Aristote Poetics 9.7

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Il arrive neanmoins fort ſouvent, que dans les Tragedies, on ſe contente d'un ou de deux noms connus, & que tous les autres font inventez. Il y a même des pieces où pas un mot n'eſt connu, comme dans la Tragedie d'Agathon, qu'il a appellée la Fleur, car dans cette piece, tous les noms ſont feints, comme les choſes, & elle ne laiſſe pas de plaire.

Poetics. Aristote. Paris. 1692.

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La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (fra) (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.)

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 9 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 9 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 9 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 9 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 9 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 9 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 9 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 9.7 focus
There are, however, some Tragedies in which one or two of the names are historical, and the rest feigned: there are even some, in which none of the names are historical; such is AGATHO's Tragedy called The Flower; for in that, all is invention, both incidents, and names; and yet it pleases.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 9.7 focus
Nevertheless, in some tragedies, there are only a few known names and the rest are fictitious and in others there are none as in the Anthos of Agatho, which does not fail to afford pleasure, though the incidents and characters are equally feigned. It need not, therefore, be an invariable rule to adhere to the received fables on which tragedies are generally founded;
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 9.7 focus
but that in some tragedies there are one or two of known names, and the rest are feigned; but in others there is no known name; as, for instance, in the Flower of Agatho. For in this tragedy, the things and the names are alike feigned, and yet it delights no less. 1
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 9 focus
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 9 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 9 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 9 focus
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Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

6. mvp-aristotle-comment-357

τῶν γενομένων ὀνομάτων ἀντέχονται comp. Evanthius De Comoedia 4, 2 (Kaibel, CGF. 1 p. 66)
omnis comoedia de fictis est argumentis; tragoedia saepe ab historica fide petitur
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The reading γενομένων has been questioned, but (as it seems to me) without sufficient reason. τὰ γενόμενα ὀνόματα are the already existing names, as fixed in history or legend ( γνώριμα b 20), in contradistinction to a newly-invented name (comp. τὰ ὀνόματα πεποίηται b 22 ), or one which, whether new or not, is arbitrarily assigned to a character by the poet ( τὰ τυχόντα ὀνόματα b 13 ) at the time of writing.

6. mvp-aristotle-comment-358

1451b16 πιθανόν (comp. πιστεύομεν in the next line) is the Greek equivalent of our modern term 'convincing', and practically synonymous with εἰκός (comp. 24, 1460 a 27 ) and ἔνδοξον ( Bon. Ind. 593 a 35 ). The word was sufficiently established to be applied even by Xenophon to a work of art which has a look of life and reality: Mem. 3. 10, 7
ὁμοιότερά τε τοῖς ἀληθινοῖς καὶ πιθανώτερα ποιεῖς φαίνεσθαι
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In 17, 1455 a 30
πιθανός
is said of a person, the poet who writes 'convincingly'.
The adv. πιθανῶς has the same sense in Aristophanes Thesm. 266
ἁνὴρ μὲν ἡμῖν οὗτοσὶ καὶ δὴ γυνὴ τὸ γ᾿ εἶδος· ἢν λαλῇς δ᾿, ὅπως τῷ φθέγματι γυναικιεῖς εὖ καὶ πιθανῶς
('play the woman well and convincingly').
1451b18
ἐνίαις see on 8, 1451 a 18 for this appositional use of the word.

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-241

9.6 Il est vray que les Poëtes Tragiques ſe ſervent des véritables nams. 1

11. mvp-aristotle-comment-242

9.6 Mais la raison de cela, est que tout ce qui eſt poſſible, eft croyable. 2

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

73. mvp-aristotle-comment-73

NOTE 73. P. 82.

9.6 WHAT HAS NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WE ARE NOT APT TO REGARD AS POSSIBLE.
This must be restricted to those extraordinary actions and events, of public and elevated personages, which usually make the subject of Tragedy. The best comment I have seen, or that, I think, can be given, on this passage, is that of Piccolomini 1 ; but it is so long, that I can only refer to it. We have, however, the substance of it in the following observation of Brumoy.
"La Tragedie ne s'est point sous-divisée" (as Comedy, he observes, had been,) "en Tragedie reelle, et Tragedie de pure imagination. Je crois en trouver la raison dans la nature de l'esprit humain. Il n'y a que la vraissemblance dont il puisse être touché. Or il n'est pas vraissemblable que des faits aussi grands que ceux de la Tragedie, des faits qui n'arrivent que dans les maisons des rois, ou dans le sein des empires, soient absolument inconnus. Si donc le Poete invente tout son sujet, jusq' aux noms, l'esprit du spectateur se revolte; tout lui paroit incroyable, et la piece manque fon effet, faute de vraissemblance. Mais comme la Comedie ne touche que la vie commune et ses ridicules, le spectateur peut supposer et suppose en effet, en se laissant aller à l'enchantement du spectacle, que le sujet qu'on lui présente est un fait réel, quoiqu' il ne le connoisse pas. Il n'en seroit pas de même, si le sujet comique avoit du merveilleux."
Theatre des Grecs, i. p. 207.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

6. mvp-aristotle-comment-68

Ritter, cap. 9 § 6

τῶν γενομένων ὀνομάτων ἀντέχονται: ὀνόματα γενόμενα sunt singulorum hominum nomina a maioribus tradita, nomina τῶν γενομένων ἀνθρώπων.