Aristotle Poetics 9.7

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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but that in some tragedies there are one or two of known names, and the rest are feigned; but in others there is no known name; as, for instance, in the Flower of Agatho. For in this tragedy, the things and the names are alike feigned, and yet it delights no less. 1

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 9 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 9 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 9 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 9 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 9 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 9 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 9 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 9.7 focus
There are, however, some Tragedies in which one or two of the names are historical, and the rest feigned: there are even some, in which none of the names are historical; such is AGATHO's Tragedy called The Flower; for in that, all is invention, both incidents, and names; and yet it pleases.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 9.7 focus
Nevertheless, in some tragedies, there are only a few known names and the rest are fictitious and in others there are none as in the Anthos of Agatho, which does not fail to afford pleasure, though the incidents and characters are equally feigned. It need not, therefore, be an invariable rule to adhere to the received fables on which tragedies are generally founded;
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 9 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 9.7 focus
Il arrive neanmoins fort ſouvent, que dans les Tragedies, on ſe contente d'un ou de deux noms connus, & que tous les autres font inventez. Il y a même des pieces où pas un mot n'eſt connu, comme dans la Tragedie d'Agathon, qu'il a appellée la Fleur, car dans cette piece, tous les noms ſont feints, comme les choſes, & elle ne laiſſe pas de plaire.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 9 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 9 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 9 focus
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Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. 8. Nor must we entirely confine ourselves to traditional fables.

Commentary

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7. mvp-aristotle-comment-359

1451b19 Ἀνθεῖ was first suggested, somewhat tentatively, by Welcker in his Gr. Tragödien p. 995 . 'The Flower' would certainly be a very strange title for a Greek tragedy. The play being on a purely fictitious story, the names also of the characters, instead of being taken over from legend or history, were fictions, and due to the choice of the poet himself. But they need not be supposed to have been new or newly-coined names. Ἀνθεύς, for instance, seems to have been known already in mythical history as the name of certain legendary personages; and not so very long after Agathon's time it was actually borne by an Athenian citizen ( Kirchner, Prosopographia Attica 953 ). In this respect, therefore, it was in just the same position as so many of the names in Comedy, Chremes, Menedemus, Phormio, and the like.
1451b23

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-360

εὐφραίνει an incidental recognition of pleasure as the immediate end of Tragedy (see 14, 1453 b 12 , and Döring, Kunstlehre des Aristoteles p. 104 ). εὐφραίνειν serves as a transitive to χαίρειν: Top. 2. 6, 112 b 21
ἔτι καὶ εἰ αὐτὸ αὐτῷ συμβεβηκὸς ἔθηκεν ὡς ἕτερον διὰ τὸ ἕτερον εἶναι ὄνομα, καθάπερ Πρόδικος διῃρεῖτο τὰς ἡδονὰς εἰς χαρὰν καὶ τέρψιν καὶ εὐφροσύνην· ταῦτα γὰρ πάντα τοῦ αὐτοῦ, τῆς ἡδονῆς, ὀνόματά ἐστιν
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εἰ οὖν τις τὸ χαίρειν τῷ εὐφραίνεσθαι φήσει συμβεβηκέναι, αὐτὸ ἂν αὐτῷ φαίη συμβεβηκέναι
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— Eth. E. 3. 2, 1231 a 6
τῶν ὀσμῶν ταύταις χαίρουσιν ὅσαι κατὰ συμβεβηκὸς εὐφραίνουσιν
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The word may describe the pleasurable effect of anything, e. g. that of a painting ( Poet. 6, 1450 a 2 ), of music ( Pol. 8. 5, 1339 b 24 ), and of odours ( Eth. E. l. c. ; Rhet. 3. 4, 1407 a 10 ).
ὥστ᾿ οὐ πάντως ἂν εἴη ζητητέον Spengel suggested that the εἶναι of the MS. should be bracketed. In these negative statements of result with ὥστε οὐ, which are so common in Aristotle, the verb is usually either in the indicative, (1) expressed or (2) understood, or (3) in the potential optative, as the following passages from the Organon may suffice to show: (1) An. pr. 1. 36, 48 a 36
ὥστε οὐκ ἔσται μέσον τοῦ ΑΒ
. — Top. 8. 11, 151 b 30
ὥστε οὐ τῷ ταῦτ᾿ εἶναι γίνεται ὁ συλλογισμός
(comp. Poet. 22, 1458 a 5 ).
(2) An. pr. 1. 32, 47 a 35
ὥστ᾿ οὐκ εἴ τι συμβαίνει τεθέντων τινῶν, πειρατέον ἀνάγειν εὐθύς
. — Top. 6. 5, 142 a 4
ὥστ᾿ οὐδὲ πρὸς τὸν αὐτὸν ἀεὶ ὁ αὐτὸς ὁρισμὸς ἀποδοτέος
(comp. Metaph. Z 12, 1038 a 12 ).
(3) An. post. 1. 12, 77 b 12
ὥστ᾿ οὐκ ἂν εἴη ἐν ἀγεωμετρήτοις περὶ γεωμετρίας διαλεκτέον
. — An. pr. 1. 16, 36 a 14
ὥστε οὐδενὶ ἢ οὐ παντὶ τῷ Γ τὸ Β ἐνδέχοιτ᾿ ἂν ὑπάρχειν
. — Top. 6. 12, 149 b 2
ὥστ᾿ οὐκ ἂν εἴη χρῶμα πυρὶ μεμιγμένον
. — Soph. el. 6, 168 b 4
ὥστ᾿ εἰ ὁ ἔλεγχος συλλογισμός τις, οὐκ ἂν εἴη ὁ κατὰ συμβεβηκὸς ἔλεγχος
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Two instances of εἶναι for ἂν εἴη are to be found in MSS. of great antiquity and value, one in Par. A of Plato ( Tim. 17 B ), and the other in Kb of the Nicomachean Ethics ( 8. 2, 1155 b 20 ). The error may have arisen either from the omission of an, a word very apt to be lost in MSS., or through ὥστ᾿ οὐ being misread and turned into ὡς τοῦ (as it has been in fact in Ac).

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

12. mvp-aristotle-comment-243

9.7 Il arrive neanmoins fort ſouvent que dans les Tragedies, on se contente d'un ou de deux noms connus, & que tous les autres font inventez. 1

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-244

9.7 Il y a mème des pieces, où pas un nom n'est connu. 2

14. mvp-aristotle-comment-245

9.7 Car dans la Tragedie d'Agathon, qu'il a appellée, la fleur. 3

15. mvp-aristotle-comment-246

9.7 Dans cette piece tous les noms font feints, comme les chofes. 4

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-69

Ritter, cap. 9 § 7

οἷον ἐν τῷ ᾿Αγάθωνος ῎Ανθει: Agathonis aetatem definivit Ritschelius in Commentationis de Agathonis vita, arte et tragoediarum reliquiis particula, edita Halis anno 1829. Aristoteles saepius eius meminit. vid. c. 15, 8. 18, 6-7. Rhetor. II, 19. p. 1392b 7. II, 24. p. 1402 a 9.