Aristotle Poetics 9.5

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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and do not, like Iambic poets, write poems about particular persons. 1

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 9 focus
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Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 9 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 9 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 9 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 9 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 9 focus
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With respect to Comedy, this is now become obvious; for here, the Poet, when he has formed his plot of probable incidents, gives to his characters whatever names he pleases; and is not, like the Iambic Poets, particular, and personal.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 9.5 focus
And this is now conspicuous in comedy, where the poets (not like the writers of satirical pieces, who introduce personal characters,) first form their fable and then add any casual names; whereas in tragedy the names of persons who have really existed are retained. And this is done be- 1
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 9 focus
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C'eſt ce qui est déja rendu ſenſible dans la Comedie, car les Poëtes comiques, aprés avoir dreſſé leur ſujet ſur la vray-ſemblance, impoſent aprés cela à leurs perſonnages tels noms qu'il leur plaît, & n'imitent pas les Poëtes ſatyriques, qui ne s'attachent qu'aux choſes particulieres.
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Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. 6. Real names retained in tragedy,

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-351

ἤδη i. e. now that the New Comedy has taken the place of the Old (see on 5, 1449 b 8 ), Comedy instead of satirizing individuals (like Cleon or Socrates) tells imaginary stories of imaginary personages labelled with imaginary names.

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-352

1451b13 διὰ τῶν εἰκότων The same use of the preposition is found in 26, 1462 a 16
δι᾿ ἧς αἱ ἡδοναὶ συνίστανται
.
It denotes the basis or chief ingredient in a compound, as it often does in later Greek, e. g. in expressions like τὸ δι᾿ ἀλόης, τὸ διὰ κολοκυνθίδος, etc. in the medical writers; comp. also Dionysius Hal. 5 p. 14 R.
διὰ γὰρ τῶν εὐτελεστάτων τε καὶ ταπεινοτάτων ὀνομάτων πέπλεκται πᾶσα ἡ λέξις
.

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-353

οὕτω the reading of Ac, is too idiomatic to be lightly surrendered (comp. Bon. Ind. 546 b 13 ). The Arabic version is said to imply not οὕτω but οὐ; the same Arabic word, however, which Dr. Margoliouth renders by nequaquam, would seem to occur also in the Arabic text in 6, 1450 a 30 , where it may be taken to represent οὔπω. One may suspect, therefore, that the Greek reading before the Syriac translator in the present passage was οὔπω, a mere corruption of οὕτω.

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-354

τὰ τυχόντα ὀνόματα Ritter has a note here on the names of the characters in the New Comedy. Aristotle's point is this. In the Old Comedy the names of the chief characters were already fixed and prescribed for the poet, because actually borne by the persons whom he wished to satirize. Socrates, Cleon, Agathon, Euripides are instances of such names in Aristophanes. But in the New Comedy the names were not thus fixed. In calling a soldier Thraso or Pyrgopolinices, for instance, the poet did not mean to satirize some actual person of that name; the name was a matter of choice or accident—invented it may be by the poet himself, or borrowed by him from his predecessors or from life. Such names may no doubt be stock-names, or have a certain conventional or etymological appropriateness as suggestive of certain types of character (comp. Dieterich, Pulcinella p. 45 ); but they obviously stand on quite a different footing from the real names in Aristophanes. Names also like Phormio, Chremes, Menedemus, etc., were in Comedy fictitious names, though outside Comedy they may have been borne by real persons (comp. on 21 ).

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-355

1451b14 ὑποτιθέασιν 'lay down as a foundation,' so that the story may look like one founded on fact (comp. 17, 1455 b 12 ).

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-356

ἰαμβοποιοί see on 4, 1448 b 27 and 5, 1449 b 8 .
1451b15

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-239

9.5 C'eſt ce qui est déja rendu ſenſible dans la Comedie, car les Poëtes Comiques, après avoir dreſſé leur ſujet fur la vray-Semblance, imposent aprés cela à leurs personnages tels noms qu'il leur plait. 1

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-240

9.5 Ils n'imitent pas les Poëtes ſatyriques, qui ne s'attachent qu'aux choses particulieres. 2

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

72. mvp-aristotle-comment-72

NOTE 72. P. 82.

9.5 IS NOT, LIKE THE IAMBIC POETS, PARTICULAR AND PERSONAL.
Ιαμβοποιοι
. Strictly, the writers of the
ψογοι
or satirical invectives that preceded Comedy. [See cap. iv. Transl. Part I. Sect. 6.] But I believe Aristotle meant here to include, at least, the authors of the first rude Comedy, "of the Iambic form—"
της ιαμβικης ιδεας
. See cap. v. Transl. Part I. Sect. 8.
It appears, that the Poem called
Ιαμβοι
, whatever it was, was represented, or acted, as well as Tragedy and the Epic: for, in his seventh book De Rep. cap. xvii. the philosopher forbids boys to be spectators of Iambi and Comedies:—
τους δε νεωτέρους οὔτ' ΙΑΜΒΩΝ, οὔτε κωμῳδίας ΘΕΑΤΑΣ νομοθετητεον, πριν η κ. τ. ἀλ.
p. 448, E.

Commentary on the Poetics (Henry James Pye, 1792) (OCR draft) (Henry James Pye's 1792 English commentary, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

9.4. mvp-aristotle-comment-25 9.5

IN TRAGEDY, THE NAMES OF PERSONS WHO HAVE REALLY EXISTED ARE RETAINED.

BESIDES the reason given by Aristotle for this, there was another very essential one on the Grecian stage. History, in the time of Sophocles and Euripides, was much confined. The Greeks confidered all nations but themselves as barbarians. A king of Scythia would have been confidered as an improper character for a tragic hero on their theatre; and to kings, and great public characters, the tragic muse of Greece was confined.
Reges atque tetrarchas HOR. • Omnia magna loquens.'- We, befides the private life tragedy, and the obfcure ages of antiquity, with which we may take what liberty we please, have an ample fource of domestic fiction in the Saxon heptarchy, where we may form imaginary Ofwalds and Edgars ufurpers, or kings of Mercia and Northumberland at our pleasure; but the history of the fabulous ages of Greece was the most popular of any. It was, indeed, confecrated as the origin of the national religion; and the introduction of a new hero, or demigod, would have been esteemed a fort of profanation. Admitting the rule, that public events, are the only proper objects of tragic imitation, the reasoning of Le Pere Brumoy is perfectly just. • It is not probable that events of such magnitude as those of tragedy, * events which can only happen in the palaces of kings, or the bosom • of
• of empires, should be absolutely unknown. If then, the poet invents • all his subject, even as far as the names, the mind of the spectators ' will revolt, all will appear incredible, and the piece will fail in its • effect for want of probability.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-67

Ritter, cap. 9 § 5

ἐπὶ μὲν οὖν τῆς κωμῳδίας ἤδη τοῦτο δῆλον γέγονεν: comoedia usque ad aetatem Aristotelis duas praecipue formas assumpserat, quarum priorem antiquam ( τὴν παλαιάν), alteram mediam ( τὴν μέσην) grammaticorum veterum exemplo appellamus. tertia, quam novam ( τὴν νέαν) Graeci grammatici vocant, nondum orta erat, cum Aristoteles haec scriberet, sed sub mortem eius in eo erat ut Philemonis et Menandri opera oreretur. nova comoedia tam nominibus quam argumentis τὰ καθόλου semper secuta est, media plerumque idem fecit. antiqua quae fere singulos homines notavit, eatenus τὰ καθ' ἕκαστον probasse dici potest, quamquam argumenta eius et ipsa τὰ καθόλου sectata sunt. ex antiquis comoediae scriptoribus Crates primus ἰαμβικὴν ἰδέαν omisit et fabulas δι' εἰκότων composuit. vid. c. 5, 3. eandem viam ingressus est Pherecrates Aristophanis aequalis et sub finem vitae (01. 97, 4) ipse Aristophanes editis Pluto altero et Aeolosicone et Cocalo. Aristoteles igitur eam comoediam h. 1. intelligere videtur quae inde ab Olympiade 97 usque ad suam aetatem obtinuit. conf. Ethic. Nicom. IV, 14 med. ἴδοι δ᾽ ἄν τις καὶ ἐκ τῶν κωμῳδιῶν τῶν παλαιῶν καὶ τῶν καινῶν (per καινὰς h. 1. mediae comoediae quam grammatici statuunt fabulae significantur)· τοῖς μὲν γὰρ ἦν γελοῖον ἡ αἰσχρολογία, τοῖς δὲ μᾶλλον ἡ ὑπόνοια. τὰ τυχόντα ὀνόματα ὑποτιθέασι: τὰ τυχόντα ὀνόματα ea sunt nomina quae pro arbitrio personis suis poeta subiicit: opponuntur enim nominibus ab historia sive vera sive fabulosa traditis, quae non sunt τυχόντα sed traditione definita ¹). sunt eiusmodi nomina Pamphilus, Charinus, Chremes, Chaerea, Phaedria, - Traso, Artotrogus, Gnatho, - Parmeno, Dromo, - Philumena, Glycerium cet. haec nomina comoediarum scriptores personis suis ita adplicant sive subiciunt, ut nomina moribus respondeant. nomen morale simul est generale: denotat enim non τόδε ἀλλὰ τοιόνδε, eiusmodi nomina in nova comoedia (h. e. in ea quam Aristoteles respicere nondum potuit) erant omnia, in media pleraque, in antiqua non pauca.