Homer Iliad 11.616

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He spake. Patroclus hearkened to his friend,
And hastened to the Grecian tents and ships.
Now when they reached the tent of Neleus' son,
The warriors in the chariot set their feet
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Upon the nourishing earth. Eurymedon,
The old man's charioteer, took from the mares
Their harness; while the chieftains cooled themselves,
And dried their sweaty garments in the breeze,
Facing the border of the sea, and then,
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Entering the tent of Nestor, sat them down
On couches. Hecamedé, bright of hair,
Prepared for them a mingled draught; the maid,
A daughter of the great Arsinoüs, came
From Tenedos with Nestor, when the town
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Was ravaged by Achilles, and the Greeks
Gave her to Nestor, chosen from the rest
For him, as wisest of their counsellors.
First she drew forth a table fairly wrought,
Of polished surface, and with steel-blue feet,
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And on it placed a brazen tray which bore
A thirst-provoking omen, - honeycomb,
And sacred meal of wheat. Near these she set
A noble beaker which the ancient chief
Had brought from home, embossed with studs of gold.
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Four were its handles, and each handle showed
Two golden turtles feeding, while below
Two others formed the base. Another hand
Could scarce have raised that beaker from its place,
But Nestor lifted it with ease. The maid,
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Fair as a goddess, mingled Pramnian wine,
And grated o'er it, with a rasp of brass,
A goat's-milk cheese, and, sprinkling the white flour
Upon it, bade them drink. With this they quenched
Their parching thirst, and then amused the time
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With pleasant talk. Patroclus to the door
Meantime, a godlike presence, came, and stood.
The old man, as he saw him, instantly
Rose from his princely seat and seized his hand,
And led him in and bade him sit; but he
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Refused the proffered courtesy, and said : -
"Nay, 't is no time to sit: persuade me not,
Nursling of Jove; for he is to be feared,
And prone to wrath, who sent me to inquire
What wounded man is with thee; but I know, -
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Now that I see Machaon sitting here,
The shepherd of the people. I must haste
Back to Achilles, bearing my report.
Thou knowest, ancient chief, how quick he is
To take offence and blame the innocent."
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Iliad. Homer. Boston. 1870.

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Ἰλιάς Perseus (Homer. Homeri Opera, Volumes 1-2. Monro, D. B. (David Binning), editor; Allen, Thomas W. (Thomas William), editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1908-1920.) — 11.616 focus
Translations (8)
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad, Volume 1-2. Murray, A. T. (Augustus Taber), translator. London: William Heinmann; New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1924-1925.) — 11.616 focus
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad of Homer, rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original. Butler, Samuel, 1835-1902, translator. London: Longmans, Green, and Co, 1898.) — 11.575 focus
English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020)) — 11.616 focus
Patroklos did as his dear comrade had bidden him, and set off running by the ships and tents of the Achaeans.
English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857)) — 11.616 focus
The hero said. His friend obey'd with haste;
Through intermingled ships and tents he pass'd;
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The chiefs descending from their car he found;
The panting steeds Eurymedon unbound.
The warriors, standing on the breezy shore,
To dry their sweat, and wash away the gore,
Here paus'd a moment, while the gentle gale
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Convey'd that freshness the cool seas exhale;
Then to consult on farther methods went,
And took their seats beneath the shady tent.
The draught prescrib'd fair Hecamede prepares,
Arsinous' daughter, grac'd with golden hairs;
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(Whom to his aged arms, a royal slave,
Greece, as the prize of Nestor's wisdom, gave;)
A table first with azure feet she plac'd;
Whose ample orb a brazen charger grac'd:
Honey new press'd, the sacred flower of wheat,
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And wholesome garlics crown'd the savoury treat.
English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843)) — 11.616 focus
English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857)) — 11.616 focus
English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey)) — 11.616 focus
English (F. W. Newman, 1856) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (F. W. Newman, 1856)) — 11 focus

New Alexandria Commentaries

Douglas Frame

Nestor’s story in this passage in the Iliad as his myth

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citation of Nestor’s traditional story

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analysis of the battle and Nestor’s earning his epithet hippota

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analysis of the battle and Nestor’s earning his epithet hippota

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the creation of realistic distances in the expansion of Nestor’s story (locating Pylos in Triphylia, using Alpheios to break up the action to realistic stages)

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comparison of the geography in I.02.617 with that in this verse (esp. regarding Alēsion in the two passages)

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analysis of the location of the Olenian Rock and other features of the geography in the passage and I.2

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Bölte’s argument for the location of the landmarks in this verse to make it plausible that Nestor and the Pylians would have been able to cover it in a one day rout of the Epeians

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the creation of realistic distances in the expansion of Nestor’s story (locating Pylos in Triphylia, using Alpheios to break up the action to realistic stages) – Cantieni’s effect of the third expansion of Nestor’s story (these verses)

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analysis of Nestor as a possible type of Nehélāwos, “he who brings the war-folk safely home.” However, argues that name’s relation to nóos “indicates that he is deeply traditional figure, whose roots go back to a time when the relation between nóos and néomai was still perceived

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analysis of the battle and Nestor’s earning his epithet hippota

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analysis of Nestor’s account of the battle as cast in terms of a chariot race

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analysis of Nestor’s parallel to Zeus’ status among gods to his status among men. Suggests that Nestor’s apparent “immortality” is a remnant of his possible former mythological status as a god

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comment on and reasons for Nestor’s disbelief at his own story

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analysis of the parallels and contrasts between Nestor and Patroclus (and the twin myth)

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example of the contrast between Achilles’ bíē and the greater age and superior counsel of Patroclus. Compare to Il. XIX.216

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analysis of Patroclus and Achilles, and Nestor’s advice to Patroclus, in terms of the twin myth (Patroclus either to bring Achilles back to fighting/back to life, or to take his place)

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analysis of Patroclus and Achilles, and Nestor’s advice to Patroclus, in terms of the twin myth (Patroclus either to bring Achilles back to fighting/back to life, or to take his place)

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analysis of the parallels and contrasts between Nestor and Patroclus (and the twin myth)

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analysis of Patroclus and Achilles, and Nestor’s advice to Patroclus, in terms of the twin myth (Patroclus either to bring Achilles back to fighting/back to life, or to take his place)

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Gregory Nagy

Rhapsody 11 marks the point in the Iliad where Patroklos is drawn into a fatal pattern of impersonating Achilles. Pivotal is the story that Patroklos hears from the old hero Nestor. My comments here on Iliad 11 work around Nestor’s story at I.11.670–803 as analyzed in the book Hippota Nestor by Douglas Frame, 2009:105–130.

draft js image errorNestor and his sons sacrifice to Poseidon. Attic red-figure calyx-krater, ca. 400–380 BCE. © Marie-Lan Nguyen / Wikimedia Commons, via Wikimedia Commons.

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In the course of this lengthy narrative, I.11.671-761, the idea of a ‘gate’ of the Sun is linked with Nestor’s Pylos and with the underworldly Pylos of I.05.397. See also the comment at I.05.395–404.

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To ‘strive to be the best always’, that was the instruction of Peleus to his son Achilles, and this instruction is relevant to the title ‘best of the Achaeans’ as claimed by the figure of Achilles.

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Conventionally, the heroic superiority of Achilles is measured in terms of his biē ‘force, violence, strength’. See the comment on I.09.346–352.

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Leonard Muellner

example of the freedom of eukhetaasthai as against the restrictions of eukhesthai (used with ‘man’ in dative)

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Richard Martin

The advice that Patroklos is to deliver to Achilles is designated a pukinon epos: "tell him well a pukinon epos and instruct and give him directions" (11.788-89). This kind of discourse is language one can personally "keep"—or fail to keep, as is the case when Patroklos forgets Achilles' personal warning (16.686-87): "If he had guarded the epos of the son of Peleus, he would have fled the evil fate of black death." (Martin 1993:35).

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Even in his long reminiscence during his final muthos of command, Nestor depicts himself as an authority (11.781-90). He frames the speech to Patroklos on the basis of his own biography, and within the speech alludes to a previous rhetorical success—the original recruitment of Patroklos and Achilles for the war. Although Odysseus was also present in Phthia that day, it was Nestor (so he says) who "began the muthos" (11.781). The formulaic variation here, to the rarer use of the singular of the word for speech, might imply that Nestor's performance did not face any counter-speeches. Nestor selects the one detail from the alleged "instructions" of Peleus that contrasts most with his own recapitulation of advice by Patroklos' father, suggesting that the companion of Achilles should instruct and guide him (11.786-90). The older man uses his muthos to praise Patroklos, thereby constructing an image of the role he is supposed to play. As with Zeus' speeches to Hera and Thetis in Book 24, Homer has supplied enough detail to make an audience appreciate the possibilities for fictional presentation within authoritative speechmaking (Martin 1993:61-62).

For the broader analysis of Nestor as master of the memory genre, see the comment on Iliad 1.259-274.

References

Martin, R. P. 1993. The Language of Heroes: Speech and Performance in the Iliad. Ithaca.

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