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To such a city, then, or constitution I apply the terms good 1 and right—and to the corresponding kind of man; but the others I describe as bad and mistaken, if this one is right, in respect both to the administration of states and to the formation 2 of the character of the individual soul, they falling under four forms of badness. What are these, he said. And I was going on 3 to enumerate them in what seemed to me the order of their evolution 4 449b from one another, when Polemarchus—he sat at some little distance 5 from Adeimantus—stretched forth his hand, and, taking hold of his garment 6 from above by the shoulder, drew the other toward him and, leaning forward himself, spoke a few words in his ear, of which we overheard nothing 7 else save only this, Shall we let him off, 8 then, he said, or what shall we do? By no means, said Adeimantus, now raising his voice. What, pray, 9 said I, is it that you are not letting off? You, 449c said he. And for what reason, pray? said I. We think you are a slacker, he said, and are trying to cheat 10 us out of a whole division, 11 and that not the least, of the argument to avoid the trouble of expounding it, and expect to get away with it by observing thus lightly that, of course, in respect to women and children it is obvious to everybody that the possessions of friends will be in common. 12 Well, isn’t that right, Adeimantus? I said. Yes, said he, but this word right, 13 like other things, requires defining 14 as to the way 15 and manner of such a community. There might be many ways. Don’t, then, pass over the one 449d that you 16 have in mind. For we have long been lying in wait for you, expecting that you would say something both of the procreation of children and their bringing up, 17 and would explain the whole matter of the community of women and children of which you speak. We think that the right or wrong management of this makes a great difference, all the difference in the world, 18 in the constitution of a state;
To such a city, then, or constitution I apply the terms good 1 and right—and to the corresponding kind of man; but the others I describe as bad and mistaken, if this one is right, in respect both to the administration of states and to the formation 2 of the character of the individual soul, they falling under four forms of badness. What are these, he said. And I was going on 3 to enumerate them in what seemed to me the order of their evolution 4 449b from one another, when Polemarchus—he sat at some little distance 5 from Adeimantus—stretched forth his hand, and, taking hold of his garment 6 from above by the shoulder, drew the other toward him and, leaning forward himself, spoke a few words in his ear, of which we overheard nothing 7 else save only this, Shall we let him off, 8 then, he said, or what shall we do? By no means, said Adeimantus, now raising his voice. What, pray, 9 said I, is it that you are not letting off? You, 449c said he. And for what reason, pray? said I. We think you are a slacker, he said, and are trying to cheat 10 us out of a whole division, 11 and that not the least, of the argument to avoid the trouble of expounding it, and expect to get away with it by observing thus lightly that, of course, in respect to women and children it is obvious to everybody that the possessions of friends will be in common. 12 Well, isn’t that right, Adeimantus? I said. Yes, said he, but this word right, 13 like other things, requires defining 14 as to the way 15 and manner of such a community. There might be many ways. Don’t, then, pass over the one 449d that you 16 have in mind. For we have long been lying in wait for you, expecting that you would say something both of the procreation of children and their bringing up, 17 and would explain the whole matter of the community of women and children of which you speak. We think that the right or wrong management of this makes a great difference, all the difference in the world, 18 in the constitution of a state;
Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.
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