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Δίκαιος Λόγος

χώρει δευρί, δεῖξον σαυτὸν

τοῖσι θεαταῖς, καίπερ θρασὺς ὤν.
890

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ἴθʼ ὅποι χρῄζεις. πολὺ γὰρ μᾶλλόν ʼς

ἐν τοῖς πολλοῖσι λέγων ἀπολῶ.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ἀπολεῖς σύ; τίς ὤν;

Ἄδικος Λόγος

λόγος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ἥττων γʼ ὤν.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ἀλλά σε νικῶ τὸν ἐμοῦ κρείττω

φάσκοντʼ εἶναι.
895

Δίκαιος Λόγος

τί σοφὸν ποιῶν;

Ἄδικος Λόγος

γνώμας καινὰς ἐξευρίσκων.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ταῦτα γὰρ ἀνθεῖ διὰ τουτουσὶ

τοὺς ἀνοήτους.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

οὔκ, ἀλλὰ σοφούς.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ἀπολῶ σε κακῶς.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

εἰπὲ τί ποιῶν;
900

Δίκαιος Λόγος

τὰ δίκαια λέγων.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ἀλλʼ ἀνατρέψω γʼ αὔτʼ ἀντιλέγων·

οὐδὲ γὰρ εἶναι πάνυ φημὶ δίκην.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

οὐκ εἶναι φῄς;

Ἄδικος Λόγος

φέρε γὰρ ποῦ ʼστιν;

Δίκαιος Λόγος

παρὰ τοῖσι θεοῖς.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

πῶς δῆτα δίκης οὔσης ὁ Ζεὺς

οὐκ ἀπόλωλεν τὸν πατέρʼ αὑτοῦ
905

δήσας;

Δίκαιος Λόγος

αἰβοῖ τουτὶ καὶ δὴ

χωρεῖ τὸ κακόν· δότε μοι λεκάνην.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

τυφογέρων εἶ κἀνάρμοστος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

καταπύγων εἶ κἀναίσχυντος.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ῥόδα μʼ εἴρηκας.
910

Δίκαιος Λόγος

καὶ βωμολόχος.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

κρίνεσι στεφανοῖς.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

καὶ πατραλοίας.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

χρυσῷ πάττων μʼ οὐ γιγνώσκεις.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

οὐ δῆτα πρὸ τοῦ γʼ, ἀλλὰ μολύβδῳ.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

νῦν δέ γε κόσμος τοῦτʼ ἐστὶν ἐμοί.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

θρασὺς εἶ πολλοῦ.
915

Ἄδικος Λόγος

σὺ δέ γʼ ἀρχαῖος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

διὰ σὲ δὲ φοιτᾶν

οὐδεὶς ἐθέλει τῶν μειρακίων·

καὶ γνωσθήσει ποτʼ Ἀθηναίοις

οἶα διδάσκεις τοὺς ἀνοήτους.

Clouds. Aristophanes. ed. F. W. Hall, ed. William M. Geldart. Oxford. 1906.

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Νεφέλαι (Greek) (Aristophanes. Aristophanis Comoediae, Vol. 1. Hall, F. W. and Geldart, William M., editors. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1906.)

Translations (2)

Clouds Perseus (Aristophanes. The Comedies of Aristophanes, Vol. I. Hickie, William James, translator. Bohn: London, 1853.) — 889 focus

Exit Strepsiades and enter Just Cause and Unjust Cause.

Just Cause.

Come hither! Show yourself to the spectators, although being audacious.

Unjust Cause.

Go whither you please; for I shall far rather do for you, if I speak before a crowd.

Just Cause.

You destroy me? Who are you?

Unjust Cause.

A cause.

Just Cause.

Ay, the worse.

Unjust Cause.

But I conquer you, who say that you are better than I.

Just Cause.

By doing what clever trick?

Unjust Cause.

By discovering new contrivances.

Just Cause.

For these innovations flourish by the favour of these silly persons.

Unjust Cause.

No; but wise persons.

Just Cause.

I will destroy you miserably.

Unjust Cause.

Tell me, by doing what?
900

Just Cause.

By speaking what is just.

Unjust Cause.

But I will overturn them by contradicting them; for I deny that justice even exists at all.

Just Cause.

Do you deny that it exists?

Unjust Cause.

For come, where is it?

Just Cause.

With the gods.

Unjust Cause.

How, then, if justice exists, has Jupiter not perished, who bound his own father?

Just Cause.

Bah! This profanity now is spreading! Give me a basin.

Unjust Cause.

You are a dotard and absurd.

Just Cause.

You are debauched and shameless.

Unjust Cause.

You have spoken roses of me.
910

Just Cause.

And a dirty lickspittle.

Unjust Cause.

You crown me with lilies.

Just Cause.

And a parricide.

Unjust Cause.

You don’t know that you are sprinkling me with gold.

Just Cause.

Certainly not so formerly, but with lead.

Unjust Cause.

But now this is an ornament to me.

Just Cause.

You are very impudent.
915

Unjust Cause.

And you are antiquated.

Just Cause.

And through you, no one of our youths is willing to go to school; and you will be found out some time or other by the Athenians, what sort of doctrines you teach the simple-minded.

English (Sanjaya, generated; selected passages) (OCR draft) Experimental (Source: pnadelofficial/aristophanes-sanjaya, commit c319590c139e5603e71f0699caa0663d823af8ad. Machine-generated source annotations retained; see Sanjaya import audit for coverage and limitations.) — 889 focus

Just Argument: go over here, show yourself

Just Argument: to the spectators, even though bold.

890

Unjust Speech: Come, wherever you need. For much more indeed...

Unjust Argument: speaking among the many, I will destroy.

Just Argument: you will be destroyed? Who are you?

Unjust Speech: speech.

Just Argument: being weaker.

Unjust Argument: but I conquer you, one superior to mine.

Unjust Speech: claiming to be.

895

Just Argument: What wise thing am I doing?

Unjust Speech: discovering new ideas.

Just Argument: for these things bloom through these men.

Just Argument: the foolish ones.

Unjust Argument: Not so, but rather wise.

Just Argument: I will destroy you badly.

Unjust Speech: say what [you do]?

900

Just Argument: speaking just things.

Unjust Argument: but I shall overturn them, arguing in opposition;

Unjust Speech: for I do not even say that justice exists at all.

Just Argument: you say it is not right?

Unjust Logos: Come, then, where is it?

Just Argument: [it is] with the gods.

Unjust Speech: so how is Zeus, when justice exists?

Unjust Speech: he has not destroyed his father.

905

Unjust Argument: having bound?

Just Argument: by Zeus, this forsooth

Just Argument: the evil is leaving; give me a basin.

Unjust Speech: you are a blustering old man and ill-fitted.

Just Argument: you are a puncher and shameless.

Unjust Speech: You have spoken roses to me.

910

Just Argument: and a buffoon.

Unjust Speech: with garlands.

Just Argument: and of those who are ungrateful to their fathers.

Unjust Argument: You do not recognize that I am superior to you in gold.

Just Argument: No, indeed, not before, but with lead.

Unjust Argument: And now, however, this is the world for me.

Just Argument: you are bold for much.

915

Unjust Speech: but you are old.

Just Argument: but on account of you I shall go to school.

Just Argument: no one of the youths wants to.

Just Argument: and he will be known to the Athenians at some time.

Just Argument: such things you teach the foolish.

Commentary

Commentary (Sanjaya, generated; selected passages) (OCR draft) (Source: pnadelofficial/aristophanes-sanjaya, commit c319590c139e5603e71f0699caa0663d823af8ad. Machine-generated source annotations retained; see Sanjaya import audit for coverage and limitations.) focus

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Line 911b

καὶ πατραλοίας.

The term πατραλοίας (patraloias) is a hapax legomenon in the surviving corpus of Aristophanes, appearing only here in Clouds (line 1027). Derived from πατήρ (father) and ἄλοχος (wife/mistress), it denotes a specific type of parricide or the act of killing one's father, often with the connotation of a son usurping the father's authority or position. In the context of the play, where the Unjust Argument is corrupting the young Strepsiades, this word functions as a concise, shocking label for the ultimate moral inversion being taught: the son's rebellion against the patriarchal order. Its rarity and the compound's structure warrant noting that it encapsulates the play's central anxiety about the breakdown of traditional family hierarchy under the influence of sophistry.

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Δίκαιος Λόγος χώρει δευρί, δεῖξον σαυτὸν τοῖσι θεαταῖς, καίπερ θρασὺς ὤν. 890

Ἄδικος Λόγος ἴθʼ ὅποι χρῄζεις. πολὺ γὰρ μᾶλλόν ʼς ἐν τοῖς πολλοῖσι λέγων ἀπολῶ.

Δίκαιος Λόγος ἀπολεῖς σύ; τίς ὤν;

Ἄδικος Λόγος λόγος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος ἥττων γʼ ὤν.

Ἄδικος Λόγος ἀλλά σε νικῶ τὸν ἐμοῦ κρείττω φάσκοντʼ εἶναι. 895

Δίκαιος Λόγος τί σοφὸν ποιῶν;

Ἄδικος Λόγος γνώμας καινὰς ἐξευρίσκων.

Δίκαιος Λόγος ταῦτα γὰρ ἀνθεῖ διὰ τουτουσὶ τοὺς ἀνοήτους.

Ἄδικος Λόγος οὔκ, ἀλλὰ σοφούς.

Δίκαιος Λόγος ἀπολῶ σε κακῶς.

Ἄδικος Λόγος εἰπὲ τί ποιῶν; 900

Δίκαιος Λόγος τὰ δίκαια λέγων.

Ἄδικος Λόγος ἀλλʼ ἀνατρέψω γʼ αὔτʼ ἀντιλέγων· οὐδὲ γὰρ εἶναι πάνυ φημὶ δίκην.

Δίκαιος Λόγος οὐκ εἶναι φῄς;

Ἄδικος Λόγος φέρε γὰρ ποῦ ʼστιν;

Δίκαιος Λόγος παρὰ τοῖσι θεοῖς.

Ἄδικος Λόγος πῶς δῆτα δίκης οὔσης ὁ Ζεὺς οὐκ ἀπόλωλεν τὸν πατέρʼ αὑτοῦ 905 δήσας;

Δίκαιος Λόγος αἰβοῖ τουτὶ καὶ δὴ χωρεῖ τὸ κακόν· δότε μοι λεκάνην.

Ἄδικος Λόγος τυφογέρων εἶ κἀνάρμοστος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος καταπύγων εἶ κἀναίσχυντος.

Ἄδικος Λόγος ῥόδα μʼ εἴρηκας. 910

Δίκαιος Λόγος καὶ βωμολόχος.

Ἄδικος Λόγος κρίνεσι στεφανοῖς.

Δίκαιος Λόγος καὶ πατραλοίας.

Ἄδικος Λόγος χρυσῷ πάττων μʼ οὐ γιγνώσκεις.

Δίκαιος Λόγος οὐ δῆτα πρὸ τοῦ γʼ, ἀλλὰ μολύβδῳ.

Ἄδικος Λόγος νῦν δέ γε κόσμος τοῦτʼ ἐστὶν ἐμοί.

Δίκαιος Λόγος θρασὺς εἶ πολλοῦ. 915

Ἄδικος Λόγος σὺ δέ γʼ ἀρχαῖος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος διὰ σὲ δὲ φοιτᾶν οὐδεὶς ἐθέλει τῶν μειρακίων· καὶ γνωσθήσει ποτʼ Ἀθηναίοις οἶα διδάσκεις τοὺς ἀνοήτους.

Current edition Perseus

Just Cause. Come hither! Show yourself to the spectators, although being audacious.

Unjust Cause. Go whither you please; for I shall far rather do for you, if I speak before a crowd.

Just Cause. You destroy me? Who are you?

Unjust Cause. A cause.

Just Cause. Ay, the worse.

Unjust Cause. But I conquer you, who say that you are better than I.

Just Cause. By doing what clever trick?

Unjust Cause. By discovering new contrivances.

Just Cause. For these innovations flourish by the favour of these silly persons.

Unjust Cause. No; but wise persons.

Just Cause. I will destroy you miserably.

Unjust Cause. Tell me, by doing what? 900

Just Cause. By speaking what is just.

Unjust Cause. But I will overturn them by contradicting them; for I deny that justice even exists at all.

Just Cause. Do you deny that it exists?

Unjust Cause. For come, where is it?

Just Cause. With the gods.

Unjust Cause. How, then, if justice exists, has Jupiter not perished, who bound his own father?

Just Cause. Bah! This profanity now is spreading! Give me a basin.

Unjust Cause. You are a dotard and absurd.

Just Cause. You are debauched and shameless.

Unjust Cause. You have spoken roses of me. 910

Just Cause. And a dirty lickspittle.

Unjust Cause. You crown me with lilies.

Just Cause. And a parricide.

Unjust Cause. You don’t know that you are sprinkling me with gold.

Just Cause. Certainly not so formerly, but with lead.

Unjust Cause. But now this is an ornament to me.

Just Cause. You are very impudent. 915

Unjust Cause. And you are antiquated.

Just Cause. And through you, no one of our youths is willing to go to school; and you will be found out some time or other by the Athenians, what sort of doctrines you teach the simple-minded.

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Δίκαιος Λόγος

χώρει δευρί, δεῖξον σαυτὸν

τοῖσι θεαταῖς, καίπερ θρασὺς ὤν.
890

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ἴθʼ ὅποι χρῄζεις. πολὺ γὰρ μᾶλλόν ʼς

ἐν τοῖς πολλοῖσι λέγων ἀπολῶ.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ἀπολεῖς σύ; τίς ὤν;

Ἄδικος Λόγος

λόγος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ἥττων γʼ ὤν.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ἀλλά σε νικῶ τὸν ἐμοῦ κρείττω

φάσκοντʼ εἶναι.
895

Δίκαιος Λόγος

τί σοφὸν ποιῶν;

Ἄδικος Λόγος

γνώμας καινὰς ἐξευρίσκων.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ταῦτα γὰρ ἀνθεῖ διὰ τουτουσὶ

τοὺς ἀνοήτους.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

οὔκ, ἀλλὰ σοφούς.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

ἀπολῶ σε κακῶς.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

εἰπὲ τί ποιῶν;
900

Δίκαιος Λόγος

τὰ δίκαια λέγων.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ἀλλʼ ἀνατρέψω γʼ αὔτʼ ἀντιλέγων·

οὐδὲ γὰρ εἶναι πάνυ φημὶ δίκην.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

οὐκ εἶναι φῄς;

Ἄδικος Λόγος

φέρε γὰρ ποῦ ʼστιν;

Δίκαιος Λόγος

παρὰ τοῖσι θεοῖς.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

πῶς δῆτα δίκης οὔσης ὁ Ζεὺς

οὐκ ἀπόλωλεν τὸν πατέρʼ αὑτοῦ
905

δήσας;

Δίκαιος Λόγος

αἰβοῖ τουτὶ καὶ δὴ

χωρεῖ τὸ κακόν· δότε μοι λεκάνην.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

τυφογέρων εἶ κἀνάρμοστος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

καταπύγων εἶ κἀναίσχυντος.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

ῥόδα μʼ εἴρηκας.
910

Δίκαιος Λόγος

καὶ βωμολόχος.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

κρίνεσι στεφανοῖς.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

καὶ πατραλοίας.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

χρυσῷ πάττων μʼ οὐ γιγνώσκεις.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

οὐ δῆτα πρὸ τοῦ γʼ, ἀλλὰ μολύβδῳ.

Ἄδικος Λόγος

νῦν δέ γε κόσμος τοῦτʼ ἐστὶν ἐμοί.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

θρασὺς εἶ πολλοῦ.
915

Ἄδικος Λόγος

σὺ δέ γʼ ἀρχαῖος.

Δίκαιος Λόγος

διὰ σὲ δὲ φοιτᾶν

οὐδεὶς ἐθέλει τῶν μειρακίων·

καὶ γνωσθήσει ποτʼ Ἀθηναίοις

οἶα διδάσκεις τοὺς ἀνοήτους.

Just Cause.

Come hither! Show yourself to the spectators, although being audacious.

Unjust Cause.

Go whither you please; for I shall far rather do for you, if I speak before a crowd.

Just Cause.

You destroy me? Who are you?

Unjust Cause.

A cause.

Just Cause.

Ay, the worse.

Unjust Cause.

But I conquer you, who say that you are better than I.

Just Cause.

By doing what clever trick?

Unjust Cause.

By discovering new contrivances.

Just Cause.

For these innovations flourish by the favour of these silly persons.

Unjust Cause.

No; but wise persons.

Just Cause.

I will destroy you miserably.

Unjust Cause.

Tell me, by doing what?
900

Just Cause.

By speaking what is just.

Unjust Cause.

But I will overturn them by contradicting them; for I deny that justice even exists at all.

Just Cause.

Do you deny that it exists?

Unjust Cause.

For come, where is it?

Just Cause.

With the gods.

Unjust Cause.

How, then, if justice exists, has Jupiter not perished, who bound his own father?

Just Cause.

Bah! This profanity now is spreading! Give me a basin.

Unjust Cause.

You are a dotard and absurd.

Just Cause.

You are debauched and shameless.

Unjust Cause.

You have spoken roses of me.
910

Just Cause.

And a dirty lickspittle.

Unjust Cause.

You crown me with lilies.

Just Cause.

And a parricide.

Unjust Cause.

You don’t know that you are sprinkling me with gold.

Just Cause.

Certainly not so formerly, but with lead.

Unjust Cause.

But now this is an ornament to me.

Just Cause.

You are very impudent.
915

Unjust Cause.

And you are antiquated.

Just Cause.

And through you, no one of our youths is willing to go to school; and you will be found out some time or other by the Athenians, what sort of doctrines you teach the simple-minded.