Aristotle Poetics 21.9

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 21 focus
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Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 21 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 21 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 21 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 21 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 21 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 21.9 focus
2. From species to genus: as, - to Ulysses, A THOUSAND generous deeds we owe- 1 . For a thousand is a certain definite many, which is here used for many, in general.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 21.9 focus
From species to genus, such as .
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 21 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 21.9 focus
La metaphore de l'eſpece au genre, comme dans cet endroit du même Poëte: Certainement Ulyſſe a fait dix mille bonnes actions, car il met dix mille pour beaucoup.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 21 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 21 focus
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Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-763

δὴ μυρί᾽ Ὀδυσσεὺς κτέ.: Il. 2, 272 .

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-764

ἀπ᾿ εἴδους: Rhet. 3. 11, 1413a14
καὶ αἱ παροιμίαι μεταφοραὶ ἀπ᾿ εἴδους ἐπ᾿ εἶδός εἰσιν· οἷον ἄν τις ὡς ἀγαθὸν πεισόμενος αὐτὸς ἐπαγά-
γηται εἶτα βλαβῇ ὡς ὁ Καρπάθιός φησι τὸν λαγώ. ἄμφω γὰρ τὸ εἰρημένον πεπόνθασιν.
See Rhet. 3. 10, 1410 b 14 and 11, 1411b 26 for other instances of this description.
The two quotations in the text, which have been supposed to be fragments either of some epic poet ( Kinkel, EGF. p. 72) or of a parodist ( Brandt, Parod. gr. rel. p. 112), were probably both of them from the Καθαρμοί of Empedocles. The second, τεμὼν ἀτειρέι χαλκῷ, is, as Vahlen has pointed out, identical with part of the Empedoclean line (fr. 143 Diels), preserved by Theo Smyrnaeus: Arithm. p. 20 Gelder (=p. 15 Hiller)
η̂ των͂ πολιτικῶν [Πλατωνικῶν Hiller] λόγων παράδοσις τὸ μὲν πρῶτον έχει καθαρμόν τινα ... ὁ μὲν γὰρ Ἐμπεδοκλῆς κρηνάων ἄπο πέντ᾿ ἀνιμῶντά φησιν ἀτειρέι χαλκῷ δεῖν ἀπορρύπτεσθαι, ὁ δὲ Πλάτων ἀπὸ πέντε μαθημάτων δεῖν φησι ποιεῖσθαι τὴν κάθαρσιν.
The exact form of the verse of Empedocles is perhaps irrecoverable, but it is not difficult to see that Theo's ἀνιμῶντα is a prosaic substitute for the τεμὼν preserved by Aristotle (comp. Diels, Hermes15, 173 ). ἀτειρής—a favourite epithet with Empedocles ( v. Diels, Index p. 232)—is a reminiscence of Homer. The same may be said also of χαλκός, if it meant, as it probably did in Empedocles ( v. Bullialdus ad loc. p. 128 ed. Gelder), a brazen urn, such as was used in certain rites. Aristotle elsewhere refers to Empedocles in a way which implies that his poems might be assumed to be familiar to every one ( v. on b 24). As he regards him as a master of metaphor ( μεταφορικός fr. 70; see on 1, 1447b18 ), there is a special propriety in his quoting instances of metaphor from the writings of Empedocles.
ἀφελεῖν τι. The recent interpreters seem to agree in supposing this to mean 'a kind of removing' ( auferre aliquod in Lat.), though a very different view was taken of it by Victorius, Heinsius, Goulston, Tyrwhitt, Hermann, and Ritter, who represent it by auferre aliquid or auferre quiddam. The now usual rendering implies that the infinitive is treated as an ordinary substantive, with the indefinite pronoun attached to it in the same way as in ἡδονή τις, γένεσίς τις, and the like. There is no recorded instance of this construction in classical Greek. In the parallels in the Sophistici Elenchi ( 22, 178b12 sqq. ) the τι in ποιεῖν τι, πάσχειν τι, and αἰσθάνεσθαί τι is assuredly (as Pacius saw) the object after these verbs. Aristotle's assumption is that a generic may be supplanted by a specific term, when it comes to be applied to a special kind of object. Thus ἑστάναι, said of a ship, is supplanted by ὁρμεῖν, and ἀφελεῖν, said of water, by ἀρύσαι. If he had had the instance cited in b 27 before him here, he might very well have said τὸ σπείρειν ἀφιέναι τί ἐστι where the τι would have represented the accusative, τὸν καρπόν, of the later passage.

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

12. mvp-aristotle-comment-496

21.9 12. La metaphore de l'eſpece au genre, comme dans cet endroit du même Poëte, certainement Vlyſſe a fait dix mille bonnes actions.] 1

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

181. mvp-aristotle-comment-181

NOTE 181. P. 108.

21.9 A THOUSAND IS A CERTAIN DEFINITE MANY. —
Το γαρ μύριον, πολυ ἐστι.
— Here, I may venture, I believe, for once, to adopt the positive tone of emendatory criticism.
Legendum omnino,
πολυ ΤΙ.
The sense, indeed, no one can mistake: but the text, as it stands, does not express that sense. It says only, "for a thousand is many, which he now uses instead of many." There can be no doubt, that Aristotle added
ΤΙ
here, as in all the other instances,
ἐσταναι ΤΙ — ὠφελεων ΤΙ.
1 But, to put the matter beyond all doubt, he afterwards, speaking of the same fort of metaphor, says,
το γαρ Παντες άντι του Πόλλοι, κατα μεταφοραν, είρηται· το γαρ Παν, ΠΟΛΥ ΤΙ.
2 I am surprised that so very obvious an error should have escaped the notice of all the commentators I am acquainted with.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

4. mvp-aristotle-comment-150

Ritter, cap. 21 § 4

μεταφορὰ δ' ἐστίν: Aristoteles metaphoram latiore sensu intelligit quam nos solemus, qui nonnisi tertiam et quartam speciem ab illo commemoratam pro metaphora accipimus. noster dicendi usus etiam Ciceronis aetate obtinuit. vid. eius de Orat. lib. III. c. 38 sqq. ἀπ᾿