Aristotle Poetics 21.10

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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For here to draw away, is used instead of to cut; and to cut is used instead of to draw away: since both imply the taking something away. 1 But I call it analogous,

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

Current edition Experimental

The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) (English) (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.)

Provisional text from uncorrected OCR; expect errors.

Editions (4)
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 21 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 21 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 21 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 21 focus
Translations (13)
Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 21 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 21 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 21 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 21 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 21.10 focus
3. From one species to another 1 : as, Χαλκῳ απο ψυχην ΑΡΥΣΑΣ. And, ΤΑΜ' ατειρει χαλκῳ. For here, the Poet uses ταμειν, to cut off, instead of αρυσαι, to draw forth, and αρυσαι instead of ταμειν: each being a species of taking away.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 21.10 focus
And [F] Cut by the ruthless sword.' Where, to draw away and to cut, are used alternately for each other, each being a species of taking something away.
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 21 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 21.10 focus
La metaphore de l'eſpece à l'eſpece conſiſte dans la reſſemblance, comme ſi en parlant d'un homme, qui dans l'eſperance de faire un tres grand profit, auroit porté chez luy quelque choſe, qui enſuite luy auroit cauſé quelque perte tres conſiderable, on diſoit, c'eſt le Carpathien avec ſon liévre.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 21 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 21 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 21 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 21 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 21 focus

Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. 6. Analogous.

Commentary

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-497

21.10 13. La metaphore de l'eſpece à l'efpece conſiſte dans la reſſem-blance.] 1

14. mvp-aristotle-comment-498

21.10 14. Comme ſi en parlant d'un homme qui dans l'esperance, &c.] 2

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

182. mvp-aristotle-comment-182

NOTE 182. P. 108.

21.10 FOR HERE, THE POET USES ταμειν --- INSTEAD OF ἀρυσαι, &c.Here a commentator is not perplexed by a little glimmering of light, that promises to shew him something, and shews him nothing; but is relieved at once from all trouble by a total and comfortable obscurity. The quotations are so short, and, in all probability, so incorrect, that it seems impossible to apply to them Aristotle's definition of this metaphor, or to see how, where the Poet has used
ταμειν
,
ἀρυσαι
would have been the proper word, and vice versa. Yet the commentators slide over this difficulty. Victorius , however, has noticed it, and, giving up the quotations as inexplicable and incorrigible, proposes a more intelligible example from the Rhetoric, III. 2. —
το φάναι, τον μεν πτωχευοντα, ευχεσθαι· τον δε ευχομενον, πτωχευειν· ὅτι ἀμφω αιτησεις.
Dacier has entirely omitted the passage, and substituted another from the Rhet. III. 11. p. 597, B. — Not, however, that he did not understand the passage; it was an inviolable rule with him always to understand his author: but only, it seems, because the example could not conveniently be expressed in French —
"il ne peut être traduit en nôtre langue."
Castelvetro gives a very pleasant illustration. He does not pretend to see how
ταμειν
and
ἀρυσαι
are put for each other in the Greek examples: but he says, that, to draw, and to cut off, might be thus metaphorically put for each other; if, for example, we should say, "Take this pruning hook, and draw some branches from the olive-tree: or, Take this pail, and cut off some water from the fountain." 1 — Undoubtedly any man may speak in this way, who choses it.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

5. mvp-aristotle-comment-151

Ritter, cap. 21 § 5

οἷον “ νηῦς δέμοι ἥδ᾽ ἕστηκε”: versus est Homeri Odyss. Α. 185. νηῦς δε μοι ἥδ᾽ ἕστηκεν ἐπ᾿ ἀγροῦ νόσφι πόληος. idem versus recurrit 2. 307. in portu esse ( ὁρμεῖν) est standi ( τοῦ στάναι) species: ipsum stare genus est. genus igitur positum sive illatum pro specie. εἴδους δὲ ἐπὶ γένος: qui in exemplum affertur est versus Homeri Il. Β. 272. ὦ πόποι, ἢ δὴ μυρί᾽ Ὀδυσσεὺς ἐσθλὰ ἔοργεν. genus est multa ( πολλά), species sexcenta ( μυρία). species posita vel illata est pro genere. ᾧ νῦν ἀντὶ τοῦ πολλοῦ κέχρηται. intelligendus est qui scripsit, h. e. Homerus. haec dicendi brevitas ad epitomatorem auctorem referenda videatur. ἀπ᾿ εἴδους δὲ ἐπὶ εἶδος: hoc fit, si verbum speciem significans pro alio item speciem denotante ita admittitur, ut utrumque simul pro genere ponatur. hoc enim apparet ex adiectis illis ἄμφω γὰρ ἀφελεῖν τι ἐστίν. pro exemplis duo afferuntur hemistichia χαλκῷ ἀπὸ ψυχὴν ἀρύσας atque τεμὼν ἀτειρέϊ χαλκῷ, quae unde sumpta sint non constat. nonnulli haec ex antiqua Homericorum carminum recensione transcripta existimant, sed ea coniectura unde probari possit non video. in priore χαλκῷ ἀπὸ ψυχὴν ἀρύσας illud ἀρύσας pro τεμών positum esse edocemur, ut sit aere animam hauriens pro aere animam intercidens ( τεμών) vel rapiens ( ἀφελῶν). simile sed non idem est quod Tacitus Histor. I, 41. iugulum haurire dixit. conf. Claudius Quadrigarius apud Gellium IX, 13. eo pacto ei sub Gallicum gladium successit atque Hispanico pectus hausit. difficilius ad explicandum est alterum hemistichium τεμὼν ἀτειρέϊ χαλκῷ, ubi τεμών pro ἀρύσας positum esse audimus. equidem coniicio hoc dictum fuisse de spuma aquae vel iusculi bullientis, sumptumque ex quodam parodiarum scriptore, qui spumam demere s. haurire ridicule appellaret τεμὼν ἀτειρέϊ χαλκῷ. iam habemus duo exempla, in quibus verbum speciem denotans pro altero item speciem denotante positum est ita ut utrumque etiam pro genere admissum sit.