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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τί δ’ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις, ¹ τί ποιήσεις;

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οὐ μὲν οὖν, ἀλλὰ σὺ ὁ Ἑλλανοδίκης ἐθέλω εἰδέναι ὅ τι καὶ πράξεις, πότερον αὐτίκα ἐρεῖς ὅτι οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἔφεδρος, ἢ δεήσει ἐπὶ πάντας ἐν κύκλῳ ἐλθόντα ἰδεῖν εἴ που αὐτῷ γράμμα ὅμοιόν ἐστιν; ὡς εἴ γε μὴ τοὺς πάντων κλήρους ἴδοις οὐκ ἂν μάθοις τὸν ἔφεδρον.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι. ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὕτως· τὸ Α δύο αὐτῶν ἔχουσιν καὶ τὸ Β ὁμοίως δύο, τῶν λοιπῶν δὲ τεττάρων ὄντων οἱ μὲν τὸ Γ, οἱ δὲ τὸ Δ πάντως ἀνεσπάκασιν καὶ ἀνήλωται ἤδη ἐς τοὺς ἀθλητὰς ὀκτὼ ὄντας τὰ τέτταρα γράμματα. δῆλον οὖν ὅτι μόνον ἂν οὕτω περιττὸν εἴη τὸ ἑξῆς γράμμα τὸ Ε, καὶ ὁ τοῦτο ἀνεσπακὼς ἔφεδρός ἐστι.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πότερον ἐπαινέσω σε, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γ' ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Νὴ Δία. διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

Hermotimus. Lucian of Samosata. ed. Kenneth Kilburn. Medford, MA. Perseus 5.0.

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Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος (Greek) (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).)

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Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 42 focus

Ἑρμότιμος

τί δʼ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις. τί ποιήσεις;

Λυκῖνος

οὐ μὲν οὖν, ἀλλὰ σὺ ὁ Ἑλλανοδίκης ἐθέλω εἰδέναι ὅ τι καὶ πράξεις, πότερον αὐτίκα ἐρεῖς ὅτι οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἔφεδρος, ἢ δεήσει ἐπὶ πάντας ἐν κύκλῳ ἐλθόντα ἰδεῖν εἴ που αὐτῷ γράμμα ὅμοιόν ἐστιν; ὡς εἴ γε μὴ τοὺς πάντων κλήρους ἴδοις, οὐκ ἂν μάθοις τὸν ἔφεδρον.

Ἑρμότιμος

καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι· ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα 785 ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

Λυκῖνος

πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

Ἑρμότιμος

οὕτως· τὸ Α δύο αὐτῶν ἔχουσι καὶ τὸ Β ὁμοίως δύο, τῶν λοιπῶν δὲ τεττάρων ὄντων οἱ μὲν τὸ Γ, οἱ δὲ τὸ Δ πάντως ἀνεσπάκασι καὶ ἀνήλωται ἤδη ἐς τοὺς ἀθλητὰς ὀκτὼ ὄντας τὰ τέτταρα γράμματα. δῆλον οὖν ὅτι μόνον ἂν οὕτω περιττὸν εἴη τὸ ἑξῆς γράμμα τὸ Ε, καὶ ὁ τοῦτο ἀνεσπακὼς ἔφεδρός ἐστι.

Λυκῖνος

πότερον, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, ἐπαινέσω σε τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γʼ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα, ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

Ἑρμότιμος

νὴ Δία· διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

Translations (2)

The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 42 focus

HERMOTIMUS

What if you come on this one first or second, what will you do?

LYCINUS

It is not what I shall do. You are the National Judge, and I want to know what you will do. Will you say at once that this man is given a bye, or will you have to go round them all, to see whether there is somewhere a corresponding letter? If you did not look at the lots of everyone, you would not discover who had the bye.

HERMOTIMUS

Oh, I should know quite easily, Lycinus. In the case of nine competitors, if I find epsilon first or second, I know that the one holding this lot is the one who has the bye.

LYCINUS

How, Hermotimus?

HERMOTIMUS

In this way: two have alpha, and similarly two have beta. Of the remaining four, two have surely drawn gamma and two delta, and four letters have already been used up for eight competitors. So it is clear that only the next letter, epsilon, could be odd, and he who has drawn this one gets the bye.

LYCINUS

Shall I praise you for your intelligence, or would you like me to explain the different view I have of the matter?

HERMOTIMUS

Certainly. But I fail to see what reasonable answer you can give to such an argument.

Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies Perseus (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.) — 42 focus

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Hermotimus

But suppose you come upon it first or second, what will you do then?

Lycinus

Never mind me; I want to know what you will do, Mr. Steward. Will you say at once, Here is the bye? or will you have to go round to all, and see whether there is a duplicate to be found, it being impossible to know the bye till you have seen all the lots?

Hermotimus

Why, Lycinus, I shall know quite easily; nine being the number, if I find the epsilon first or second, I know the holder of it for the bye.

Lycinus

But how?

Hermotimus

How? Why, two of them must have alpha, two beta, 66 Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies and of the next two pairs one has certainly drawn gammas and the other deltas, so that four letters have been used up over eight competitors. Obviously, then, the next letter, which is epsilon, is the only one that can be odd, and the drawer of it is the bye.

Lycinus

Shall I extol your intelligence, or would you rather I explained to you my own poor idea, which differs?

Hermotimus

The latter, of course, though I cannot conceive how you can reasonably differ.

Notes on the current edition

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος

1. ἐντύχοις Belinus: ἐντύχῃς MSS.

Lucian of Samosata Hermotimus 42

ed. Kenneth Kilburn

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τί δ’ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις, ¹ τί ποιήσεις;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι. ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πότερον ἐπαινέσω σε, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γ' ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Νὴ Δία. διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

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Ἑρμότιμος

τί δʼ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις. τί ποιήσεις;

Ἑρμότιμος

καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι· ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα 785 ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

Λυκῖνος

πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

Λυκῖνος

πότερον, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, ἐπαινέσω σε τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γʼ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα, ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

Ἑρμότιμος

νὴ Δία· διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

HERMOTIMUS

What if you come on this one first or second, what will you do?

HERMOTIMUS

Oh, I should know quite easily, Lycinus. In the case of nine competitors, if I find epsilon first or second, I know that the one holding this lot is the one who has the bye.

LYCINUS

How, Hermotimus?

LYCINUS

Shall I praise you for your intelligence, or would you like me to explain the different view I have of the matter?

HERMOTIMUS

Certainly. But I fail to see what reasonable answer you can give to such an argument.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Τί δ’ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις, 1 τί ποιήσεις;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι. ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ Πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ Πότερον ἐπαινέσω σε, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γ' ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Νὴ Δία. διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

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Ἑρμότιμος τί δʼ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις. τί ποιήσεις;

Ἑρμότιμος καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι· ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα 785 ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

Λυκῖνος πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

Λυκῖνος πότερον, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, ἐπαινέσω σε τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γʼ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα, ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

Ἑρμότιμος νὴ Δία· διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

HERMOTIMUS What if you come on this one first or second, what will you do?

HERMOTIMUS Oh, I should know quite easily, Lycinus. In the case of nine competitors, if I find epsilon first or second, I know that the one holding this lot is the one who has the bye.

LYCINUS How, Hermotimus?

LYCINUS Shall I praise you for your intelligence, or would you like me to explain the different view I have of the matter?

HERMOTIMUS Certainly. But I fail to see what reasonable answer you can give to such an argument.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τί δ’ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις, ¹ τί ποιήσεις;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι. ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πότερον ἐπαινέσω σε, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γ' ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Νὴ Δία. διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

Ἑρμότιμος

τί δʼ εἰ ἐκείνῳ πρώτῳ ἢ δευτέρῳ ἐντύχοις. τί ποιήσεις;

Ἑρμότιμος

καὶ μήν, ὦ Λυκῖνε, ῥᾳδίως ἂν μάθοιμι· ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἐννέα ἢν τὸ Ε εὕρω πρῶτον ἢ δεύτερον, οἶδα 785 ὅτι ἔφεδρος ὁ τοῦτο ἔχων ἐστί.

Λυκῖνος

πῶς, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε;

Λυκῖνος

πότερον, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, ἐπαινέσω σε τῆς συνέσεως, ἢ θέλεις ἀντείπω τά γʼ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦντα, ὁποῖα ἂν ᾖ;

Ἑρμότιμος

νὴ Δία· διαπορῶ μέντοι ὅ τι ἂν εὔλογον ἀντειπεῖν ἔχοις πρὸς τὸ τοιοῦτον.

HERMOTIMUS

What if you come on this one first or second, what will you do?

HERMOTIMUS

Oh, I should know quite easily, Lycinus. In the case of nine competitors, if I find epsilon first or second, I know that the one holding this lot is the one who has the bye.

LYCINUS

How, Hermotimus?

LYCINUS

Shall I praise you for your intelligence, or would you like me to explain the different view I have of the matter?

HERMOTIMUS

Certainly. But I fail to see what reasonable answer you can give to such an argument.