Lucian of Samosata, Hermotimus, ed. Kenneth Kilburn, 43

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ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Σὺ μὲν γὰρ ὡς ἑξῆς πάντων γραφομένων γραμμάτων εἴρηκας, οἷον πρώτου τοῦ Α, δευτέρου δὲ τοῦ Β καὶ κατὰ τὴν τάξιν, ἄχρι ἂν ἐς ἓν αὐτῶν τελευτήσῃ ὁ ἀριθμὸς τῶν ἀθλητῶν· καὶ δίδωμί σοι Ὀλυμπίασιν οὕτω γίγνεσθαι. τί δέ, εἰ ἐξελόντες ἀτάκτως πέντε γράμματα ἐξ ἁπάντων, τὸ Χ καὶ τὸ Σ καὶ τὸ Ζ καὶ τὸ Κ καὶ τὸ Θ, τὰ μὲν ἄλλα τέτταρα διπλᾶ ἐπὶ τῶν κλήρων τῶν ὀκτὼ γράφοιμεν, τὸ δὲ Ζ μόνον ἐπὶ τοῦ ἐνάτου, ὃ δὴ καὶ δηλοῦν ἔμελλεν ἡμῖν τὸν ἔφεδρον, τί ποιήσεις πρῶτον εὑρὼν τὸ Ζ; τῷ διαγνώσῃ ἔφεδρον ὄντα τὸν ἔχοντα αὐτό, ἢν μὴ ἐπὶ πάντας ἐλθὼν εὕρῃς οὐδὲν αὐτῷ συμφωνοῦν; οὐ γὰρ εἶχες ὥσπερ νῦν τῇ τάξει αὐτῶν τεκμαίρεσθαι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς.

Hermotimus. Lucian of Samosata. ed. Kenneth Kilburn. Medford, MA. Perseus 5.0.

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Current edition Perseus

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος (Greek) (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).)

Editions (1)

Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 43 focus

Λυκῖνος

σὺ μὲν γὰρ ὡς ἑξῆς παντως γραφομένων τῶν γραμμάτων εἴρηκας, οἷον πρώτου τοῦ Α, δευτέρου δὲ τοῦ Β καὶ κατὰ τὴν τάξιν, ἄχρι ἂν ἐς ἓν αὐτῶν τελευτήσῃ ὁ ἀριθμὸς τῶν ἀθλητῶν· καὶ δίδωμί σοι Ὀλυμπίασιν οὕτω γίγνεσθαι. τί δέ, εἰ ἐξελόντες ἀτάκτως πέντε γράμματα ἐξ ἁπάντων, τὸ Χ καὶ τὸ Σ καὶ τὸ Ζ καὶ το Κ καὶ τὸ Θ, τὰ μὲν ἄλλα τέτταρα διπλᾶ ἐπὶ τῶν κλήρων τῶν ὀκτὼ γράφοιμεν, τὸ δὲ Ζ μόνον ἐπὶ τοῦ ἐνάτου, ὃ δὴ καὶ δηλοῦν ἔμελλεν ἡμῖν τὸν ἔφεδρον, τί ποιήσεις πρῶτον εὑρὼν τὸ Ζ; τῷ διαγνώσῃ ἔφεδρον ὄντα τὸν ἔχοντα αὐτό, ἢν μὴ ἐπὶ πάντας ἐλθὼν εὕρῃς οὐδὲν αὐτῷ συμφωνοῦν; οὐ γὰρ εἶχες ὥσπερ νῦν τῇ τάξει αὐτῶν τεκμαίρεσθαι.

Ἑρμότιμος

Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς. 786

Translations (2)

The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 43 focus

LYCINUS

You have spoken as if the letters are definitely written in order—I mean alpha first, beta second, and so on through the alphabet, until the number of competitors is completed at one of them. I grant that this is so at Olympia. But suppose we choose five letters completely at random—chi, sigma, zeta, kappa, and theta—and we write four of these twice on eight lots, but the zeta only on the ninth, which is going to show us the bye. What will you do if you find the zeta first? How can you pick out the competitor who holds it as the man for the bye, without going to all the others and finding no letter to correspond to it? You cannot, as you were just now, be sure from the alphabetical order.

HERMOTIMUS

What you ask is difficult to answer.

Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies Perseus (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.) — 43 focus

[43]

Lycinus

You have gone on the assumption that the letters are taken in alphabetical order, until at a particular one the number of competitors runs short; and I grant you it may be done so at Olympia. But suppose we were to pick out five letters at random, say chi, sigma, zeta, kappa, theta, and duplicate the other four on the lots for eight competitors, but put a single zeta on the ninth, which we meant to indicate the bye—what then would you do if you came on the zeta first? How can you tell that its holder is the bye till you have been all round and found no counterpart to it? for you could not tell by the alphabetical order, as at Olympia.

Hermotimus

A difficult question.

Lucian of Samosata Hermotimus 43

ed. Kenneth Kilburn

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Ἑρμότιμος

Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς. 786

HERMOTIMUS

What you ask is difficult to answer.

Lycinus

Hermotimus

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς.

Current edition Perseus

Ἑρμότιμος Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς. 786

HERMOTIMUS What you ask is difficult to answer.

Lycinus

Hermotimus

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς.

Ἑρμότιμος

Δυσαπόκριτον τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷς. 786

HERMOTIMUS

What you ask is difficult to answer.