Lucian, Hermotimus, Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator), 17

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Lycinus

And, of course, it was other people who so described them; you would not have taken their own word for their excellences.

Hermotimus

Certainly not; it was others who said it.

Lycinus

Not their rivals, I suppose?

Hermotimus

Oh, no.

Lycinus

Laymen, then?

Hermotimus

Just so.

Lycinus

There you are again, cheating me with your irony; you take me for a blockhead, who will believe that an intelligent person like Hermotimus, at the age of forty, would accept the word of laymen about philosophy and philosophers, and make his own selection on the strength of what they said.

Hermotimus. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

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Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

Editions (2)

Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 17 focus

Λυκῖνος

ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν· οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

Ἑρμότιμος

οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

Λυκῖνος

οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον, ὡς τὸ εἰκός οὗτοι δὲ ἦσαν οἱ τὰ ἄλλα φιλοσοφοῦντες.

Ἑρμότιμος

οὐ γάρ.

Λυκῖνος

οἱ δʼ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

Ἑρμότιμος

καὶ μάλα.

Λυκῖνος

ὁρᾷς, ὅπως αὖθις ἐξαπατᾷς με καὶ οὐ λέγεις τἀληθές, ἀλλʼ οἴει Μαργίτῃ διαλέγεσθαί τινι, ὡς πιστεῦσαι 756 ὅτι Ἑρμότιμος, ἀνὴρ συνετός, ἔτη τότε γεγονὼς τετταράκοντα, περὶ φιλοσοφίας καὶ φιλοσόφων ἀνδρῶν τοῖς ἰδιώταις ἐπίστευσε καὶ κατὰ τὰ ὑπʼ ἐκείνων λεγόμενα ἐποιεῖτο τὴν αἵρεσιν τῶν κρειττόνων ἀξιῶν· οὐ γὰρ ἂν πιστεύσαιμί σοι τοιαῦτα λέγοντι.

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 17 focus

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν. οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον ὡς τὸ εἰκός. ¹

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὐ γάρ.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἱ δ’ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Καὶ μάλα.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ὁρᾷς ὅπως αὖθις ἐξαπατᾷς με καὶ οὐ λέγεις τἀληθές. ἀλλ’ οἴει Μαργίτῃ διαλέγεσθαί τινι, ὡς πιστεῦσαι ὅτι Ἑρμότιμος, ἀνὴρ συνετός, ἔτη τότε γεγονὼς τετταράκοντα, περὶ φιλοσοφίας καὶ φιλοσόφων ἀνδρῶν τοῖς ἰδιώταις ἐπίστευσεν καὶ κατὰ τὰ ὑπ' ἐκείνων λεγόμενα ἐποιεῖτο τὴν αἵρεσιν τῶν κρειττόνων. οὐ γὰρ ἀξιῶ πιστεῦσαί σοι ² τοιαῦτα λέγοντι.

Translations (1)

The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 17 focus

LYCINUS

These were obviously other people’s opinions on the schools. You wouldn’t have simply believed the respective adherents when they praised their own schools.

HERMOTIMUS

Certainly not; these were other people’s opinions.

LYCINUS

Not their rivals’ opinions, I suppose?

HERMOTIMUS

No.

LYCINUS

Laymen’s opinions?

HERMOTIMUS

Yes.

LYCINUS

You see how once again you are cheating me and not telling the truth. You think you are talking with some Margites ¹ who is ready to believe that Hermotimus, an intelligent man forty years of age, on philosophy and philosophers believed the opinions of laymen and made his choice of the better creed accordingly. I refuse to believe you when you say things like that.

Lucian Hermotimus 17

Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator)

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Λυκῖνος

ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν· οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

Ἑρμότιμος

οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

Λυκῖνος

οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον, ὡς τὸ εἰκός οὗτοι δὲ ἦσαν οἱ τὰ ἄλλα φιλοσοφοῦντες.

Ἑρμότιμος

οὐ γάρ.

Λυκῖνος

οἱ δʼ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

Ἑρμότιμος

καὶ μάλα.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν. οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον ὡς τὸ εἰκός. ¹

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὐ γάρ.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἱ δ’ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Καὶ μάλα.

LYCINUS

These were obviously other people’s opinions on the schools. You wouldn’t have simply believed the respective adherents when they praised their own schools.

HERMOTIMUS

Certainly not; these were other people’s opinions.

LYCINUS

Not their rivals’ opinions, I suppose?

HERMOTIMUS

No.

LYCINUS

Laymen’s opinions?

HERMOTIMUS

Yes.

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Λυκῖνος ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν· οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

Ἑρμότιμος οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

Λυκῖνος οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον, ὡς τὸ εἰκός οὗτοι δὲ ἦσαν οἱ τὰ ἄλλα φιλοσοφοῦντες.

Ἑρμότιμος οὐ γάρ.

Λυκῖνος οἱ δʼ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

Ἑρμότιμος καὶ μάλα.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ Ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν. οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ Οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον ὡς τὸ εἰκός. 1

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Οὐ γάρ.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ Οἱ δ’ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Καὶ μάλα.

LYCINUS These were obviously other people’s opinions on the schools. You wouldn’t have simply believed the respective adherents when they praised their own schools.

HERMOTIMUS Certainly not; these were other people’s opinions.

LYCINUS Not their rivals’ opinions, I suppose?

HERMOTIMUS No.

LYCINUS Laymen’s opinions?

HERMOTIMUS Yes.

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Λυκῖνος

ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν· οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

Ἑρμότιμος

οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

Λυκῖνος

οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον, ὡς τὸ εἰκός οὗτοι δὲ ἦσαν οἱ τὰ ἄλλα φιλοσοφοῦντες.

Ἑρμότιμος

οὐ γάρ.

Λυκῖνος

οἱ δʼ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

Ἑρμότιμος

καὶ μάλα.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ἔλεγον δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς σὲ ἄλλοι δηλαδὴ περὶ αὐτῶν. οὐ γὰρ δὴ ἐκείνοις ἂν αὐτοῖς ἐπίστευσας ἐπαινοῦσι τὰ αὐτῶν.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ οἱ ἄλλοι ἔλεγον.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἱ μὲν δὴ ἀντίδοξοι οὐκ ἔλεγον ὡς τὸ εἰκός. ¹

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Οὐ γάρ.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἱ δ’ ἄρα ἰδιῶται ταῦτα ἔλεγον.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Καὶ μάλα.

LYCINUS

These were obviously other people’s opinions on the schools. You wouldn’t have simply believed the respective adherents when they praised their own schools.

HERMOTIMUS

Certainly not; these were other people’s opinions.

LYCINUS

Not their rivals’ opinions, I suppose?

HERMOTIMUS

No.

LYCINUS

Laymen’s opinions?

HERMOTIMUS

Yes.