Lucian, Hermotimus, Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator), 18

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Hermotimus

But you see, Lycinus, I did not depend on their judgement entirely, but on my own too. I saw the Stoics going about with dignity, decently dressed and groomed, ever with a thoughtful air and a manly countenance, as far from effeminacy as from the utter repulsive negligence of the Cynics, bearing themselves, in fact, like moderate men; and every one admits that moderation is right.

Lycinus

Did you ever see them behaving like your master, as I described him to you just now? Lending money and clamouring for payment, losing their tempers in philosophic debates, and making other exhibitions of themselves? Or perhaps these are trifles, so long as the dress is decent, the beard long, and the hair close-cropped?, We are provided for the future, then, with an infallible rule and balance, guaranteed by Hermotimus? It is by appearance and walk and haircutting that the best men are to be distinguished; and whosoever has not these marks, and is not solemn and thoughtful, shall be condemned and rejected?

Hermotimus. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

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Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

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Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 18 focus

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ οἶσθα, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐχὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις μόνον ἐπίστευον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐμαυτῷ· ἑώρων γὰρ αὐτοὺς κοσμίως βαδίζοντας, ἀναβεβλημένους εὐσταλῶς, φροντίζοντας ἀεί, ἀρρενωπούς, ἐν χρῷ κουρίας τοὺς πλείστους, οὐδὲν ἁβρὸν οὐδʼ αὖ πάνυ ἐς τὸ ἀδιάφορον ὑπερεκπῖπτον, ὡς ἔκπληκτον εἶναι καὶ κυνικὸν ἀτεχνῶς, ἀλλʼ ἐπὶ τοῦ μέσου καταστήματος, ὃ δὴ ἄριστον ἅπαντες εἶναι φασιν.

Λυκῖνος

ἆρʼ οὖν κἀκεῖνα εἶδες ποιοῦντας αὐτούς, ἃ μικρῷ πρόσθεν ἔλεγον αὐτὸς ἑωρακέναι τὸν σὸν διδάσκαλον, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, πράττοντα; οἷον δανείζοντας καὶ ἀπαιτοῦντας πικρῶς καὶ φιλονείκως πάνυ ἐρίζοντας ἐν ταῖς ξυνουσίαις καὶ τὰ ἄλλα ὅσα ἐπιδείκνυνται; ἢ τούτων ὀλίγον σοι μέλει, ἄχρι ἂν εὐσταλὴς ἡ ἀναβολὴ καὶ 757 ὁ πώγων βαθὺς καὶ ἐν χρῷ ἡ κουρά; καὶ πρὸς το λοιπὸν ἄρα ἔχωμεν τουτονὶ κανόνα καὶ στάθμην ἀκριβῆ τῶν τοιούτων, ὡς Ἑρμότιμός φησι, καὶ χρὴ ἀπὸ σχημάτων καὶ βαδισμάτων καὶ κουρᾶς διαγιγνώσκειν τοὺς ἀρίστους, ὃς δʼ ἂν μὴ ἔχῃ ταῦτα μηδὲ σκυθρωπὸς ᾖ καὶ φροντιστικὸς τὸ πρόσωπον, ἀποδοκιμαστέος καὶ ἀποβλητέος;

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 18 focus

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' οἶσθα, ὦ Λυκῖνε, οὐχὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις μόνον ἐπίστευον ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐμαυτῷ. ἑώρων γὰρ αὐτοὺς κοσμίως βαδίζοντας, ἀναβεβλημένους εὐσταλῶς, φροντίζοντας ἀεί, ἀρρενωπούς, ἐν χρῷ κουρίας τοὺς πλείστους, οὐδὲν ἁβρὸν οὐδ’ αὖ πάνυ ἐς τὸ ἀδιάφορον ὑπερεκπῖπτον ὡς ἔκπληκτον εἶναι καὶ κυνικὸν ἀτεχνῶς, ἀλλ’ ἐπὶ τοῦ μέσου καταστήματος, ὃ δὴ ἄριστον ἅπαντες εἶναί φασιν.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Ἆρ' οὖν κἀκεῖνα εἶδες ποιοῦντας αὐτοὺς ἃ μικρῷ πρόσθεν ἔλεγον αὐτὸς ἑωρακέναι τὸν σὸν διδάσκαλον, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, πράττοντα; οἷον δανείζοντας καὶ ἀπαιτοῦντας πικρῶς καὶ φιλονείκως πάνυ ἐρίζοντας ἐν ταῖς ξυνουσίαις καὶ τὰ ἄλλα ὅσα ἐπιδείκνυνται; ἢ τούτων ὀλίγον σοι μέλει, ἄχρι ἂν εὐσταλὴς ἡ ἀναβολὴ καὶ ὁ πώγων βαθὺς καὶ ἐν χρῷ ἡ κουρά; καὶ πρὸς τὸ λοιπὸν ἄρα ἔχωμεν τουτονὶ κανόνα καὶ στάθμην ἀκριβῆ τῶν τοιούτων, ὡς Ἑρμότιμός φησι, καὶ χρὴ ἀπὸ σχημάτων καὶ βαδισμάτων καὶ κουρᾶς διαγιγνώσκειν τοὺς ἀρίστους, ὃς δ’ ἂν μὴ ἔχῃ ταῦτα μηδὲ σκυθρωπὸς ᾖ καὶ φροντιστικὸς τὸ πρόσωπον, ἀποδοκιμαστέος καὶ ἀποβλητέος;

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The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 18 focus

HERMOTIMUS

But you know, Lycinus, I did rely on myself as well as others. I used to see the Stoics walking with dignity, decently dressed, always thoughtful, manly in looks, most of them close-cropped; there was nothing effeminate, none of that exaggerated indifference which stamps the genuine crazy Cynic. They seemed in a state of moderation and everyone says that is best.

LYCINUS

Did you see them behaving also as I said just now I saw your master behaving, Hermotimus? I mean lending money and making bitter demands to be repaid, quarrelsome and most contentious in conversations and generally showing off as they usually do? Or is this of little importance to you, so long as the dress is decent, the beard long, and the hair close-cropped? Then this is to be our strict rule and law for the future in these matters according to Hermotimus: we are to distinguish the best men by their appearance, their walk, and their hair, and whosoever has not these signs and does not look sulky and meditative is to be spurned and rejected!

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Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator)

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