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Porch

Not yet! Let me ask him a few questions.

Epicurus

Yes? I am ready.

Porch

You hold toil to be an evil?

Epicurus

I do.

Porch

And pleasure a good?

Epicurus

Unquestionably.

Porch

Do you recognize the distinction between differentia and indifferentia? between praeposita and rejecta?

Epicurus

Why, certainly.

Hermes

Madan, this discussion must cease; the jury say they do not understand word-chopping. They will now give their votes, Porch. Ah; I should have won, if I could have tried him with my third figure of self-evidents.

Justice

Who wins?

Hermes

Unanimous verdict for Pleasure.

Porch

1 appeal to Zeus.

Justice

By all means. Next case, Hermes.

Bis accusatus sive tribunalia. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

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The Double Indictment (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 3. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

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Δὶς κατηγορούμενος Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 3. Harmon, Austin Morris, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1921.) — 22 focus

Στοά

μηδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ ὀλίγα μοι συνερωτῆσαι ἐπιτρέψατε.

Ἐπίκουρος

Ἐρώτησον· ἀποκρινοῦμαι γάρ.

Στοά

κακὸν ἡγῇ τὸν πόνον;

Ἐπίκουρος

ναί.

Στοά

τὴν ἡδονὴν δὲ ἀγαθόν;

Ἐπίκουρος

πάνυ μὲν οὖν.

Στοά

τί δέ; οἶσθα τί διάφορον καὶ ἀδιάφορον καὶ προηγμένον καὶ ἀποπροηγμένον;

Ἐπίκουρος

μάλιστα.

Ἑρμῆς

οὔ φασιν, ὦ Στοά, συνιέναι οἱ δικασταὶ τὰ δισύλλαβα ταῦτα ἐρωτήματα· ὥστε ἡσυχίαν ἄγετε. ψηφοφοροῦσι γάρ.

Στοά

καὶ μὴν ἐκράτησα ἄν, εἰ συνηρώτησα ἐν τῷ τρίτῳ τῶν ἀναποδείκτων σχήματι.

Δίκη

τίς ὑπερέσχεν;

Ἑρμῆς

πάσαις ἡ Ἡδονή.

Στοά

ἐφίημι ἐπὶ τὸν Δία.

Δίκη

τύχῃ τῇ ἀγαθῇ. σὺ δὲ ἄλλους κάλει.

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The Double Indictment Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 3. Harmon, Austin Morris, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1921.) — 22 focus

STOA

No, no! Let me cross-question him a little.

EPICURUS

Put your questions: I will answer them.

STOA

Do you consider pain bad?

EPICURUS

Yes.

STOA

And pleasure good?

EPICURUS

Certainly.

STOA

Well, do you know the meaning of “material” and “immaterial,” of ‘approved” and “disapproved”?¹

EPICURUS

Certainly.

HERMES

Stoa, the jurors say they can’t understand these dissyllabic questions, so be silent; they are voting.

STOA

I should have won if I had put him a question in the form of the “third indemonstrable.”²

JUSTICE

Who won?

HERMES

Pleasure, unanimously.

STOA

I appeal to Zeus!

JUSTICE

Good luck to you! Hermes, call another case.

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Porch Not yet! Let me ask him a few questions.

Epicurus Yes? I am ready.

Porch You hold toil to be an evil?

Epicurus I do.

Porch And pleasure a good?

Epicurus Unquestionably.

Porch Do you recognize the distinction between differentia and indifferentia? between praeposita and rejecta?

Epicurus Why, certainly.

Hermes Madan, this discussion must cease; the jury say they do not understand word-chopping. They will now give their votes, Porch. Ah; I should have won, if I could have tried him with my third figure of self-evidents.

Justice Who wins?

Hermes Unanimous verdict for Pleasure.

Porch 1 appeal to Zeus.

Justice By all means. Next case, Hermes.

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Στοά μηδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ ὀλίγα μοι συνερωτῆσαι ἐπιτρέψατε.

Ἐπίκουρος Ἐρώτησον· ἀποκρινοῦμαι γάρ.

Στοά κακὸν ἡγῇ τὸν πόνον;

Ἐπίκουρος ναί.

Στοά τὴν ἡδονὴν δὲ ἀγαθόν;

Ἐπίκουρος πάνυ μὲν οὖν.

Στοά τί δέ; οἶσθα τί διάφορον καὶ ἀδιάφορον καὶ προηγμένον καὶ ἀποπροηγμένον;

Ἐπίκουρος μάλιστα.

Ἑρμῆς οὔ φασιν, ὦ Στοά, συνιέναι οἱ δικασταὶ τὰ δισύλλαβα ταῦτα ἐρωτήματα· ὥστε ἡσυχίαν ἄγετε. ψηφοφοροῦσι γάρ.

Στοά καὶ μὴν ἐκράτησα ἄν, εἰ συνηρώτησα ἐν τῷ τρίτῳ τῶν ἀναποδείκτων σχήματι.

Δίκη τίς ὑπερέσχεν;

Ἑρμῆς πάσαις ἡ Ἡδονή.

Στοά ἐφίημι ἐπὶ τὸν Δία.

Δίκη τύχῃ τῇ ἀγαθῇ. σὺ δὲ ἄλλους κάλει.

STOA No, no! Let me cross-question him a little.

EPICURUS Put your questions: I will answer them.

STOA Do you consider pain bad?

EPICURUS Yes.

STOA And pleasure good?

EPICURUS Certainly.

STOA Well, do you know the meaning of “material” and “immaterial,” of ‘approved” and “disapproved”? 1

EPICURUS Certainly.

HERMES Stoa, the jurors say they can’t understand these dissyllabic questions, so be silent; they are voting.

STOA I should have won if I had put him a question in the form of the “third indemonstrable.” 2

JUSTICE Who won?

HERMES Pleasure, unanimously.

STOA I appeal to Zeus!

JUSTICE Good luck to you! Hermes, call another case.

Stable identifiers

Porch

Not yet! Let me ask him a few questions.

Epicurus

Yes? I am ready.

Porch

You hold toil to be an evil?

Epicurus

I do.

Porch

And pleasure a good?

Epicurus

Unquestionably.

Porch

Do you recognize the distinction between differentia and indifferentia? between praeposita and rejecta?

Epicurus

Why, certainly.

Hermes

Madan, this discussion must cease; the jury say they do not understand word-chopping. They will now give their votes, Porch. Ah; I should have won, if I could have tried him with my third figure of self-evidents.

Justice

Who wins?

Hermes

Unanimous verdict for Pleasure.

Porch

1 appeal to Zeus.

Justice

By all means. Next case, Hermes.

Στοά

μηδαμῶς, ἀλλʼ ὀλίγα μοι συνερωτῆσαι ἐπιτρέψατε.

Ἐπίκουρος

Ἐρώτησον· ἀποκρινοῦμαι γάρ.

Στοά

κακὸν ἡγῇ τὸν πόνον;

Ἐπίκουρος

ναί.

Στοά

τὴν ἡδονὴν δὲ ἀγαθόν;

Ἐπίκουρος

πάνυ μὲν οὖν.

Στοά

τί δέ; οἶσθα τί διάφορον καὶ ἀδιάφορον καὶ προηγμένον καὶ ἀποπροηγμένον;

Ἐπίκουρος

μάλιστα.

Ἑρμῆς

οὔ φασιν, ὦ Στοά, συνιέναι οἱ δικασταὶ τὰ δισύλλαβα ταῦτα ἐρωτήματα· ὥστε ἡσυχίαν ἄγετε. ψηφοφοροῦσι γάρ.

Στοά

καὶ μὴν ἐκράτησα ἄν, εἰ συνηρώτησα ἐν τῷ τρίτῳ τῶν ἀναποδείκτων σχήματι.

Δίκη

τίς ὑπερέσχεν;

Ἑρμῆς

πάσαις ἡ Ἡδονή.

Στοά

ἐφίημι ἐπὶ τὸν Δία.

Δίκη

τύχῃ τῇ ἀγαθῇ. σὺ δὲ ἄλλους κάλει.

STOA

No, no! Let me cross-question him a little.

EPICURUS

Put your questions: I will answer them.

STOA

Do you consider pain bad?

EPICURUS

Yes.

STOA

And pleasure good?

EPICURUS

Certainly.

STOA

Well, do you know the meaning of “material” and “immaterial,” of ‘approved” and “disapproved”?¹

EPICURUS

Certainly.

HERMES

Stoa, the jurors say they can’t understand these dissyllabic questions, so be silent; they are voting.

STOA

I should have won if I had put him a question in the form of the “third indemonstrable.”²

JUSTICE

Who won?

HERMES

Pleasure, unanimously.

STOA

I appeal to Zeus!

JUSTICE

Good luck to you! Hermes, call another case.