Plato Republic 7.519

Paul Shorey (Translator)

Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.

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Notes on the current edition

Republic

1. Cf. Theaet. 176 D, Laws 689 C-D, Cic. De offic. i. 19, and also Laws 819 A.
2. Cf. Theaet. 195 A,
ibid.
173 A
σμικροὶ . . . τὰς ψυχάς
, Marcus Aurelius’
ψυχάριον εἶ βαστάζων νεκρόν
, Swinburne’s
A little soul for a little bears up this corpse which is man
( Hymn to Proserpine, in fine), Tennyson’s
If half the little soul is dirt.
3. Lit. Toward which it is turned.
4. The meaning is plain, the precise nature of the image that carries it is doubtful. Jowett’s circumcision was suggested by Stallbaum’s
purgata ac circumcisa,
but carries alien associations. The whole may be compared with the incrustation of the soul, 611 C-D, and with Phaedo 81 B f.
5. Or eye of the mind. Cf. 533 D, Sym. 219 A, Soph. 254 A, Aristot. Eth. 1144 a 30 , and the parallels and imitations collected by Gomperz, Apol. der Heilkunst, 166-167. cf. also What Plato Said, p. 534, on Phaedo 99 E, Ovid, Met. 15.64:
. . . quae natura negabat Visibus humanis, oculis ea pectoris hausit.
Cf. Friedlander, Platon, i. pp. 12-13, 15, and perhaps Odyssey, i. 115, Marc. Aurel. iv. 29
καταμύειν τῷ νοερῷ ὄμματι
.
6. For likely and necessary cf. on 485 C, p. 6, note c.
7. σκοπόν: this is what distinguishes the philosophic statesman from the opportunist politician. Cf. 452 E, Laws 962 A-B, D, Unity of Plato’s Thought, p. 18 n. 102.
8. Cf. 540 B, Gorg. 526 C, 520 D
ἐν τῷ καθαρῷ
and Phaedo 114 C, 109 B. Because they will still suppose that they are
building Jerusalem in England’s green and pleasant land
(Blake).
9. Cf. 539 E and Laws 803 B-C, and on 520 C, Huxley, Evolution and Ethics, p. 53
the hero of our story descended the bean-stalk and came back to the common world,
etc.
10. Cf. Vol. I. pp. 314-315 on 419.
11. i.e. happiness, not of course exceptional happiness.
12. Persuasion and compulsion are often bracketed or contrasted. Cf. also Laws 661 C, 722 B, 711 C, Rep. 548 B.
13. Cf. 369 C ff. The reference there however is only to the economic division of labor. For the idea that laws should be for the good of the whole state cf. 420 B ff., 466 A, 341-342, Laws 715 B, 757 D, 875 A.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Republic (Plato. The Republic, Vol 1-2. Adam, James, editor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-1903.) focus

ὧν εἰ ἀπαλλαγὲν κτλ. For the anacoluthon cf. Laws 810 D, E (Engelhardt Anac. Pl. Spec. III p. 37). Cobet gratuitously adds τά before ἐφ’ ἅ. Cf. 519 A note With the sentiment cf. VI 491 C, D notes, 494 C ff. notes Plato may well be thinking of Alcibiades again. The present passage is a conspicuous proof of the almost boundless influence which Plato ascribed to education, when applied to gifted natures.

σκοπὸν ‐‐ ἕνα κτλ. The εἷς σκοπός of Plato's guardians is the Idea of Good, which is therefore clearly not only a metaphysical but also an ethical concept—the goal of conduct as well as the ultimate cause of knowledge and existence. Cf. 540 A and App. III.

ἑκόντες εἶναι . I 336 E note

τῶν οἰκιστῶν =‘the founders’ is in explanatory apposition with ἡμέτερον .

ἐν τῷ πρόσθεν . VI 505 A.

ἰδεῖν τε κτλ. depends on ἀναγκάσαι and explains ἀφικέσθαι—μέγιστον (J. and C.). τε balances καί before ἀναβῆναι. This explanation is better than to regard τε as ‘and’ (with Schneider and D. and V.).

ἔπειτα and ε<*>τα are used like our ‘what!’ in indignant or quasi-indignant questions. Cf. Gorg. 466 C , Ap. 28 B and elsewhere, with Blaydes on Ar. Av. 911 .

ἐπελάθου κτλ. πάλιν does not mean that Glauco has forgotten twice, but only that he remembered before. The emphasis falls on ἐπελάθου rather than on πάλιν. Plato is thinking of V 466 A, where Glauco says μέμνημαι when challenged on this point. To this explanation, which he gives as an alternative, Schneider inclines to prefer the view which sees in πάλιν a reference directly to IV 419 A ff. But the interlocutor there is Adimantus, not Glauco, and even Adimantus in IV could not strictly be said to forget what Socrates for the first time expressly asserts (IV 420 B οὐ μὴν πρὸς τοῦτο—ἡ πόλις) in reply to Adimantus' difficulties.

νόμῳ is the reading of all the best MSS, and was restored by Schneider for νομοθέτῃ. Law is personified throughout the whole sentence: cf. (with Schneider) Tim. 24 B . νομοθέτῃ gives a good sense, but is weaker than νόμῳ: Law, we feel, is free from selfishness and partiality, but a legislator need not be.

ἐπὶ τὸν ξύνδεσμον is not ‘so as to be the bond of the State’ (as J. and C. suggest), but ‘for binding the city together,’ with reference to ξυναρμόττων τοὺς πολίτας. Cf. Laws 921 C.

τοίνυν =‘further’ (I 339 D note). Socrates has not yet replied to Glauco's indignant ἀδικήσομεν αὐτούς; but proceeds to do so now.

οὐδ’ ἀδικήσομεν : (besides what I have just said) we shall not be wronging them either. οὐδέ is used in the same way in Euthyph. 12 A and Laws 673 C. δέ in οὐδέ cannot mean ‘in spite of what you say’ (as J. and C. imagine).

ὥσπερ ἐν σμήνεσιν κτλ. is probably a Socratic comparison: cf. Xen. Cyr. V 1. 24 (quoted by Ast) βασιλεὺς μὲν γὰρ ἔμοιγε δοκεῖς σὺ πεφυκέναι οὐδὲν ἧττον ἢ ὁ ἐν τῷ σμήνει φυόμενος τῶν μελιττῶν ἡγεμών. See also Pöhlmann Gesch. d. ant. Komm. p. 134 note

ἀμφοτέρων : “et publicorum negotiorum et philosophiae” Stallbaum. Cf. Gorg. 485 A ἀλλ), ο<*>μαι, τὸ ὀρθότατόν ἐστιν ἀμφοτέρων μετασχεῖν. Is the θεωρητικός or the πρακτικὸς βίος the better? It is clear that the subject was often debated in Plato's time: see the fragments of Euripides' Antiope in Pl. Gorg. 484 E ff. and Arist. Eth. Nic. I 3. 1095^{b} 17 ff., X 7. 1177^{a} 12 ff. If we contrast them with each other, Plato would reply, the θεωρητικός easily wins the prize, but under the existing conditions of human nature the best life is a combination of both. The practical statesman must derive his inspiration from θεωρία, and experience of affairs is an advantage as well as a duty to the thinker. Cf. VI 496 D—497 A notes

ξυνεθιζόμενοι κτλ. Cf. 518 A note

εἴδωλα . 517 D note The word is here used quite generally of all the idols of Plato's cave. “We have risen to a point of view from which the σκευαστά and the σκιαί are included under one notion as εἴδωλα” (J. and C.).

ὕπαρ κτλ. Cf. V 476 C. The Homeric line οὐκ ὄναρ, ἀλλ) ὕπαρ <*>σθλόν, ὅ τοι τετελεσμένον ἔσται ( Od. 19. 547) is in Plato's mind, though ὕπαρ and ὄναρ are here adverbial accusatives (cf. Cobet V. L.^{2} pp. 523 ff.).

σκιαμαχούντων : ‘fighting about shadows.’ See 517 D note and cf. IX 586 C note Dreamland is also shadowland.

ἐν πόλει ᾗ κτλ. On ᾗ for ἐν ᾗ see note on ἐν ἅπασιν οἶς ἔστι III 402 A. Van Cleef ( de attr. in enunt. rel. usu Plat. p. 46) explains the construction as equivalent to ἐν ᾗ πόλει, comparing Men. 96 C , which is however (like Tim. 45 D ) only an example of inverse attraction.

ταύτην : an anacoluthon, as in VI 510 E. For the sentiment see I 347 D note

σχοῦσαν =‘which gets’: a gnomic aorist participle. See Goodwin MT. p. 55. Richards conjectures ἔχουσαν, and ἴσχουσαν (which appears in the margin of A) has slight MS authority; but the inchoative sense (516 E note) is better suited to οἱ μέλλοντες ἄρξειν.

ἕκαστοι . The plural implies relays of governors relieving one another from time to time: cf. ἑκάστοις in 540 B.

μετ’ ἀλλήλων κτλ. “Far from the madding crowd's ignoble strife.” ἐν τῷ καθαρῷ means ‘in the undefiled.’ The phrase is half-mystical, as καθαρόν constantly is in Plato. It is natural to think of the myth of the Phaedo (109 B ff. αὐτὴν δὲ τὴν γῆν καθαρὰν ἐν καθαρῷ κεῖσθαι τῷ οὐρανῷ), but we should not translate “sub divo” (Ast), nor even “auf der reinen Höhe” (Schneider). Either version is too precise, and ἐν καθαρῷ does not mean sub divo even in Homer. The Ideas in Plato are τὸ καθαρόν: see Phaed. 79 D ἐκεῖσε οἴχεται εἰς τὸ καθαρόν τε καὶ ἀεὶ ὂν καὶ ἀθάνατον καὶ ὡσαύτως ἔχον.

παντὸς μὴν κτλ. The πόλις ἀνδρῶν ἀγαθῶν has now been found. That Plato intended to recal the prophecy of I 347 D is clear from the verbal echoes between the two passages. On the absence of the preposition before τὸ ἄρχειν see VIII 553 B note