Plato Republic 6.488

Paul Shorey (Translator)

Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.

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Notes on the current edition

Republic

1. The word γλίσχρως is untranslatable, and often misunderstood. In 553 C it means stingily; in Cratyl. 414 C it is used of a strained etymology, and so in 435 C, usually misunderstood; in Crito 53 E of clinging to life; Cf. Phaedo 117 A; in Plutarch, De Is. et Osir. 28 of a strained allegory and ibid. 75 of a strained resemblance; in Aristoph. Peace 482 of a dog.
2. Cf. Laws 747 B.
3. Cf. Horace, Ars Poetica, init.; What Plato Said, p. 550 on Phaedr. 229 D-E, and 588 c f. The expression is still used, or revived, in Modern Greek newspapers.
4. The syntax of this famous allegory is anacoluthic and perhaps uncertain: but there need be no doubt about the meaning. Cf. my article in the Classical Review, xx. ( 1906) p. 247. Huxley commends the Allegory, Methods and Results, p. 313. Cf. also Carlyle’s famous metaphor of the ship doubling Cape Horn by ballot. Cf. Class. Phil. ix. ( 1914) p. 362.
5. The Athenian demos, as portrayed e.g. in Aristophanes’ Knights 40 ff. and passim. Cf. Aristot. Rhet. 1406 b 35
καὶ ἡ εἰς τὸν δῆμον, ὅτι ὅμοιος ναυκλήρῳ ἰσχυρῷ μὲν ὑποκώφῳ δέ
, Polyb.vi. 44
ἀεὶ γάρ ποτε τὸν τῶν Ἀθηναίων δῆμον παραπλήσιον εἶναι τοῖς ἀδεσπότοις σκάφεσι
, etc. Cf. the old sailor in Joseph Conrad’s Chance, ch. i.
No ship navigated . . . in the happy-go-lucky manner . . . would ever arrive into port.
For the figure of the ship of state Cf. Polit. 302 A ff., 299 B, Euthydem. 291 D, Aesch. Seven against Thebes 2-3, Theognis 670-685, Horace, Odes i. 15 with my note, Urwick, The Message of Plato, pp. 110-111, Ruskin, Time and Tide, xiii:
That the governing authority should be in the hands of a true and trained pilot is as clear and as constant. In none of these conditions is there any difference between a nation and a boat’s company.
Cf. Longfellow’s The Building of the Ship, in fine. Cf. Laws 758 A, 945 C. For the criticism of democracy by a figure cf. also Polit. 297 E ff.
6. Cf. Aristoph. Knights 42-44.
7. Cf. 390 C, 426 D, 498 B, Theaetet. 167 B, and Milton’s
unknown and like esteemed,
Comus 630.
8. For this and similar checks on pretenders to knowledge Cf. Laches 185 E, 186 A and C, Alc. I. 109 D and Gorg. 514 B-C.
9. Plato of course believed that virtue or the political art can be taught in a reformed state, but practically was not taught at Athens . Cf. Unity of Plato’s Thought, p. 14, on 518 D, What Plato Said, pp. 70 and 511, Newman, Introd. Aristot. Pol. p. 397, Thompson on Meno 70 A.
10. A hint of the fate of Socrates. Cf. 517 A, 494 E and Euthyphro 3 E.
11. The participle περικεχυμένους occurs in Polit. 268 C, but is avoided here by anacoluthon.
12. For the idiom πάντα ποιεῖν Cf. Euthyph. 8 C, 504 D-E, 471 C, 575 E, 494 E, Gorg. 479 C, Phaedr. 252 E, Apol. 39 A, and, slightly varied, Eurip. Heracleidae 841.
13. The word ἐκβάλλοντας helps the obvious allegory, for it also means banish.
14. Here figurative. Cf. Gorg. 482 E, Theaet. 165 E. Infra 615 E it is used literally.
15. Cf. Polit. 297 E. The expression is slightly ironical. Such is frequently the tone of γενναῖος in Plato. Cf. Rep. 454 A, 363 A, 544 C, 348 C Hipp. Min. 370 D, Soph. 231 B, Hipp. Maj. 290 , Polit. 274 E.
16. Cf. Polit. 302 A, Laws 906 E, Jebb on Soph. Antig. 189-190.
17. Cf. 407 D with Thucyd. iv. 26, vi 69, vii. 25.
18. Cf. 427 E, Laws 905 C, Eryx. 396 E, Aristoph. Knights 229.
19. Neither here nor in D-E can ὅπως with the future mean in what way, and all interpretations based on that refers to getting control. Cf. 338 E, Laws 757 D, 714 C, 962 D-E, Xen. Rep. Lac. 14. 5. Cf. Class. Phil. ix.( 1914) pp. 358 and 362.
20. For τὸν δὲ μὴ τοιοῦτον Cf. Alc. II. 145 C.
21. The ppl. must refer to the sailors; hence the acc. (see crit. note). Whatever the text and the amount of probable anacoluthon in this sentence, the meaning is that the unruly sailors (the mob) have no true conception of the state of mind of the real pilot (the philosophic statesman), and that it is he (adopting Sidgwick’s οἰομένῳ for the MS. οἰόμενοι in E) who does not believe that the trick of getting possession of the helm is an art, or that, if it were, he could afford time to practise it. Those who read οἰόμενοι attribute the idea of the incompatibility of the two things to the sailors. But that overlooks the points I have already made about ὅπως, and τέχνη and is in any case improbable, because the sentence as a whole is concerned with the attitude of the true pilot (statesman), which may be represented by the words of Burke to his constituents, I could hardly serve you as I have done and court you too. Cf. Sidgwick, On a Passage in Plato’s Republic, Journal of Philology, v. pp. 274-276, and my notes in A.J.P. xiii. p. 364 and xvi. p. 234.
22. For the force of the article cf. Thucyd. ii. 65
τὸ ἐπίφθονον λαμβάνει
, and my article in T.A.P.A. 1893, p. 81, n. 6. Cf. also Charm. 156 E and Rep. 496 E.
23. ὅπως . . . κυβερνήσει. Cf. p. 20, note h.
24. The translation gives the right meaning. Cf. 518 D, and the examples collected in my emendation of Gorgias 503 D in Class. Phil. x. ( 1915) 325-326. The contrast between subjects which do and those which do not admit of constitution as an art and science is ever present to Plato’s mind, as appears from the Sophist, Politicus, Gorgias, and Phaedrus. And he would normally express the idea by a genitive with τέχνη. Cf. Protag. 357 A, Phaedrus 260 E, also Class. Rev. xx. ( 1906) p. 247. See too Cic. De or. I. 4
neque aliquod praeceptum artis esse arbitrarentur,
and 518 D.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Republic (Plato. The Republic, Vol 1-2. Adam, James, editor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-1903.) focus

ὡς γλίσχρως εἰκάζω : ‘how greedy I am of parables’ (lit. ‘how greedily I make parables), not (as J. and C.) ‘what a poor hand I am’ at similes, an interpretation which deprives ἔτι μᾶλλον of all its force. γλίσχρος (connected with γλία ‘glue’ and γλίχομαι) is used as in Ar. Ach. 452 γλίσχρος προσαιτῶν λιπαρῶν τε. ‘Niggardly,’ ‘stingy’ is a secondary meaning, as for example in VIII 553 C and Crat. 414 C . The idea is that a man must be greedy of similes when he runs all over the world to find one ( ἐκ πολλῶν ξυναγαγεῖν). αὐτό should be taken with εἰκάζοντα, by an easy hyperbaton.

τραγελάφους and similar fantastic creations were of frequent occurrence in Oriental art. The word is fully illustrated by Blaydes on Ar. Frogs 937 .

μιγνύντες should be taken with γράφουσι: ‘as painters paint goat-stags and the like by fusing creatures together.’

τοιουτουὶ κτλ. There is no occasion to read τοιοῦτόν τι: see III 388 D note For γενόμενον Richards would write γιγνόμενον, because of ὁρῶντα etc. in B ff. and γιγνομένων in 488 E. But Plato rightly asks us to conceive of the completed scene, although the scene itself must of course be described by present participles.

ναύκληρον κτλ. The ναύκληρος is the Demos, as Aristotle observed ( Rhet. III 4. 1406^{b} 35): cf. also Olympiodorus Proleg. 27 ed. Hermann. Cope on Arist. l.c. erroneously asserts that the ναύκληρος is the ‘governor or governors of the unruly mob of citizens’; and Windelband's identification of the ναύκληρος with the younger Dionysius is a strange freak of fancy: see Hirmer Entsteh. u. Komp. etc. p. 620. As the ναύκληρος owned his own ship (II 371 B note), it is right that the Demos should be ναύκληρος in a democracy. For the frequent comparison of the State to a ship in Greek literature see Smyth's Gk. Melic Poets p. 215. With ὑπόκωφος cf. Ar. Knights 42 , 43 Δῆμος πυκνίτης, δύσκολον γερόντιον ὑπόκωφον and Blaydes ad loc. Plato's picture of the Δῆμος is not unamiable: cf. 499 E ff. Though unwieldy, sluggish, and dullwitted (cf. Ap. 30 E ὑπὸ μεγέθους δὲ νωθεστέρῳ καὶ δεομένῳ ἐγείρεσθαι ὑπὸ μύωπός τινος), he is placid, and not deliberately vicious. It is the δημαγωγοί (in the widest sense of the term, including demagogues, sophists etc.), and not the δῆμος who are here attacked. With μεγέθει καὶ ῥώμῃ cf. μεγάλου καὶ ἰσχυροῦ 493 A.

μήτε μαθόντα ‐‐ ἐμάνθανεν . See V 473 C note and Xen. Mem. IV 2. 4 —7. Politics, according to both Socrates and Plato, is a science: see especially Mem. III 9. 11. The heaviest count in their indictment of Athenian democracy was its practical denial of this fact.

φάσκοντας κτλ. The thesis that ‘Politics cannot be taught’ was (in Plato's view) the theoretical basis of Athenian political life: see Prot. 319 A —320 D. We are here invited to suppose that it was actually maintained in so many words by sophists, demagogues, and others. Something of the sort is asserted by Isocrates adv. Soph. 14, 21; but it is unlikely that Plato is alluding to Isocrates in particular, as Teichmüller supposes ( Lit. Fehd. I p. 104).

τὸν λέγοντα κτλ. as Socrates and Plato constantly did. ἑτοίμους κατατέμνειν admirably expresses the vindictive fury of the insulted demagogues, but should not be taken as an allusion to Socrates' fate. Plato felt his master's death too deeply to exaggerate on such a subject. See VII 517 A note

αὐτῷ is ejected by Herwerden “quod omni vi caret.” Bywater ( J. Ph. X p. 73) proposes αὖ. The translators for the most part ignore the word, except Schneider, who translates ‘him, the master of the ship.’ Perhaps αὐτῷ is ‘by himself,’ ipsi in the sense of soli, as in αὐτοὶ γάρ ἐσμεν, and we should translate ‘while they themselves constantly swarm around the solitary master of the ship.’ Failing this explanation we must follow Schneider; unless we venture to take αὐτῷ in the sense of ‘the Master’ (cf. I 327 B note) and regard τῷ ναυκλήρῳ as an explanatory gloss. On the whole I am inclined to think that Schneider is right.

περικεχύσθαι : an anacoluthon, like ἄρχειν and πλεῖν below: we should expect περικεχυμένους. For a parallel see Laws 686 A. Here, doubtless, the change of construction is in order to avoid too many participles.

ἀποκτεινύντας . On the orthography of this word see Introd. § 5. ἀποκτεινῦντας ( sic) in v and Vind. F may also be a trace of the spelling with ει. The reference in ἀποκτεινύντας ἢ ἐκβάλλοντας is of course to the slaying or banishment of rival candidates for office: cf. Gorg. 466 B .

μανδραγόρᾳ κτλ. False rulers dull the senses of the Demos by the opiate of Pleasure, and so escape detection. With μανδραγόρᾳ cf. [Dem.] Phil. 4. 6 ἀλλὰ μάνδραγόραν πεπωκόσιν ἤ τι φάρμακον ἄλλο τοιοῦτον ἐοίκαμεν ἀνθρώποις.

πίνοντάς τε κτλ. They are the ἑστιάτορας εὐδαίμονας of IV 421 B, where see note. For ὡς τὸ εἰκός Cobet writes ὡς εἰκός, and so also Herwerden, who suggests as an alternative that we should bracket τοὺς τοιούτους. The expression ὡς εἰκός would refer to πίνοντάς τε καὶ εὐωχουμένους (“and pass their time at sea in drinking and feasting, as you might expect with such a crew” D. and V.); but with ὡς τὸ εἰκός (sc. πλεῖν) the meaning is “make just such a voyage as might be expected of men like them” (J. and C. with Schneider, comparing Pol. 302 A and Laws 906 D), i.e. make shipwreck.

ἐπαινοῦντας is omitted by Cobet, but (as Richards points out) ψέγοντας supports it. Richards would transpose and read μὲν ναυτικόν. But ναυτικὸν μὲν καλοῦντας etc. is only an explanatory reduplication of ἐπαινοῦντας: hence μέν is placed where it would have been if ἐπαινοῦντας had been omitted. In any other position it would have failed to mark the antithesis between ναυτικόν (with its companion epithets) and ἄχρηστον. For the rhetorical asyndeton cf. II 362 B note An alternative (less good) is to take ἐπαινοῦντας as logically subordinate to καλοῦντας (‘in awarding praise they call’ etc.).

ὃς ἂν ξυλλαμβάνειν κτλ. Jackson suggests that Isocrates is intended ( Proceedings of the Camb. Phil. Soc. XI 1882, p. 13). Possibly: but for my own part I do not think the description is sufficiently apposite to justify the identification.

ἐπαΐοντες . I should adopt the accusative with Stallbaum and others were it not for οἰόμενοι. Schneider is fully justified in saying “si Plato ἐπαΐοντες scripserat et οἰόμενοι, fieri vix poterat, quin prius vitiosum quibusdam et in accusativum mutandum videretur: alterum ipsa distantia tutum erat.” This is precisely what has happened, for while q (with some other MSS, but not Π or Ξ) has ἐπαΐοντας, all the MSS, without exception, have οἰόμενοι. The anacoluthon is not harsher than other instances in which the best MSS have the nominative of the participle instead of the accusative, e.g. Phaedr. 241 D , Soph. 219 E , Laws 885 D, Phaed. 81 A . See also Classen on Thuc. II 53. 4, where many parallel instances are quoted from Thucydides. A long and unperiodic sentence like the present is peculiarly liable to anacolutha: and one has occurred already in 488 C. For these reasons I now agree with Schneider and others that the text is sound. The nominatives πείθοντες and βιαζόμενοι may have suggested the change to Plato: “ ψέγοντας propter ἐπαινοῦντας tenuit, mox velut impatiens tenoris diu servati paullisper de via deflexit” (Schneider). Similar ungrammatical anacolutha are found occasionally also in Inscriptions, when the sentence runs to a considerable length: see Meisterhans^{3} pp. 203, 205.

ὅπως δὲ...κυβερνητικήν . The sailors, Plato has already told us, have not the smallest idea that the true pilot must study the year and the seasons etc., if he is to be truly qualified to rule a ship (that is to say, from Plato's point of view, if he is to know how to steer), but as for how he shall steer—let people wish him to or no—of that they think it impossible to acquire either art or study and therewith (lit. ‘at-once-and’) the art of steersmanship. We may translate the sentence thus: ‘but art or system of how to steer, let alone whether people wish him to steer or no—that they think it impossible to acquire, and therewithal the art of steering.’ The true pilot, according to Plato, is one who knows how to steer. Whether others wish him to steer or no, is wholly irrelevant; see Pol. 293 A ff., where this principle is declared to be of universal application, and illustrated as follows from the case of doctors: ἰατροὺς δὲ οὐχ ἥκιστα νενομίκαμεν, ἐάν τε ἑκόντας ἐάν τε ἄκοντας ἡμᾶς ἰῶνται— πάντως οὐδὲν ἧττον ἰατρούς φαμεν, ἕωσπερ ἂν ἐπιστατοῦντες τέχνῃ—σῴζωσιν οἱ θεραπεύοντες ἕκαστοι τὰ θεραπευόμενα. Cf. ibid. C ἀναγκαῖον δὴ καὶ πολιτειῶν— ταύτην ὀρθὴν διαφερόντως εἶναι καὶ μόνην πολιτείαν, ἐν ᾗ τις ἂν εὑρίσκοι τοὺς ἄρχοντας ἀληθῶς ἐπιστήμονας καὶ οὐ δοκοῦντας μόνον, ἐάν τε κατὰ νόμους ἐάν τε ἄνευ νόμων ἄρχωσι, καὶ ἑκόντων καὶ ἀκόντων κτλ. The expressions ἐάν τε ἑκόντας ἐάν τε ἄκοντας, and καὶ ἑκόντων καὶ ἀκόντων in these two passages, the general drift of which is the same as Plato's argument throughout this part of the Republic, exactly correspond to ἐάν τέ τινες βούλωνται ἐάν τε μή, and enable us to interpret that clause, as Schneider has already pointed out. Cf. also 296 E— 297 B. Plato, indeed, is ready to go farther still, and would maintain that he who knows how to steer is a true pilot, even although he does not touch the helm (cf. ibid. 292 E). If others wish for his services, it is their business to apply to him, not his to sue for the opportunity of doing them a service (infra 489 B, C). A like principle holds good in the government of cities, and the Platonic Socrates, though abstaining from political life, may fairly claim ἐπιχειρεῖν τῇ ὡς ἀληθῶς πολιτικῇ τέχνῃ καὶ πράττειν τὰ πολιτικὰ μόνος τῶν νῦν ( Gorg. 521 D ). The foolish sailors, on the other hand, desire only to get the helm into their hands (488 C): how to handle it, they know not, and deny that it is possible to learn ( μήτε τέχνην— λαβεῖν). What of ἅμα καὶ τὴν κυβερνητικήν? These words should be taken closely with what goes before. The literal translation is (to acquire) ‘at once and the art of steering’: cf. Phil. 22 D ὁ βίος οὗτος γέγονεν αἱρετὸς ἅμα καὶ ἀγαθός ‘this life is at once choiceworthy and good.’ Now ‘to acquire at once the art of how to steer ( ὅπως κυβερνήσει, τούτου τέχνην) and the art of steering’ is merely a way of saying ‘to acquire the art of how to steer and therewith the art of steering.’ He who learns the art and study of how to steer necessarily learns therewith the art of steering (“quarum qui compos factus sit, simul gubernatoriam artem teneat” Schneider): for κυβερνητική is, according to Plato, simply and solely the art of how to steer. τὴν κυβερνητικήν, in short, is nothing but the τέχνη and μελέτη τούτου ὅπως κυβερνήσει, expressed from Plato's point of view. Thus in denying that it is possible to learn either τέχνη or μελέτη of how to steer, the sailors are in effect emphatically denying that it is possible to learn κυβερνητική in Plato's sense of the word at all: cf. 488 B φάσκοντες μηδὲ διδακτὸν εἶναι. So much for the meaning of this passage as a whole. In regard to details, it should be noted that ὅπως means ‘how’: ‘ ὅπως ad τούτου spectans modum et rationem potius quam finem significat’ (after Schneider). With Schneider also I understand κυβερνήσει as ‘shall steer’ and not ‘shall get possession of the helm.’ μελέτη is ‘study’ (in the more concrete sense of the word), rather than actual exercise or practice: cf. III 402 B ἔστι τῆς αὐτῆς τέχνης τε καὶ μελέτης. With τέχνην λαβεῖν cf. Pol. 300 E .

οἰόμενοι . οἰομένους is read by Stallbaum and others, but see note on line 25.

μετεωροσκόπον κτλ. A frequent taunt: cf. e.g. Pol. 299 B μετεωρολόγον, ἀδολέσχην τινὰ σοφιστήν, Phaedr. 270 A , Parm. 135 D , Ap. 18 B , Isocrates adv. Soph. 8, Antid. 262, and Ar. Clouds 228 , 1480 with Blaydes' note. The implication is that ὁ μετεωροσκόπος is blind to τὰ ἐν ποσίν: cf. Theaet. 174 A . Cobet revives Porson's conjecture μετεωροκόπον (after μετεωροκοπεῖς in Ar. Peace 92 ), but the text is perfectly good: cf. μετεωρολέσχας in 489 C.