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Nay, most necessary, he said.
Is there any fault, then, that you can find with a pursuit which a man could not properly practise unless he were by nature of good memory, quick apprehension, magnificent,
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gracious, friendly and akin to truth, justice, bravery and sobriety?
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himself, he said,
could not find fault with such a combination.
Well, then, said I,
when men of this sort are perfected by education and maturity of age, would you not entrust the state solely to them?
And Adeimantus said, No one, Socrates, 487b would be able to controvert these statements of yours. But, all the same, those who occasionally hear you 3 argue thus feel in this way 4 : They think that owing to their inexperience in the game of question and answer 5 they are at every question led astray 6 a little bit by the argument, and when these bits are accumulated at the conclusion of the discussion mighty is their fall 7 and the apparent contradiction of what they at first said 8 ; and that just as by expert draught-players 9 the unskilled are finally shut in and cannot make a move, 487c so they are finally blocked and have their mouths stopped by this other game of draughts played not with counters but with words; yet the truth is not affected by that outcome. 10 I say this with reference to the present case, for in this instance one might say that he is unable in words to contend against you at each question, but that when it comes to facts 11 he sees that of those who turn to philosophy, 12 not merely touching upon it to complete their education 13 487d and dropping it while still young, but lingering too long 14 in the study of it, the majority become cranks, 15 not to say rascals, and those accounted the finest spirits among them are still rendered useless 16 to society by the pursuit 17 which you commend. And I, on hearing this, said, Do you think that they are mistaken in saying so? I don’t know, said he, 487e but I would gladly hear your opinion. You may hear, then, that I think that what they say is true. How, then, he replied, can it be right to say that our cities will never be freed from their evils until the philosophers, whom we admit to be useless to them, become their rulers? Your question, I said, requires an answer expressed in a comparison or parable. 18 And you, he said, of course, are not accustomed to speak in comparisons!
And Adeimantus said, No one, Socrates, 487b would be able to controvert these statements of yours. But, all the same, those who occasionally hear you 3 argue thus feel in this way 4 : They think that owing to their inexperience in the game of question and answer 5 they are at every question led astray 6 a little bit by the argument, and when these bits are accumulated at the conclusion of the discussion mighty is their fall 7 and the apparent contradiction of what they at first said 8 ; and that just as by expert draught-players 9 the unskilled are finally shut in and cannot make a move, 487c so they are finally blocked and have their mouths stopped by this other game of draughts played not with counters but with words; yet the truth is not affected by that outcome. 10 I say this with reference to the present case, for in this instance one might say that he is unable in words to contend against you at each question, but that when it comes to facts 11 he sees that of those who turn to philosophy, 12 not merely touching upon it to complete their education 13 487d and dropping it while still young, but lingering too long 14 in the study of it, the majority become cranks, 15 not to say rascals, and those accounted the finest spirits among them are still rendered useless 16 to society by the pursuit 17 which you commend. And I, on hearing this, said, Do you think that they are mistaken in saying so? I don’t know, said he, 487e but I would gladly hear your opinion. You may hear, then, that I think that what they say is true. How, then, he replied, can it be right to say that our cities will never be freed from their evils until the philosophers, whom we admit to be useless to them, become their rulers? Your question, I said, requires an answer expressed in a comparison or parable. 18 And you, he said, of course, are not accustomed to speak in comparisons!
Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.
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