Aristophanes, Clouds, ed. F. W. Hall, ed. William M. Geldart, 1437

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Στρεψιάδης

ἐμοὶ μὲν ὦνδρες ἥλικες δοκεῖ λέγειν δίκαια·

κἄμοιγε συγχωρεῖν δοκεῖ τούτοισι τἀπιεικῆ.

κλάειν γὰρ ἡμᾶς εἰκός ἐστʼ, ἢν μὴ δίκαια δρῶμεν.

Φειδιππίδης

σκέψαι δὲ χἀτέραν ἔτι γνώμην.
1440

Στρεψιάδης

ἀπὸ γὰρ

Φειδιππίδης

καὶ μὴν ἴσως γʼ οὐκ ἀχθέσει παθὼν ἃ νῦν πέπονθας.

Στρεψιάδης

πῶς δή; δίδαξον γὰρ τί μʼ ἐκ τούτων ἐπωφελήσεις.

Φειδιππίδης

τὴν μητέρʼ ὥσπερ καὶ σὲ τυπτήσω.

Στρεψιάδης

τί φῄς, τί φῂς σύ;

τοῦθʼ ἕτερον αὖ μεῖζον κακόν.

Φειδιππίδης

τί δʼ ἢν ἔχων τὸν ἥττω

Clouds. Aristophanes. ed. F. W. Hall, ed. William M. Geldart. Oxford. 1906.

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Νεφέλαι (Greek) (Aristophanes. Aristophanis Comoediae, Vol. 1. Hall, F. W. and Geldart, William M., editors. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1906.)

Translations (2)

Clouds Perseus (Aristophanes. The Comedies of Aristophanes, Vol. I. Hickie, William James, translator. Bohn: London, 1853.) — 1437 focus

Strepsiades.

To me, indeed, O comrades, he seems to speak justly; and I think we ought to concede to them what is fitting. For it is proper that we should weep, if we do not act justly.

Phidippides.

Consider still another maxim.
1440

Strepsiades.

No; for I shall perish if I do.

Phidippides.

And yet perhaps you will not be vexed at suffering what you now suffer.

Strepsiades.

How, pray? For inform me what good you will do me by this.

Phidippides.

I will beat my mother, just as I have you.

Strepsiades.

What do you say? What do you say? This other, again, is a greater wickedness.

Phidippides.

But what if, having the worst Cause,

English (Sanjaya, generated; selected passages) (OCR draft) Experimental (Source: pnadelofficial/aristophanes-sanjaya, commit c319590c139e5603e71f0699caa0663d823af8ad. Machine-generated source annotations retained; see Sanjaya import audit for coverage and limitations.) — 1437 focus

Strepsiades: And so, men of my own age, it seems to me that he speaks justly;

Strepsiades: And to me too it seems that one should make allowances for these things.

Strepsiades: For it is likely that we should weep, unless we do what is just.

Pheidippides: consider yet another thought as well.

1440

Strepsiades: For from

Pheidippides: And indeed, perhaps you will not be annoyed having suffered what you are now suffering.

Strepsiades: How so? For tell me, how will you benefit me from these things.

Pheidippides: I will strike your mother just as I struck you.

Strepsiades: What do you say, what do you say, you?

Strepsiades: This is another, even greater evil.

Pheidippides: 'But what was he holding, the weaker one?'

Aristophanes Clouds 1437

ed. F. W. Hall, ed. William M. Geldart

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Στρεψιάδης

ἐμοὶ μὲν ὦνδρες ἥλικες δοκεῖ λέγειν δίκαια·

κἄμοιγε συγχωρεῖν δοκεῖ τούτοισι τἀπιεικῆ.

κλάειν γὰρ ἡμᾶς εἰκός ἐστʼ, ἢν μὴ δίκαια δρῶμεν.

Φειδιππίδης

σκέψαι δὲ χἀτέραν ἔτι γνώμην.
1440

Στρεψιάδης

ἀπὸ γὰρ

Φειδιππίδης

καὶ μὴν ἴσως γʼ οὐκ ἀχθέσει παθὼν ἃ νῦν πέπονθας.

Στρεψιάδης

πῶς δή; δίδαξον γὰρ τί μʼ ἐκ τούτων ἐπωφελήσεις.

Φειδιππίδης

τὴν μητέρʼ ὥσπερ καὶ σὲ τυπτήσω.

Στρεψιάδης

τί φῄς, τί φῂς σύ;

τοῦθʼ ἕτερον αὖ μεῖζον κακόν.

Φειδιππίδης

τί δʼ ἢν ἔχων τὸν ἥττω

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Strepsiades.

To me, indeed, O comrades, he seems to speak justly; and I think we ought to concede to them what is fitting. For it is proper that we should weep, if we do not act justly.

Phidippides.

Consider still another maxim.
1440

Strepsiades.

No; for I shall perish if I do.

Phidippides.

And yet perhaps you will not be vexed at suffering what you now suffer.

Strepsiades.

How, pray? For inform me what good you will do me by this.

Phidippides.

I will beat my mother, just as I have you.

Strepsiades.

What do you say? What do you say? This other, again, is a greater wickedness.

Phidippides.

But what if, having the worst Cause,

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Στρεψιάδης ἐμοὶ μὲν ὦνδρες ἥλικες δοκεῖ λέγειν δίκαια· κἄμοιγε συγχωρεῖν δοκεῖ τούτοισι τἀπιεικῆ. κλάειν γὰρ ἡμᾶς εἰκός ἐστʼ, ἢν μὴ δίκαια δρῶμεν.

Φειδιππίδης σκέψαι δὲ χἀτέραν ἔτι γνώμην. 1440

Στρεψιάδης ἀπὸ γὰρ

Φειδιππίδης καὶ μὴν ἴσως γʼ οὐκ ἀχθέσει παθὼν ἃ νῦν πέπονθας.

Στρεψιάδης πῶς δή; δίδαξον γὰρ τί μʼ ἐκ τούτων ἐπωφελήσεις.

Φειδιππίδης τὴν μητέρʼ ὥσπερ καὶ σὲ τυπτήσω.

Στρεψιάδης τί φῄς, τί φῂς σύ; τοῦθʼ ἕτερον αὖ μεῖζον κακόν.

Φειδιππίδης τί δʼ ἢν ἔχων τὸν ἥττω

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Strepsiades. To me, indeed, O comrades, he seems to speak justly; and I think we ought to concede to them what is fitting. For it is proper that we should weep, if we do not act justly.

Phidippides. Consider still another maxim. 1440

Strepsiades. No; for I shall perish if I do.

Phidippides. And yet perhaps you will not be vexed at suffering what you now suffer.

Strepsiades. How, pray? For inform me what good you will do me by this.

Phidippides. I will beat my mother, just as I have you.

Strepsiades. What do you say? What do you say? This other, again, is a greater wickedness.

Phidippides. But what if, having the worst Cause,

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Στρεψιάδης

ἐμοὶ μὲν ὦνδρες ἥλικες δοκεῖ λέγειν δίκαια·

κἄμοιγε συγχωρεῖν δοκεῖ τούτοισι τἀπιεικῆ.

κλάειν γὰρ ἡμᾶς εἰκός ἐστʼ, ἢν μὴ δίκαια δρῶμεν.

Φειδιππίδης

σκέψαι δὲ χἀτέραν ἔτι γνώμην.
1440

Στρεψιάδης

ἀπὸ γὰρ

Φειδιππίδης

καὶ μὴν ἴσως γʼ οὐκ ἀχθέσει παθὼν ἃ νῦν πέπονθας.

Στρεψιάδης

πῶς δή; δίδαξον γὰρ τί μʼ ἐκ τούτων ἐπωφελήσεις.

Φειδιππίδης

τὴν μητέρʼ ὥσπερ καὶ σὲ τυπτήσω.

Στρεψιάδης

τί φῄς, τί φῂς σύ;

τοῦθʼ ἕτερον αὖ μεῖζον κακόν.

Φειδιππίδης

τί δʼ ἢν ἔχων τὸν ἥττω

Strepsiades.

To me, indeed, O comrades, he seems to speak justly; and I think we ought to concede to them what is fitting. For it is proper that we should weep, if we do not act justly.

Phidippides.

Consider still another maxim.
1440

Strepsiades.

No; for I shall perish if I do.

Phidippides.

And yet perhaps you will not be vexed at suffering what you now suffer.

Strepsiades.

How, pray? For inform me what good you will do me by this.

Phidippides.

I will beat my mother, just as I have you.

Strepsiades.

What do you say? What do you say? This other, again, is a greater wickedness.

Phidippides.

But what if, having the worst Cause,