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Pylades

Ask me now of my state; for I too am ruined.

Orestes

By whom? This would be a further trouble to add to mine.

Pylades

Strophius, my father, in a fit of anger, has banished me from his house.
765

Orestes

Bringing against you a private charge, or one in which the citizens share?

Pylades

He says it is an unholy crime to have helped you slay your mother.

Orestes

Alas! It seems my troubles will cause you grief as well.

Pylades

I am not like Menelaus in character; this must be endured.

Orestes

Are you not afraid that Argos will desire your death as well as mine?
770

Pylades

I am not theirs to punish; I belong to Phocis .

Orestes

A terrible thing is the mob, whenever it has villains to lead it.

Pylades

But with honest leaders its counsels are always honest.

Orestes

Very well; we must consult together.

Pylades

About what necessity?

Orestes

Suppose I go and tell the citizens—
775

Pylades

That your action was just?

Orestes

In avenging my father?

Pylades

I am afraid they would be glad to catch you.

Orestes

Well, am I to crouch in fear and die without a word?

Pylades

That is cowardly.

Orestes

How then should I act?

Pylades

Suppose you stay here, what means of safety do you have?

Orestes

I have none.

Pylades

And if you go, is there any hope of escaping your troubles?

Orestes

There might be, possibly.
780

Pylades

Then that is better than staying.

Orestes

Then I will go.

Pylades

At least you die in this way, you will die more honorably.

Orestes

You are right; in this way I escape cowardice.

Pylades

Better than by staying.

Orestes

After all, my action was just.

Pylades

Pray that this may be the only view they take.

Orestes

Some one or two might pity me—

Pylades

Yes, your noble birth is a great point.

Orestes

Resenting my father’s death.
785

Pylades

That is all quite clear.

Orestes. Euripides. Edward P. Coleridge (Translator). London. 1891.

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Current edition Perseus

Orestes (English) (Euripides. The Plays of Euripides, Vol. II. Coleridge, Edward P., translator. London: George Bell and Sons, 1891. (Modernized by Perseus.))

Editions (1)

Ὀρέστης Perseus (Euripides. Euripidis Fabulae, Vol. III. Murray, Gilbert, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1913. (Reprinted 1920-1978)) — 763 focus

Πυλάδης

κἀμὲ νῦν ἐροῦ τί πάσχω· καὶ γὰρ αὐτὸς οἴχομαι.

Ὀρέστης

πρὸς τίνος; τοῦτʼ ἂν προσείη τοῖς ἐμοῖς κακοῖς κακόν.

Πυλάδης

Στρόφιος ἤλασέν μʼ ἀπʼ οἴκων φυγάδα θυμωθεὶς πατήρ.
765

Ὀρέστης

ἴδιον ἢ κοινὸν πολίταις ἐπιφέρων ἔγκλημά τι;

Πυλάδης

ὅτι συνηράμην φόνον σοι μητρός, ἀνόσιον λέγων.

Ὀρέστης

ὦ τάλας, ἔοικε καὶ σὲ τἀμὰ λυπήσειν κακά.

Πυλάδης

οὐχὶ Μενέλεω τρόποισι χρώμεθʼ· οἰστέον τάδε.

Ὀρέστης

οὐ φοβῇ μή σʼ Ἄργος ὥσπερ κἄμʼ ἀποκτεῖναι θέλῃ;
770

Πυλάδης

οὐ προσήκομεν κολάζειν τοῖσδε, Φωκέων δὲ γῇ.

Ὀρέστης

δεινὸν οἱ πολλοί, κακούργους ὅταν ἔχωσι προστάτας.

Πυλάδης

ἀλλʼ ὅταν χρηστοὺς λάβωσι, χρηστὰ βουλεύουσʼ ἀεί.

Ὀρέστης

εἶἑν. ἐς κοινὸν λέγειν χρή.

Πυλάδης

τίνος ἀναγκαίου πέρι;

Ὀρέστης

εἰ λέγοιμʼ ἀστοῖσιν ἐλθὼν —
775

Πυλάδης

ὡς ἔδρασας ἔνδικα;

Ὀρέστης

πατρὶ τιμωρῶν ἐμαυτοῦ;

Πυλάδης

μὴ λάβωσί σʼ ἄσμενοι.

Ὀρέστης

ἀλλʼ ὑποπτήξας σιωπῇ κατθάνω;

Πυλάδης

δειλὸν τόδε.

Ὀρέστης

πῶς ἂν οὖν δρῴην;

Πυλάδης

ἔχεις τινʼ, ἢν μένῃς, σωτηρίαν;

Ὀρέστης

οὐκ ἔχω.

Πυλάδης

μολόντι δʼ ἐλπίς ἐστι σωθῆναι κακῶν;

Ὀρέστης

εἰ τύχοι, γένοιτʼ ἄν.
780

Πυλάδης

οὐκοῦν τοῦτο κρεῖσσον ἢ μένειν.

Ὀρέστης

ἀλλὰ δῆτʼ ἔλθω.

Πυλάδης

θανὼν γοῦν ὧδε κάλλιον θανῇ.

Ὀρέστης

εὖ λέγεις· φεύγω τὸ δειλὸν τῇδε.

Πυλάδης

μᾶλλον ἢ μένων.

Ὀρέστης

καὶ τὸ πρᾶγμά γʼ ἔνδικόν μοι.

Πυλάδης

τῷ Δοκεῖν εὔχου μόνον.

Ὀρέστης

καί τις ἄν γέ μʼ οἰκτίσειε

Πυλάδης

μέγα γὰρ ἡ εὐγένειά σου.

Ὀρέστης

θάνατον ἀσχάλλων πατρῷον.
785

Πυλάδης

πάντα ταῦτʼ ἐν ὄμμασιν.

Translations (2)

Orestes (OCR draft) Experimental (Orestes. Robert Potter's English verse translation, first published in 1781–1783; text from the 1808 Oxford printing.)

No corresponding passage available

German (J. J. C. Donner, 1841; OCR review) (OCR draft) Experimental (Euripides. Deutsch in den Versmaßen der Urschrift. Volume 1, Heidelberg: C. F. Winter, 1841. Harvard OCR compared with an independent BSB copy. Native Donner verse citations, Murray reference cards, explicitly located notes and page facsimiles. Unresolved OCR, verse divisions, unlocated notes and printed errata are documented in the source review.) — 763 focus

Frage mich nun, was ich leide: denn verloren bin auch ich.
750

Drestes.

Du? Durch wen? Zu meinem Leide kommt hinzu dies neue Leid.

Pylades.

Strophios, mein Vater, trieb mich zurnend aus dem Hause fort.

Drestes.

Hatt' er selbst Etwas zu klagen? Klagte wider dich das

Volk?

Pylades.

Daß ich dir beim Mord geholfen, nennt er gottlos, frevelhaft.

Orestes.

Armer, meine Leiden, scheint es, bringen Gram auch über dich.
755

Pylades.

Nicht gesinnt, wie Menelaos, sind wir: tragen muß ich das.¹

Drestes.

Sorgst du nicht, daß Argos Bürger dich ermorden, so wie mich?

Pylades.

Argos kann uns nicht bestrafen; richten darf uns Phokis nur.

Orestes.

Schrecklich ist die Menge, wann sie bosgesinnte Führer hat.

Pylades.

hat sie gute sich erlesen, dann beschließt sie Gutes stets.
760

Drestes.

Gut: so müssen wir berathen.

Pylades.

Welches Unumgängliche?

Orestes.

Wenn ich Argos Burgern sage'-

Pylades.

Daß gerecht sei deine That?

Drestes.

Weil ich meinen Vater råchte -

Pylades.

Wird man unsanft dich empfahn.

Drestes.

Soll ich denn mich scheu verkriechend sterben?

Pylades.

Traun, das wäre feig.

Orestes.

Was beginn' ich?
765

Pylades.

Keine.

Hast du Hoffnung dich zu retten, wenn du bleibst?

Darfst du deiner Leiden Ende hoffen, wenn du gehst?

Drestes.

Wenn es sein soll, sei es.

Pylades.

Also besser gehen, als verziehn!

Drestes.

Geh' ich denn?

Pylades.

Und must du sterben: also stirbst du rühmlicher.

Drestes.

Auch gerecht ist meine Sache.

Pylades.

Daß man's glaube, flehe nur.

Drestes.

Wohl! Der Feigheit Hohn entflich' ich also.
770

Mehr, als wenn du bleibst.

Mein erbarmen wird sich Mancher -

Großes wirkt dein edler Stamm.

Orestes.

Und des Vaters Tod betrauern.

Pylades.

Wohlbekannt ist alles dies.

Drestes.

Geh' ich denn! Feig ist es, sterben ohne Ruhm.

Sollen wir es nicht der Schwester sagen?

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Pylades Ask me now of my state; for I too am ruined.

Orestes By whom? This would be a further trouble to add to mine.

Pylades Strophius, my father, in a fit of anger, has banished me from his house. 765

Orestes Bringing against you a private charge, or one in which the citizens share?

Pylades He says it is an unholy crime to have helped you slay your mother.

Orestes Alas! It seems my troubles will cause you grief as well.

Pylades I am not like Menelaus in character; this must be endured.

Orestes Are you not afraid that Argos will desire your death as well as mine? 770

Pylades I am not theirs to punish; I belong to Phocis .

Orestes A terrible thing is the mob, whenever it has villains to lead it.

Pylades But with honest leaders its counsels are always honest.

Orestes Very well; we must consult together.

Pylades About what necessity?

Orestes Suppose I go and tell the citizens— 775

Pylades That your action was just?

Orestes In avenging my father?

Pylades I am afraid they would be glad to catch you.

Orestes Well, am I to crouch in fear and die without a word?

Pylades That is cowardly.

Orestes How then should I act?

Pylades Suppose you stay here, what means of safety do you have?

Orestes I have none.

Pylades And if you go, is there any hope of escaping your troubles?

Orestes There might be, possibly. 780

Pylades Then that is better than staying.

Orestes Then I will go.

Pylades At least you die in this way, you will die more honorably.

Orestes You are right; in this way I escape cowardice.

Pylades Better than by staying.

Orestes After all, my action was just.

Pylades Pray that this may be the only view they take.

Orestes Some one or two might pity me—

Pylades Yes, your noble birth is a great point.

Orestes Resenting my father’s death. 785

Pylades That is all quite clear.

Current edition Perseus

Πυλάδης κἀμὲ νῦν ἐροῦ τί πάσχω· καὶ γὰρ αὐτὸς οἴχομαι.

Ὀρέστης πρὸς τίνος; τοῦτʼ ἂν προσείη τοῖς ἐμοῖς κακοῖς κακόν.

Πυλάδης Στρόφιος ἤλασέν μʼ ἀπʼ οἴκων φυγάδα θυμωθεὶς πατήρ. 765

Ὀρέστης ἴδιον ἢ κοινὸν πολίταις ἐπιφέρων ἔγκλημά τι;

Πυλάδης ὅτι συνηράμην φόνον σοι μητρός, ἀνόσιον λέγων.

Ὀρέστης ὦ τάλας, ἔοικε καὶ σὲ τἀμὰ λυπήσειν κακά.

Πυλάδης οὐχὶ Μενέλεω τρόποισι χρώμεθʼ· οἰστέον τάδε.

Ὀρέστης οὐ φοβῇ μή σʼ Ἄργος ὥσπερ κἄμʼ ἀποκτεῖναι θέλῃ; 770

Πυλάδης οὐ προσήκομεν κολάζειν τοῖσδε, Φωκέων δὲ γῇ.

Ὀρέστης δεινὸν οἱ πολλοί, κακούργους ὅταν ἔχωσι προστάτας.

Πυλάδης ἀλλʼ ὅταν χρηστοὺς λάβωσι, χρηστὰ βουλεύουσʼ ἀεί.

Ὀρέστης εἶἑν. ἐς κοινὸν λέγειν χρή.

Πυλάδης τίνος ἀναγκαίου πέρι;

Ὀρέστης εἰ λέγοιμʼ ἀστοῖσιν ἐλθὼν — 775

Πυλάδης ὡς ἔδρασας ἔνδικα;

Ὀρέστης πατρὶ τιμωρῶν ἐμαυτοῦ;

Πυλάδης μὴ λάβωσί σʼ ἄσμενοι.

Ὀρέστης ἀλλʼ ὑποπτήξας σιωπῇ κατθάνω;

Πυλάδης δειλὸν τόδε.

Ὀρέστης πῶς ἂν οὖν δρῴην;

Πυλάδης ἔχεις τινʼ, ἢν μένῃς, σωτηρίαν;

Ὀρέστης οὐκ ἔχω.

Πυλάδης μολόντι δʼ ἐλπίς ἐστι σωθῆναι κακῶν;

Ὀρέστης εἰ τύχοι, γένοιτʼ ἄν. 780

Πυλάδης οὐκοῦν τοῦτο κρεῖσσον ἢ μένειν.

Ὀρέστης ἀλλὰ δῆτʼ ἔλθω.

Πυλάδης θανὼν γοῦν ὧδε κάλλιον θανῇ.

Ὀρέστης εὖ λέγεις· φεύγω τὸ δειλὸν τῇδε.

Πυλάδης μᾶλλον ἢ μένων.

Ὀρέστης καὶ τὸ πρᾶγμά γʼ ἔνδικόν μοι.

Πυλάδης τῷ Δοκεῖν εὔχου μόνον.

Ὀρέστης καί τις ἄν γέ μʼ οἰκτίσειε

Πυλάδης μέγα γὰρ ἡ εὐγένειά σου.

Ὀρέστης θάνατον ἀσχάλλων πατρῷον. 785

Πυλάδης πάντα ταῦτʼ ἐν ὄμμασιν.

Frage mich nun, was ich leide: denn verloren bin auch ich. 750

Drestes. Du? Durch wen? Zu meinem Leide kommt hinzu dies neue Leid.

Pylades. Strophios, mein Vater, trieb mich zurnend aus dem Hause fort.

Drestes. Hatt' er selbst Etwas zu klagen? Klagte wider dich das Volk?

Pylades. Daß ich dir beim Mord geholfen, nennt er gottlos, frevelhaft.

Orestes. Armer, meine Leiden, scheint es, bringen Gram auch über dich. 755

Pylades. Nicht gesinnt, wie Menelaos, sind wir: tragen muß ich das. 1

Pylades

Ask me now of my state; for I too am ruined.

Orestes

By whom? This would be a further trouble to add to mine.

Pylades

Strophius, my father, in a fit of anger, has banished me from his house.
765

Orestes

Bringing against you a private charge, or one in which the citizens share?

Pylades

He says it is an unholy crime to have helped you slay your mother.

Orestes

Alas! It seems my troubles will cause you grief as well.

Pylades

I am not like Menelaus in character; this must be endured.

Orestes

Are you not afraid that Argos will desire your death as well as mine?
770

Pylades

I am not theirs to punish; I belong to Phocis .

Orestes

A terrible thing is the mob, whenever it has villains to lead it.

Pylades

But with honest leaders its counsels are always honest.

Orestes

Very well; we must consult together.

Pylades

About what necessity?

Orestes

Suppose I go and tell the citizens—
775

Pylades

That your action was just?

Orestes

In avenging my father?

Pylades

I am afraid they would be glad to catch you.

Orestes

Well, am I to crouch in fear and die without a word?

Pylades

That is cowardly.

Orestes

How then should I act?

Pylades

Suppose you stay here, what means of safety do you have?

Orestes

I have none.

Pylades

And if you go, is there any hope of escaping your troubles?

Orestes

There might be, possibly.
780

Pylades

Then that is better than staying.

Orestes

Then I will go.

Pylades

At least you die in this way, you will die more honorably.

Orestes

You are right; in this way I escape cowardice.

Pylades

Better than by staying.

Orestes

After all, my action was just.

Pylades

Pray that this may be the only view they take.

Orestes

Some one or two might pity me—

Pylades

Yes, your noble birth is a great point.

Orestes

Resenting my father’s death.
785

Pylades

That is all quite clear.

Πυλάδης

κἀμὲ νῦν ἐροῦ τί πάσχω· καὶ γὰρ αὐτὸς οἴχομαι.

Ὀρέστης

πρὸς τίνος; τοῦτʼ ἂν προσείη τοῖς ἐμοῖς κακοῖς κακόν.

Πυλάδης

Στρόφιος ἤλασέν μʼ ἀπʼ οἴκων φυγάδα θυμωθεὶς πατήρ.
765

Ὀρέστης

ἴδιον ἢ κοινὸν πολίταις ἐπιφέρων ἔγκλημά τι;

Πυλάδης

ὅτι συνηράμην φόνον σοι μητρός, ἀνόσιον λέγων.

Ὀρέστης

ὦ τάλας, ἔοικε καὶ σὲ τἀμὰ λυπήσειν κακά.

Πυλάδης

οὐχὶ Μενέλεω τρόποισι χρώμεθʼ· οἰστέον τάδε.

Ὀρέστης

οὐ φοβῇ μή σʼ Ἄργος ὥσπερ κἄμʼ ἀποκτεῖναι θέλῃ;
770

Πυλάδης

οὐ προσήκομεν κολάζειν τοῖσδε, Φωκέων δὲ γῇ.

Ὀρέστης

δεινὸν οἱ πολλοί, κακούργους ὅταν ἔχωσι προστάτας.

Πυλάδης

ἀλλʼ ὅταν χρηστοὺς λάβωσι, χρηστὰ βουλεύουσʼ ἀεί.

Ὀρέστης

εἶἑν. ἐς κοινὸν λέγειν χρή.

Πυλάδης

τίνος ἀναγκαίου πέρι;

Ὀρέστης

εἰ λέγοιμʼ ἀστοῖσιν ἐλθὼν —
775

Πυλάδης

ὡς ἔδρασας ἔνδικα;

Ὀρέστης

πατρὶ τιμωρῶν ἐμαυτοῦ;

Πυλάδης

μὴ λάβωσί σʼ ἄσμενοι.

Ὀρέστης

ἀλλʼ ὑποπτήξας σιωπῇ κατθάνω;

Πυλάδης

δειλὸν τόδε.

Ὀρέστης

πῶς ἂν οὖν δρῴην;

Πυλάδης

ἔχεις τινʼ, ἢν μένῃς, σωτηρίαν;

Ὀρέστης

οὐκ ἔχω.

Πυλάδης

μολόντι δʼ ἐλπίς ἐστι σωθῆναι κακῶν;

Ὀρέστης

εἰ τύχοι, γένοιτʼ ἄν.
780

Πυλάδης

οὐκοῦν τοῦτο κρεῖσσον ἢ μένειν.

Ὀρέστης

ἀλλὰ δῆτʼ ἔλθω.

Πυλάδης

θανὼν γοῦν ὧδε κάλλιον θανῇ.

Ὀρέστης

εὖ λέγεις· φεύγω τὸ δειλὸν τῇδε.

Πυλάδης

μᾶλλον ἢ μένων.

Ὀρέστης

καὶ τὸ πρᾶγμά γʼ ἔνδικόν μοι.

Πυλάδης

τῷ Δοκεῖν εὔχου μόνον.

Ὀρέστης

καί τις ἄν γέ μʼ οἰκτίσειε

Πυλάδης

μέγα γὰρ ἡ εὐγένειά σου.

Ὀρέστης

θάνατον ἀσχάλλων πατρῷον.
785

Πυλάδης

πάντα ταῦτʼ ἐν ὄμμασιν.

Frage mich nun, was ich leide: denn verloren bin auch ich.
750

Drestes.

Du? Durch wen? Zu meinem Leide kommt hinzu dies neue Leid.

Pylades.

Strophios, mein Vater, trieb mich zurnend aus dem Hause fort.

Drestes.

Hatt' er selbst Etwas zu klagen? Klagte wider dich das

Volk?

Pylades.

Daß ich dir beim Mord geholfen, nennt er gottlos, frevelhaft.

Orestes.

Armer, meine Leiden, scheint es, bringen Gram auch über dich.
755

Pylades.

Nicht gesinnt, wie Menelaos, sind wir: tragen muß ich das.¹

Drestes.

Sorgst du nicht, daß Argos Bürger dich ermorden, so wie mich?

Pylades.

Argos kann uns nicht bestrafen; richten darf uns Phokis nur.

Orestes.

Schrecklich ist die Menge, wann sie bosgesinnte Führer hat.