Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 6.38.1

Richard Crawley (Translator)

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History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Richard Crawley (Translator). London. 1914.

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 6.38.1 focus
Translations (9)
The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 6.38.1 focus
Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 6.38 focus
Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 6.38 focus
Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 6.38 focus
Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 6.38 focus
History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 6.38.1 focus
History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 6.38.1 focus
Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 6.38.1 focus
La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 6.38 focus

Commentary

Commentary on Thucydides: Book 6 (Thucydides, Book VI. Marchant, Edgar C., editor. London: Macmillan and Company, 1909.) focus

ἄνδρες — quidam, hinting, as that word sometimes does, at definite opponents.

ἤτοι . . ἤ —c. 34, 2.

καὶ δέδοικα μέντοι —‘and I really fear lest their repeated efforts may at last be crowned with success’ (Wilkins). This is the affirmative μέντοι, as in answers of assent.

ἡμεῖς δὲ κακοί —‘we show no spirit in taking precautions before we suffer, or in stopping such men when we detect them.’

αἰσθόμενοι is opposed to πρὶν ἐν τῷ παθεῖν ὦμεν—for which see c. 10, 5.

δῑ αὐτά —going back to τάδε κινοῦσι e. 36, 2. ‘Hence it is that such sehemes allow our state but seldom to rest.’

τυρραννίδας —such as Gelon and Hieron:

δυναστείας — such as the power of the aristocratic party of Hermocrates.

ὧν —with τι below.

περιιδεῖν γενέσθαι —the infin. after περιορᾶν occurs only in Herod. and Thuc.; the verb then= ἐᾶν . M.T. § 903, 6.

ὑμᾶς μὲν τοὺς πολλούς —contrasted with τοὺς δ’ αὖ ὀλίγους, who are also meant in τοὺς . . . μηχανωμένους. Weil's conjecture (see crit. note) is necessary because there is no distinction between the plotters and the oligarchs, and because only the people can be said κολάζειν.

αὐτοφώρους —correspouds to αἰσθόμενοι ἐπεζελθεῖν above, and ὧν βούλονται μὲν κτλ. to προφυλάζασθαι.

ὧν βούλονται —after κολάζειν. Cf. II. 74 , 3 τῆς ἀδικίας κολάζεσθαι. So

ὧν δρᾷ and

διανοίας depend on προαμύνεσθαι.

εἴπερ καί —‘inasmuch as.’

τὰ μὲν ἐλέγχων —‘now by convicting them (when they have formed a design), now by watching them (to keep them from forming one), now by counselling them (to change their methods).’

καὶ δῆτα —he proceeds to give an instance τοῦ διδάσκειν. The use of δῆτα is in emphatic statements, questions, and appeals.

νεώτεροι —the younger members of the oligarchic party.

πότερον —there follows an example of ὑποφορά, altercatio, in which an orator puts words into an opponent's mouth and supplies the answer.

ἀτιμάζειν —infin. of purpose, ‘to keep out of office.’

ἰσονομεῖσθαι — liberty and equality, ἐλευθερία and ἰσονομία, were the cardinal principles of Greek democracy.

τοὺς αὐτούς —members of the same state.