Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Adolf Wahrmund (Translator), 5.110

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Melier: "„Sie könnten ja aber auch Andere
herüber-schicken.' Und übrigens ist das kretische Meer groß, und es ist auf
demselben selbst dem, der die Gewässer beherrscht, weniger leicht,
einen Andern abzufangen, als für diesen sich zu retten, wenn er sich
jenen entziehen will. Und wenn dieß fehlschlagen sollte, so könnten
sie ja auch euer eigenes Land und eure andern Bundesgenossen
angreisen, die Brasidas nicht heimgesucht hat; und dann hättet ihr nicht
um ein Land zu kämpfen, auf das ihr kein Recht habt, sondern um
eines, das euch sehr nahe angeht."

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Adolf Wahrmund (Translator). Stuttgart. 1864.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.)

Editions (1)

Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.110.1 focus

ΜΗΛ.

οἱ δὲ καὶ ἄλλους ἂν ἔχοιεν πέμψαι· πολὺ δὲ τὸ Κρητικὸν πέλαγος, δι’ οὗ τῶν κρατούντων ἀπορώτερος ἡ λῆψις ἢ τῶν λαθεῖν βουλομένων ἡ σωτηρία.

[2] καὶ εἰ τοῦδε σφάλλοιντο, τράποιντ’ ἂν καὶ ἐς τὴν γῆν ὑμῶν καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς λοιποὺς τῶν ξυμμάχων, ὅσους μὴ Βρασίδας ἐπῆλθεν· καὶ οὐ περὶ τῆς μὴ προσηκούσης μᾶλλον ἢ τῆς οἰκειοτέρας ξυμμαχίδος τε καὶ γῆς ὁ πόνος ὑμῖν ἔσται.

Translations (9)

The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.110.1 focus

[1] Mel. Yea, but they may have others to send; and the Cretic sea is wide, wherein to take another is harder for him that is master of it than it is for him that will steal by to save himself.

[2] And if this course fail, they may turn their arms against your own territory or those of your confederates not invaded by Brasidas. And then you shall have to trouble yourselves no more about a territory that you have nothing to do withal, but about your own and your confederates.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.110.1 focus

‘But they would have others to send. The Cretan sea is a wide one, and it is more difficult for those who command it to intercept others, than for those who wish to elude them to do so safely.

And should the Lacedaemonians miscarry in this, they would fall upon your land, and upon those left of your allies whom Brasidas did not reach; and instead of places which are not yours, you will have to fight for your own country and your own confederacy.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 5.110 focus

Melier: „Sie könnten aber auch andere schicken. DaS
kretische Meer ist groß, und deshalb ist es für den Mächtigen
schwieriger, jemand zu erwishcen, als für den Verfolgten,
ihm unbemerkt zu entkommen. Schlimmstenfalls könnten sie
sich auch gegen euer Land wenden oder gegen eure Bundes
genossen, die euch nach dem Zuge des Brasidas noch geblieben
sind, und dann hättet ihr nicht um ein Land, wo ihr nichts
zu suchen habt, sondern um das Gebiet eurer Bundesgenossen
und für euer eigenes Land zu kämpfen."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.110 focus

CX. L es M éliens. « Mais ils pourront en envoyér d’autres : la mer de Crète est vaste, et il est plus difficile aux maîtres des mers d’y atteindre ceux qui veulent se soustraire à leurs recherches, qu’à ceux-ci de leur échapper. D’ailleurs, s’ils échouaient à cet égard, ils se tourneraient au besoin contre votre territoire et contre ceux de vos alliés que n’a pas attaqués Brasidas,. Dès lors ce ne sera plus pour une terre étrangère, ce sera pour vos propres alliés, pour votre propre territoire que vous aurez à supporter le poids de la guerre.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.110 focus

Les Méliens. Ils pourront en envoyer d’autres. Les eaux le la Crète sont vastes, et les dominateurs des mers auront dIus de peine à y exercer leur poursuite qu’on n’en aura à 'éviter. D’ailleurs, si les Lacédémoniens échouent de ce côté, ls se tourneront vers votre territoire et vers oeux de vos alliés lue n’a pas visités Brasidas. Dès lors ce ne sera plus pour une lerre étrangère, ce sera pour vos alliés et pour votre pays que vous aurez à combattre.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.110.1 focus

[1] MEL. “But there are others whom they might send; besides, the Cretan sea is wide, so that upon it the capture of a hostile squadron by the masters of the sea will be more difficult than it would be to cross over in security for those who wish to elude them.

[2] And if they should fail in this attempt they could turn against your territory and against any of the rest of your allies whom Brasidas did not reach; and then you would have to exert yourselves, not for the acquisition of territory that never belonged to you, but for the preservation of your own confederacy, aye, and your own country.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.110.1 focus

[1] Mel.

But they would have others to send; and the Cretan sea is of wide extent, and to intercept a party in crossing it is more difficult for those who command it, than to escape is for those who wish to elude observation.

[2]

Besides, if they should be disappointed in this, they would proceed against your territory, and to the remainder of your allies, such as Brasidas did not reach: and you will have to exert yourselves, not so much for territory which does not belong to you, as for your own confederacy and country.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.110.1 focus

[1] Mel. Illi vero etiam alios mittere potemut; amplum autem est Creticum pelagus, in quo iis, qui maris imperium tenent, difficilius est intercipere, quam illis, qui latere voluerint, saluti suae consulere.

[2] Et si hoc assequi nequeant, convertant arma et in vestrum agrum, et in reliquos vestros socios, quos Brasidae non invasit; atque ita non de alieno potius quam de vestro ipsorum ac sociorum agro labor vobis erit subeundus.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.110 focus

Melii . « Potranno però spedirvi altri : vasto è il mar Cretico, nel quale è più difficile a chi vi signoreggià sorprendere quei che cercano tenersi nascosti, di quello che a questi trovar modo di scansarsi. Se neanco per questa via riescano, si volgeranno contro il paese vostro , e contro il resto degli alleati, ove Brasida non è penetrato. L'voi dovrete travagliarvi non per un territorio che non v’appartiene , ma pel vostro proprio, e per quello della lega ».

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.110

Adolf Wahrmund (Translator)

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