Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 6.68.4

Henry Dale (Translator)

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History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Henry Dale (Translator). London. 1851.

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History of the Peloponnesian War (English) (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.)

Editions (1)
Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 6.68.4 focus
Translations (9)
The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 6.68.4 focus
History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 6.68.4 focus
Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 6.68 focus
Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 6.68 focus
Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 6.68 focus
Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 6.68 focus
History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 6.68.4 focus
Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 6.68.4 focus
La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 6.68 focus

Commentary

Commentary on Thucydides: Book 6 (Thucydides, Book VI. Marchant, Edgar C., editor. London: Macmillan and Company, 1909.) focus

οἵ —‘seeing that we.’

ἐπὶ τὸν αὐτόν —contrasted with πολλῇ παραινέσεἰ. The same remarks will do for all, and they need not be long.

καλῶς λεχθέντες —‘plausible,’ not without a side reference to the Sicilian rhetoric. It is the habit of Thuc. to represent a general as answering the arguments of the enemy's leader, as though they were contending in an assembly.

πανδημεί —whereas the A are chosen καταλόγοις χρηστοῖς (c. 31, 3). πανδημεί is the contrary of ἐκ καταλόγου.

ὥσπερ καὶ ἡμᾶς —attraction with ὥσπερ, as in I. 69 , etc Cf. the attraction of οἷος as in VII. 21 πρὸς ἄνδρας τολμηροὺς οἵους καὶ Ἁθηναίους.

ὑπερφρονοῦσι . . ὑπομενοῦσι —paronomasia. ὑπομένειν is the regular word of soldiers who stand their ground.

διὰ τό . . —‘because they have less knowledge than courage.’ Their ἐπιστήμη is small because they are not pieked men.

παραστήτω δέ τινι —‘one should remember too that we are far from our own home and in the neighbourhood of no friendly country, unless indeed you mean to gain one by the sword.’ Stein thinks

οὐδεμιᾷ φ = πάσῃ ἀλλοτρίᾳ.

καί —‘in fact.’

τοὐναντίον . . ἤ —Herod. IX. 56 ἤισαν τὰ ἔμπαλιν ἢ Λακεδαιμόνιοι: Thuc. VII. 80 ἀπάγειν . . τοὐναντίον ἢ οἱ Συρακόσιοι ἐτήρουν.

ὑπομιμνῄσκω —‘suggest’: ‘I offer you a suggestion which is the reverse of the encouragement that the enemy are without doubt offering to one another.’

οἱ μὲν γάρ —sc. παρακελεύονται. ἐλὼ δέ—sc. ὑπομιμνῄσκω ὅτι ἔσται ὀ ἀγὡν.

οὐκ ἐν πατρίδι = ἐν γῇ οὐ πατρίδι οὔσῃ. This order of the neg. is common with prepositions. ἐξ ἧς κρατεῖν δεῖ ἢ μὴ ῥ. ἀποχωρεῖν—ἐξ ἦς really depends on ἀποχωρεῖν, ‘from which it is difficult to retreat unless we win.’ Cf. II. 88 αἰεὶ αὐτοῖς ἔλεγε ( καὶ προπαρεσκεύαζε τὰς γνώμας) ὡς οὐδὲν αὐτοῖς πλῆθος ἃν ἐπιπλέοι. Livy 21, 18 nostra haec quaestio (atque animadversio) in civem nostrum est, nostra an suo fecerit arbitrio.

πολλοί —sc. ὄντες.

ἀξίας = ἀξιώματος .

προθύμως . . καὶ ἡγησάμενοι —the partic. and adv. are combined, as elsewhere.

τὴν παροῦσαν ἀνάγκην — i.e. the obligation to win; whereas ἀπορίαν is ‘the dilemma’—victory or a difficult retreat.