Aristotle Poetics 7.10

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As, therefore, animals and other bodies should have such a size as may easily be comprehended in one view, so the dramatic fable should have such a length that the [A] connexion of the circumstances may easily be remembered. As to the length

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 7 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 7 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 7 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 7 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 7 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 7 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 7 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 7 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 7.10 focus
so, in the fable, a certain length is requisite, but that length must be such as to present a whole easily comprehended by the memory.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 7.10 focus
thus also in fables, there should be length, but this such as can easily be remembered 1.
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 7 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 7.10 focus
Rien de trop grand ne peut être beau nonplus, parce qu'on ne le voit pas d'un coup d'œil, & qu'en voyant ſes parties ſucceſſivement l'une aprés l'autre, le ſpectateur perd l'idée du tout, comme s'il voyoit un animal de dix mille ſtades. Ainſi donc comme tous les animaux & tous les autres êtres, doivent avoir une étenduë, que l'œil puiſſe comprendre & meſurer aiſement, & tout-d'un-coup, de même il faut que le ſujet des pieces dramatiques ayt une étenduë que la memoire puiſſe embraſſer & retenir ſans peine.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 7 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 7 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 7 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 7 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 7 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-311

ὥστε marks the apodosis (comp. 9, 1452 a 10 and Bon. Ind. 873 a 31 ).

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-312

καθάπερ ἐπὶ τῶν συστημάτων The argument proceeds on the assumption of an analogy between a beautiful whole that addresses the eye, and one that addresses the mind; and the conclusion is that as the one is εὐσύνοπτον, so the other must be εὐμνημόνευτον. At this point Aristotle changes his construction, repeating his original statement ( 1450 b 34 ) in the form required for an argument from analogy, καθάπερ ἐπὶ τῶν συστημάτων καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν ζῴων . . . οὕτω καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν μύθων, with συστημάτων as a short equivalent for the foregoing ἅπαν πρᾶγμα ὃ συνέστηκεν ἐκ τινῶν. A σύστημα is a product of combination, something that comes into being through a union, natural or artificial, of parts into a whole; a state, for instance, is a σύστημα ( Eth. N. 9. 8, 1168 b 32 ) as being due to a combination of classes or individuals, and a ζῷον is a σύστημα ( De gen. an. 2. 4, 740 a 20 ), as being an organized whole of parts. The present passage, however, implies a more restricted sense of σύστημα, as though the term were properly applicable only to a whole that is made, as distinct from an organic whole, which grows to be what it is. This or some similar sense is suggested by the passage also in Eth. N. 9. 8, 1168 b 32
ὥσπερ δὲ καὶ πόλις τὸ κυριώτατον μάλιστ᾽ εἶναι δοκεῖ καὶ πᾶν ἄλλο σύστημα, οὕτω καὶ ἄνθρωπος
—where the implication is that a man is not a σύστημα proper, though his composite nature gives him a certain resemblance to one.
The difficulty in the manuscript reading σωμάτων is that the word would have to be understood in one of two senses, either in that of ‘material substances’, or in that of ‘living bodies’. The first interpretation is out of the question, since beauty is in the τάξις or συμμετρία τῶν μερῶν, and, therefore, in the form, not in the matter, of things. The second, which makes ἐπὶ τῶν σωμάτων and ἐπὶ τῶν ζῴων mere synonyms, leaves us without any equivalent for the ἅπαν πρᾶγμα ὃ συνέστηκεν ἐκ τινῶν of his original statement ( 1450 b 34 ), which was, if I am not mistaken, far too important for Aristotle's argument to be ignored in any résumé of it (comp. J. of Phil. 5 p. 120 ).
1451a4 ἐπὶ τῶν ζῴων see on 1450 b 36 .

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-313

εὐσύνοπτον 'easily taken in as a whole by the eye', as opposed το εὐμνημόνευτον (a 5), 'easily taken in as a whole by the memory'. The word, however, is metaphorically used as equivalent to εὐμνημόνευτος in 23, 1459 a 33 , as also in Rhet. 3. 9, 1409 b 35
λέγω δὲ περίοδον λέξιν ἔχουσαν ἀρχὴν καὶ τελευτὴν αὐτὴν καθ᾿ αὑτὴν καὶ μέγεθος εὐσύνοπτον
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ἡδεῖα δ᾿ ἡ τοιαύτη καὶ εὐμαθής .. εὐμαθὴς δὲ ὅτι εὐμνημόνευτος
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1451a6

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

12. mvp-aristotle-comment-214

7.10 12. Rien de trop grand ne peut être beau non plus.] 1

13. mvp-aristotle-comment-215

7.10 13. De même il faut que les ſujets dramatiques, ayent une étenduë que la memoire puiſſe retenir ſans peine.] 2