Aristotle Poetics 16.9

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To this false reasoning or paralogism, it appears a * true one must have followed. As in the Merope of M. Voltaire, Merope, on seeing the helmet of her son brought in, believed the person who brought it had assassinated him; a false reasoning deceives her and almost induces her to kill him herself, till a further discovery, by true reasoning, saves him. But I fear this ingenious explanation will hardly be found conclusive.

Poetics. Aristotle. ed. Henry James Pye. London. 1792.

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Fourthly-The Discovery occasioned by reasoning or inference 1 ; such as that in the Choephorae: "The person, who is arrived, resembles me-no one resembles me but Orestes-it must be he !". And that of Polyides the Sophist, in his Iphigenia 2 ; for the conclusion of Orestes was natural. "It had been his sister's lot to be sacrificed, and it was now his own!". That, also, in the Tydeus of Theodectes:-"He came to find his son, and he himself must perish!". And thus, the daughters of Phineus, in the Tragedy denominated from them 3 , viewing the place to which they were led, infer their fate: "there they were to die, for there they were exposed!".
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as in the "Choephorae"—a person like 1 2 3 4 me is arrived-there is no person like me but Orestes,—Orestes, therefore, is arrived. Thus too in the "Iphigenia9" of Polyides the sophist. For it was probable that Orestes would syllogistically conclude, that because his sister had been immolated, it would likewise happen to him to be sacrificed. Thus also in the "Tydeus 10 " of Theodectes, a certain person comes to discover his son, and himself perishes 11. Another example also is in the "Phinidae." For the women, on seeing the place, inferred what their fate would be, viz. that they must needs perish in this place; for they were exposed in it from their infancy. 5
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La quatrième eſpece de reconnoiſſance eſt celle qui ſe fait par le raiſonnement, comme dans les Coephores d'Eſchyle, où Electre raiſonne de cette maniére, il eſt venu icy un homme qui me reſſemble, perſonne ne me reſſemble qu'Oreſte, donc Oreſte eſt venu. Et comme dans l'Iphigenie du Sophiſte Polyides, où Oreſte fait ce raiſonnement, comme ma ſœur a été immolée à Diane, il faut donc auſſi que je luy ſois immolé. Dans le Tydée de Theodecte Adraſte fait ce raiſonnement, Lajus étoit allé pour avoir des nouvelles de ſon fils, il fut tué en chemin, celuy-cy eſt ſon petit fils, c'est donc le fils d'Edipe. Et dans les Phineides, ces malheureuſes filles, voyant le lieu où on alloit les faire mourir, s'écrient avec douleur, qu'elles voyent bien que la cruelle deſtinée les avoit condamnées à mourir dans ce lieu, puiſque c'eſt le même où elles avoient été expoſées, & c'eſt ce raiſonnement qui les fait reconnoître.
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Commentary

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9. mvp-aristotle-comment-586

ἐν Χοηφόροις: Aesch. Choeph. 168-234 (comp. Eurip. El. 520 ). Electra reflects on what she sees, and concludes that it is her brother Orestes who has come home. It will be observed that in the other instances of ἀναγνώρισις ἐκ συλλογισμοῦ the discovery is made by the party who overhears the reflexion of the other.

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-587

5 ὁ Ὀρέστης. For the article compare Herod. 1. 68
συνεβάλλετο τὸν Ὀρέστεα ... τοῦτον εἶναι
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9. mvp-aristotle-comment-588

6 Πολυίδου. It is agreed that this was the Attic form of the name ( Kock, CAF. 1 p. 508 ; Schulze, Qu. Epicae p. 111 ). As literary criticism was part of the business of a sophist, the probability is that this suggestion of 'the Sophist Polyidus' was propounded in some critical discussion on the technique of the dramatists; it is quite unnecessary to suppose him to have been also a dramatic poet (with Welcker, Gr. Trag. 1043), or to identify him with a certain dithyrambic poet of the same name (with Bernhardy, Gr. Litt. 2 p. 756). Aristotle reverts to this suggestion in 17, 1455 b 10 .

9. mvp-aristotle-comment-589

9 Τυδεῖ: Nauck, TGF. p. 803 . Nothing more is known either of this or of the other two plays mentioned, the Φινεῖδαι ( Nauck p. 841 ) and Ὀδυσσεὺς ψευδάγγελος ( Nauck p. 839 ). It is impossible to say who the personage here referred to was (comp. Tyrwhitt on 11, 1452 a 27 ).
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Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

16. mvp-aristotle-comment-404

16.9 La quatrième eſpece de reconnoiſſance eſt celle qui ſe fait par le raiſonnement, comme dans les Coephores, où Electre rai-ſonne de cette manière; Il eſt venu icy un homme qui me reſſem-ble, perſonne ne me reſſemble qu'Oreste, donc Oreste eſt venu.] 1

17. mvp-aristotle-comment-405

16.9 Ou comme dans l'Iphigenie du Sophiſte Polyides, où Ore-ſte fait ce raiſonnement, comme ma ſœur a été immolée à Dia-ne, il faut donc auſſi que je luy ſois immolé.] 2

18. mvp-aristotle-comment-406

16.9 Dans le Tydée de Theodecte, Adraſte fait ce raiſonnc-ment, Lajus étoit allé pour avoir des nouvelles de ſon fils, il fut tué en chemin, celuy-cy eſt ſon petit fils, c'est donc le fils d'Œdipe.] 3

19. mvp-aristotle-comment-407

16.9 Et dans les Phincides, ces malheureuſes filles voyant le lieu...] 4

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130. mvp-aristotle-comment-130

NOTE 130. P. 96.

16.9 THE DISCOVERY OCCASIONED BY REASONING, OR INFERENCE; SUCH AS THAT IN THE CHOEPHORA-.
Here is much obscurity and confusion. One thing, however, seems clear; that
ἐκ συλλογισμου
, cannot mean as some interpreters have understood it to mean, "by reasoning or inference in the mind of the person who makes the discovery;" because this is common to all the modes of discovery. When Electra recognizes her brother, does she not infer, or, in the philosopher's language, syllogize? "This man has seen the lance — nobody could see it but Orestes — This is Orestes." And the same may be said of all the other recognitions. Discovery by inference, therefore, on the part of the discoverer, cannot be made a distinct species. The discovery Aristotle means, is plainly a discovery, not made, but occasioned, by inference. Throughout all his instances, he considers only the means, or occasion, of discovery, as furnished, in some way or other, by the person discovered. With respect to bodily marks, bracelets, &c. the letter of Iphigenia, and the verbal
τεκμηρια
of Orestes, this is obvious enough. But the case is the same with the discovery by memory: in both the examples of that species, the persons are discovered, not by recollection in the discoverers, but by the effects of it in themselves. And so here too, in the three last examples of discovery
ἐκ συλλογισμου
, however obscure in other respects, this at least seems clearly enough expressed, that the persons are discovered by their own reasoning, or inference; that is, by something which it leads them to say. 1
But, the difficulty is, that Aristotle's first example, appears not to accord with this idea, and with the other examples. 2 The inference here, appears to be, even from the words themselves, and, if the Choephora of Æschylus be intended, as the commentators suppose, certainly is, — inference in the mind of the person who makes the discovery. 3 But as this, for the reasons already given, cannot, I think, be admitted, we must either leave this knot as it is, or solve it by supposing some other Tragedy, not extant, to be meant, in which the conclusion mentioned was, as in all the other instances that follow, the occasion only of the discovery. Nor will this appear a very improbable supposition, if we recollect the swarm of Tragic Poets who were continually exercising their invention upon a few popular subjects, and the number of different Tragedies which, in consequence, we find recorded, not only on the same subject, but even with the same title; often with some slight variation only, in the mode of a discovery, and other episodic incidents of the plot, which would still leave a general resemblance, a sort of family likeness, between them, such as, in fact, we find in Tragedies on the same subject now extant; in the Electra of Sophocles, and that of Euripides, and the Choephora of Æschylus.
But we may say, farther, that this supposition seems to be favoured by the Tragedy of Æschylus, itself; 4 with which, what Aristotle here says, appears to me by no means exactly to correspond. The reader, who will take the trouble to examine the whole passage supposed to be here alluded to, from v. 166, to v. 233, will, I believe, think with me, that the discovery, in that play, cannot with propriety be denominated a discovery made by inference from resemblance. The circumstances of the lock of hair, and the footsteps, produce in Electra's mind no more than a glimmering of hope —
σαινομαι δ᾽ ὑπ᾿ ἐλπιδος
[v. 192.] and she is so far from discovering Orestes by them, that even when he appears before her, she is not convinced till he produces the
ὑφασμα
— the vest, or veil. This is justly remarked by Brumoy; 5
"Tout cela (i. e. the hair, &c.) ne fait que la rendre plus inquiete: Elle demeure donc dans ce trouble jusqu' à ce qu' Oreste paroisse à ses yeux. Il se montre tout à coup, et se fait reconnoitre pour son frere, en lui présentant un voile qu'elle a tissu elle-meme."
This I take to be the true
ἀναγνωρισις
of this drama; and it belongs rather to Aristotle's first class —
δια σημειων
; if not even to the worst sort of that class, where the sign is produced
πιστεως ἐνεκα
, — by way of proof. Indeed, even admitting that Electra may be considered as recognizing her brother by inference from the resemblance of the lock of hair and the footsteps only, still, as Piccolomini acutely and solidly observes, this instance would belong to the first species of discovery by signs.
"Questo riconoscimento non è della quarta specie, ma della prima; nato, non da sillogismo, ma da segno: posciache Elettra, preso per segno d'Oreste la capigliatura, sopra tal segno, quasi sopra mezzo termine, fabrica il sillogismo che ella fa in se stessa, argomentando, che colui fusse Oreste: havendo io già detto, ch' in ogni riconoscimento suol intervenir sillogismo ed argomentatione dentro all'animo della persona riconoscente."
p. 236.

131. mvp-aristotle-comment-131

NOTE 131. P. 97.

16.9 "HE CAME TO FIND HIS SON, AND HE HIMSELF MUST PERISH."It is not very obvious, how these words are to be brought to any thing like, reasoning, or inference. But all here is darkness. The far-fetched explanation which Dacier has condescended to borrow, without notice, from Castelvetro, for whom, in his preface, he expresses so much contempt, only serves to make the "darkness" more "visible."
I know not whether it be worth while to remark a mere resemblance of expression, but a very close one, in Homer: Od. Ο. 90.
Μη πατερ᾿ ἀντίθεον ΔΙΖΗΜΕΝΟΣ, ΑΥΤΟΣ ΟΛΩΜΑΙ.

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6. mvp-aristotle-comment-115

Ritter, cap. 16 § 6

τετάρτη δὲ ἡ ἐκ συλλογισμοῦ, οἷον ἐν Χοηφόροις - Ὀρέστης: etiam hic vir ille litteratissimus nimium ad exempla festinat. vix nomen quartae agnitionis positum est, cum iam exemplum succedit, quo allato demum explicatur cur ἐκ συλλογισμοῦ hoc agnitionis genus vocetur. οὗτος ἄρα ἐλήλυθεν: non satis vere haec dicta esse intelliges ex Aeschyli Choephoris (hanc fabulam technicus dixit) v. 166-234. nam Electra cum cincinnum in tumulo patris invenisset et vestigia solo impressa suis similia vidisset, Orestem advenisse inde coniecit, sed nihilo minus satis incerta demum ex indiciis, quae Orestes fidei causa cum illa communicavit, fratrem cognovit. καὶ ἡ Πολυείδου - συμβαίνει θύεσθαι: haec hausit ex c. 17, 3. strenue pergit exempla exemplis cumulare. considera haec: καὶ ἐν τῷ Σοφοκλέους Τηρεῖ. – καὶ ἡ ἐν ᾿Αλκίνου ἀπολόγῳ. – καὶ ἡ Πολυείδου τοῦ σοφιστοῦ περὶ τῆς Ἰφιγενείας. – καὶ ἡ ἐν τῷ τοῦ Θεοδέκτου Τυδεῖ. καὶ ἡ ἐν τοῖς Φινείδαις. de Polyido sophista dicemus ad c. 17, 3. καὶ ἡ ἐν τῷ Θεοδέκτου Τυδεῖ κτλ. TydeumTheodectis tragici poetae aliunde haud cognitum habemus, neque ex his verbis de argumento eius fabulae certi quidquam colligi potest, ne id quidem, ipsum Tydeum fuisse de quo h. 1. referuntur illa, ἐλθὼν ὡς εὑρήσων υἱὸν αὐτὸς ἀπόλλυται. nam in ellipsibus hic noster temere audet. καὶ ἡ ἐν τοῖς Φινείδαις: Φινεῖδαι gemini sunt Phinei filii a matre oculorum lumine orbati. vid. Sophocl. Antig. v. 966-987. sed quae continuo ex fabula Phinidarum afferuntur de mulieribus fatum suum ex loco ubi olim expositae erant agnoscentibus prorsus obscura sunt. filiae Phinei nusquam commemorantur; itaque incertum relinquitur quae fuerint illae quae sortem sibi destinatam ex loco agnoscunt. Phineum et Aeschylus scripit et Sophocles, sed haec ex alterutra desumpta esse nihil est quod probet. neque verisimile videtur Timothei dithyrambum Φινείδας inscriptum et a Suida memoratum respici. exstitisse tragoediam hoc nomine dubitari nequit, cum Attii Phinidae octies a Nonio Marcello et semel a Festo s. v. tonsillam memorentur. vid. Bothii Poetae scen. Latin. vol. V. p. 235 ed. a. 1834. ellipsis illa ἰδοῦσαι γὰρ (quae?) plane intolerabilis est, sed huius hominis stilo satis convenit. chorum virginibus vel mulieribus constantem videtur significare.