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Pour les choſes qui ſemblent contraires à ce que l'on a déja dit, il faut les examiner, comme on examine les objections dans la dialectique. C'eſt-à-dire, qu'il faut voir ſi c'eſt la même choſe, ſi elle va à la même fin, & ſi elle eſt dite de la même maniére. Il eſt encore fort bon de conſiderer ſi celuy qui parle, parle de ſon chef, ou ſi il ne parle que ſur le rapport de quelque homme prudent & ſage.

Poetics. Aristote. Paris. 1692.

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La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (fra) (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.)

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Editions (4)
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 25 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 25 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 25 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 25 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 25 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 25 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 25 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 25 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 25.30 focus
When things are said, which appear to be contradictory, we must examine them as we do in logical confutation: whether the same thing be spoken of; whether in the same respect, and in the same sense.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 25.30 focus
ἢ ὁ ἂν ὑποθήται, φρόνιμος;
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 25.30 focus
or contraries, or as errors committed against the rectitude of art.
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 25 focus
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 25 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 25 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 25 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 25 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 25 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

23. mvp-aristotle-comment-1036

1461a35 μάλιστ᾽ ἄν τις ὑπολάβοι. The comma (or colon) which recent editors place after this I have removed in order that μάλιστα may be taken with κατὰ τὴν καταντικρύ; comp. Metaph. A 8, 989a30
μάλιστ ἂν ὑπολάβοι κατὰ λόγον ὃν ἐκεῖνος μὲν οὐ διήρθρωσεν κτέ.
(also Phys. 7. 3, 245b6 ; Metaph. Z 16, 1040b10 ).

23. mvp-aristotle-comment-1037

κατὰ τὴν καταντικρύ = ἐξ ἐναντίας or ἐναντίως. The ἢ ὡς which follows Vahlen illustrates from 22, 1458b3
ἄλλως ἔχειν ἢ ὡς τὸ κύριον.
— An. post. 1. 17, 80b35
ληπτέαι ἐναντίως ἢ ὡς ἔχουσιν αἱ προτάσεις.
— De caelo 2. 2, 285b25
ἐναντίως ἢ ὡς οἱ Πυθαγόρειοι λέγουσιν.
— Meteor. 1. 12, 348b12
τουναντίον ἢ ὡς Ἀναξαγόρας λέγει.
A similar construction is found after a comparative adverb in Eth. N. 3. 13, 1118b23
μᾶλλον ἢ ὡς οἱ πολλοί.
The clause ὅτι ἔνια κτέ. is explanatory of ὡς Γλαύκων λέγει, 'the way described by Glaucon', and apparently a quotation.

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

39. mvp-aristotle-comment-635

25.23 39. Toutes les fois qu'un mot ſemble ſignifier quelque chose de contraire au deſſein du Poëte, il faut examiner toutes les differentes fignifications que ce mot peut avoir dans le paſſage en que-stion.] 1

40. mvp-aristotle-comment-636

25.23 40. Et le plus court moyen de ſe tirer de ces endroits, c'est de prendre le mot dans un ſens tout contraire à celuy qu'on luy donne ordinairement.] 2

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

251. mvp-aristotle-comment-251

NOTE 251.

25.23 P. 129. OF HOW MANY DIFFERENT SENSES, &c.
I may say with Victorius,
"hic locus valde me torsit."
The words are these: —
τὸ δὲ, ποσαχῶς ἐνδέχεται, ὧδί πως μάλιστ’ ἄν τις ὑπολάβοι κατὰ τὴν κατ’ ἀντικρύ.
— In this passage, as in many others, there is just glimpse enough of some meaning, to mock a commentator with the hopes of discovery, and to deprive him of the comfort of doing at once, what, after all his efforts, he will probably find himself obliged to do at last — of abandoning the passage as unintelligible. For my own part, I do not see one clear and satisfactory sense, that can be made of the words, without conjectural emendation; and if we open that door, we shall be, again, confounded by the number of different senses which ingenuity may propose, with equal pretensions to our acceptance.
Dacier translates thus:
"Et le plus court moyen de se tirer de ces endroits, c'est de prendre le mot dans un sens tout contraire à celui qu'on lui donne ordinairement."
Piccolomini and Beni understand it thus:
"How many senses a word admits of, may best be known by considering the significations opposed to it:"
a sense preferable, I think, at least, to any other that has been offered, because it certainly does receive some support from the 15th chapter of Aristotle's first book of Topics ; where he treats of Homonymy, or equivocation, and points out different means, by which we may discover, what, and how many, different senses a word will admit of; 1 and among these is the rule here supposed to be alluded to; i. e. that any single word must admit of as many different significations as are opposed to it. As, for example, to the word acute, we oppose, sometimes grave, sometimes blunt, sometimes dull, or stupid. Acute therefore has, of course, three different senses, corresponding to those three opposite senses.
But though this explanation of the passage must be allowed to give an Aristotelic meaning, yet I cannot think it a meaning that arises, fairly and clearly, from the text. In particular, the expression,
ΚΑΤΑ τὴν [scil. σημασίαν for so it is supplied—] KAT’ ANTIKPY,
has, to me, a very suspicious appearance. I much doubt, whether Aristotle would have used the word
ἀντικρύ
to denote contrariety of meaning, or any thing but local opposition. I believe he would have used
ἐναντίον
, or
ἀντικείμενον
; as he does constantly in those parts of his logical works, where he treats of contrariety, and of the opposite senses of words; 2 and where I have not found the phrase,
κατ’ ἀντικρύ
, once made use of in that sense. — However, as this interpretation seems to be the least exceptionable of any, and I see nothing better to propose, I have admitted it in my version: but I should certainly not accuse any reader of being very fastidious, if he preferred a blank to this, or any other meaning, that has been given to this dark saying. Emendatory conjectures, indeed, have occurred to me, as to others; but none of them plausible enough even to impose upon myself.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

16. mvp-aristotle-comment-199

Ritter, cap. 25 § 16

ποσαχῶς ἐνδέχεται: hoc negligenter scribenti concedendum erit. rectius sane ποσαχῶς δὲ ἐνδ. vel τὸ δὲ ποσαχῶς ἐνδ. dedisset, sed hoc quamquam apud Aldum legimus, libris non addicentibus non audeo recipere. - κατά τὴν καταντικρὺ ἤ ὡς Γλαύκων λέγει: dicere voluitsi quis a praeconceptis opinionibus sibi caveat. sed hanc vulgarem sententiam sic ille voluit effari: si quis contra faciat ac Glauco dicit. nimirum is homines temere existimantes et iudicantes reprehenderat. itaque in re manifesta sibi temperare non potuit quo minus provocando ad auctorem lectionis copiam ostentaret. nam hic noster ex eorum numero est qui tum demum aliquid persuasum sibi habent, si alium dicentem id auctorem producere possunt. sed quis ille est? in Rhetoricis III, 1. p. 1403 b 26. Γλαύκων ὁ Τήϊος de recitatione scripsisse dicitur, quem hunc nostrum fuisse nihil est unde pateat: immo quaerendus videtur is qui de Homero scripserit, et talis est Glauco Tarsensis, qui in eo opere quo glossas Homericas persecutus est et de variis vocum significationibus disputavit, aptissime hanc admonitionem proferre potuit. vid. Schol. in Hom. Il. A. 1. μῆνιν: οἱ δὲ περὶ Γλαύκωνα (h. e. Glauco ipse) τὸν Ταρσέα ἠξίουν ὀξύνειν τὸ ὄνομα. Athen. XI. p. 480 F. Γλαύκων δ᾽ ἐν ταῖς γλώσσαις Κυπρίους φησὶ τὴν κοτύλην κύλικα καλεῖν. videtur igitur imprudenter laudare grammaticum qui saltem multo post Aristotelem vixit, quamquam certi quidquam de eius aetate definiri nequit. καὶ αὐτοὶ καταψηφισάμενοι συλλογίζονται: ipsi ratiocinari demum incipiunt, cum secum iam damnarunt ea quae examinare volunt. “ ὅτι δοκεῖ est formula quae a iudicibus aut a concione pronuntiari solet, id quod fugit interpretes. eos Glauco reprehendit qui in expiscandis contrariis tam certi sibi videntur et tam secure agunt, quam illi qui in iudicio vel in concione sententiam suam praeconceptam secum afferunt, non ex rerum expositione hauriunt. - τοῦτο δὲ πέπονθε τὰ περὶ Ἰκάριον - εἶναι Ἰκάδιον ἀλλ' οὐκ Ἰκάριον: illi ad quaestiones solvendas prompti quaerebant, cur Telemachus ad patrem investigandum Lacedaemona profectus ab Homero in quarta Odysseae rhapsodia ad Menelaum, non ad avum Icarium Penelopae matris suae patrem, deducatur. hanc difficultatem hic noster sic solvit: Icarius non fuit Lacedaemonius sed in Cephalenensibus natus, id quod ipsa Cephalenensium fama probatur. aliam huius quaestionis solutionem et certe prudentiorem apud Strabonem (X. p. 708 vel 461 ed. Casaub.) legimus; aliam attulit scholiasta ad Odyss. A. 285. ed. Buttm. p. 37. πῶς εἰς Σπάρτην ἐλθὼν οὐ συντυγχάνει Ἰκαρίῳ; ἢ ἐκείνου καθ' Ὅμηρον ἐν Ἰθάκῃ ὄντος, ἢ ἀπέχθονται αὐτῷ αὐτός τε καὶ ἡ μήτηρ ἀναγκάζοντε αὐτὴν γαμηθῆναι, ὡς αὐτή φησι, “ μάλα δ᾽ ὀτρύνουσι τοκῆες γήμασθαι” ( Τ. 158).