Aristote Poetics 22.15

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Mais c'eſt juſtement parce que ces façons de parler ne ſont, ni propres, ni d'un uſage commun, qu'elles relevent le ſtile de ces Poëtes, & l'éloignent de la ſimplicité du Langage ordinaire, & familier, & c'eſt ce qu'ignoroit ce Critique.

Poetics. Aristote. Paris. 1692.

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La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (fra) (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.)

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 22 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 22 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 22 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 22 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 22 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 22.15 focus
Now it is precisely owing to their being not in common use, that such expressions have the effect of giving elevation to the diction. But this he did not know 1 .
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 22.15 focus
the order of the words, though their differing from common use is the very circumstance that elevates the style. But of this he was ignorant.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 22.15 focus
For all such forms of language, because they are not in common use, remove vulgarity from the diction. But this he did not know. 1
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Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-828

φαίνεσθαί πως χρώμενον: De gen. et corr. 1. 10, 328b 10
φαίνεται γάρ πως καὶ μικτὰ ἠρέμα
. A visible use of these artifices is one thing and a discreet use of them ( τὸ μέτριον, b 12) another. For the antithesis comp. Pol. 5. 11, 1314a 28
περί τε τὰς ἀπολαύσεις τὰς σωματικὰς [scil. δεῖ] τοὐναντίον ποιεῖν ἢ νῦν τινὲς τῶν τυράννων ποιοῦσιν· οὐ γὰρ μόνον εὐθὺς ἕωθεν τοῦτο δρῶσιν καὶ συνεχῶς πολλὰς ἡμέρας, ἀλλὰ καὶ φαίνεσθαι τοῖς ἄλλοις βούλονται τοῦτο πράττοντες, ἵν᾿ ὡς εὐδαίμονας καὶ μακαρίους θαυμάσωσιν· ἀλλὰ μάλιστα μὲν μετριάζειν τοῖς τοιούτοις, εἰ δὲ μή, τό γε φαίνεσθαι τοῖς ἄλλοις διαφεύγειν.
In the Rhetoric Aristotle lays down the same rule for oratory: the orator must use all the arts of language, but with discretion, so as not to allow his use of them to become too apparent: Rhet. 3. 2, 1404b 18
διὸ δεῖ λανθάνειν ποιοῦντας, καὶ μὴ δοκεῖν λέγειν πεπλασμένως ἀλλὰ πεφυκότως
(comp. also 3. 7, 1408b 4 ).

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-829

τούτῳ τῷ τρόπῳ, scil. τῆς διαλέκτου; comp. οἱ ἐπιτιμῶντες τῷ τοιούτῳ τρόπῳ τῆς διαλέκτου in b 6, and τῷ τρόπῳ τούτῳ τῆς μεταφορᾶς χρῆσθαι in 21, 1457 b 30 . Vahlen, who supplies ἐπεκτάσεσι after χρώμενον, takes τούτῳ τῷ τρόπῳ as equivalent to τοῦτον τὸν τρόπον.

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-830

12 τὸ δὲ μέτριον. If the traditional reading, τὸ δὲ μέτρον, be retained, we have to understand μέτρον in the sense of 'measure' or 'limit'. The objection to this interpretation is that μέτρον has the sense of 'metre' in the immediate context (b 16), and that any other sense would be somewhat confusing in a passage dealing with 'metrical' licences. τὸ μέτριον, on the other hand, is certified by more than one parallel in the Rhetoric: Rhet. 3. 2, 1405a 32
εὐλαβεῖσθαι δὲ δεῖ καὶ παρατηρεῖν ἐν ἀμφοῖν τὸ μέτριον.
— 3. 3, 1406a 16
ἀλλὰ δεῖ στοχάζεσθαι τοῦ μετρίου, ἐπεὶ μεῖζον ποιεῖ κακὸν τοῦ εἰκῇ λέγειν· ἡ μὲν γὰρ οὐκ ἔχει τὸ εὖ, ἡ δὲ τὸ κακῶς, διὸ τὰ Ἀλκιδάμαντος ψυχρὰ φαίνεται· οὐ γὰρ ἡδύσματι χρῆται ἀλλ᾽ ὡς ἐδέσματι τοῖς ἐπιθέτοις, οὕτω πυκνοῖς καὶ μείζοσι καὶ ἐπιδήλοις.
In another passage, Rhet. 2. 14, 1390b 8
ὅσα δ᾽ ὑπερβάλλουσιν ἢ ἐλλειπουσι, τούτων τὸ μέτριον καὶ τὸ ἁρμόττον
, we find Aristotle passing from the idea of τὸ μέτριον to that of τὸ ἁρμόττον just as he does here in the context (b 15).

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-831

κοινὸν ἁπάντων ἐστὶ τῶν μερῶν: Rhet. 3. 7, 1408a 36
τὸ δ᾽ εὐκαίρως ἢ μὴ εὐκαίρως χρῆσθαι κοινὸν ἁπάντων τῶν εἰδῶν ἐστιν.
b 14

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

10. mvp-aristotle-comment-520

22.10 10. Mais de ſe ſervir toujours de ces façons de parler, c'est cette affectation qui fait le ridicule, & non pas la chose meme.] 1

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

201. mvp-aristotle-comment-201

NOTE 201. P. 111.

22.10 WHEN THESE LICENCES APPEAR TO BE THUS PURPOSELY USED.
Το μεν ουν ΦΑΙΝΕΣΘΑΙ πως χρωμενον, κ. τ. ἀλ.
—The force, both of
φαινεσθαι
, which I understand to be emphatic here, and of
πως
, seems perfectly well explained by Castelvetro.
"Non ſo perchè alcuni vogliano rimuovere di queſto teſto, πως, eſſendoci ſtato poſto per dimostrare, che allora il vitio ſi ſcopre, e'l riſo ſi muove, quando fi comincia in alcun modo a riconoſcere, che il poeta ha uſata a ſtudio, e ricercata queſta maniera di parole."
p. 482. So, too, Piccolomini's translation—
"l'eſſer veduto---uſar coſi fatto modo di locutione."
—For
πως
, I once suspected we should read
ΑΠΡΈπως
; as presently after—
χρωμενοι ἀπρεπως
. But I believe
πως
is right:—
aliquo modo
.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

6. mvp-aristotle-comment-164

Ritter, cap. 22 § 6

τὸ μὲν οὖν φαίνεσθαί πως χρώμενον τούτῳ τῷ τρόπῳ γελοῖον: ac deprehendi quodammodo utentem hoc genere ridiculum est. φαίνεσθαί πως χρώμενον τούτῳ τῷ τρόπῳ est ita his uti orationis ornamentis ut deprehendaris, h. e. ut dedita opera te fecisse appareat. conf. Rhetor. III, 2 sub init. ibi oratoribus, quos illis ornamentis etiam parcius quam poetas uti convenit, praecepit διὸ δεῖ λανθάνειν ποιοῦντας, καὶ μὴ δοκεῖν λέγειν πεπλασμένως cet. τὸ δὲ μέτρον κοινὸν ἁπάντων ἐστὶ τῶν με - ρῶν: metrum autem commune est omnium partium. quomodo aliis haec placeant nescio: mihi displicere scio. hoc certum est, τὸ μέτρον intelligi non posse iustum modum: is enim si intelligeretur, μέτρον ΤΙ scribi debuit, non ΤΟ μέτρον, et μέτρον τι γὰρ poni debuit vel ἀλλὰ μέτρον τι, non μέτρον δὲ, porro κοινὸν δεῖ εἶναι, non κοινόν ἐστι, postremo ἁπασῶν ἰδεῶν, non ἁπάντων μερῶν. hisce alienis autem sublatis, optime procedit sententia: ridiculum esse deprehendi τὸ μὲν aliquem consectantem extensiones. tum quasi per parenthesin monetur etiam in ceteris illis formis nimium earum usum ridiculum videri ¹); tandem sequitur id pronuntiatum - τὸ δὲ ἁρμόττον ὅσον διαφέρει -, quod priori illi οὖν φαίνεσθαί πως χρώμενον τούτῳ τῷ τρόπῳ γελοῖον contrarium positum est. sed unde suppositicia orta sunt ? ex glossa marginali, quemadmodum docebo ad §. 7.