Aristote Poetics 16.4

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Ces marques peuvent être employées avec plus ou moins d'art, comme on peut le voir dans la reconnoiſſance d'Ulyſſe par la cicatrice de ſa bleſſure, car il eſt reconnu par ſa nourriſſe autrement que par ſes bergers.

Poetics. Aristote. Paris. 1692.

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La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (fra) (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.)

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 16 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 16 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 16 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 16 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 16 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 16 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 16 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 16 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 16.4 focus
Even these, however, may be employed with more, or less skill. The discovery of Ulysses, for example, to his nurse, by means of his scar, is very different from his discovery, by the same means, to the herdsmen.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 16.4 focus
for example, Ulysses is discovered by means of a scar; but in a different manner to Euryclea [D] and the swine-herds: now, where tokens are shewn purposely to gain credit as in the last instance, they are very inartificial; but when the discovery is accidental, like that made to Euryclea, they have more merit. 1 2 3 4
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 16.4 focus
Thus Ulysses, through his scar, is in one way known by his nurse, and in another by the swineherds. For the discoveries which are for the sake of credibility, are more in artificial, and all 1 2 3 4 5 of them are of this kind;
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 16 focus
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 16 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 16 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 16 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 16 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 16 focus

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

4. mvp-aristotle-comment-572

ὑπὸ τῆς τροφοῦ: Od. 19. 386-475 .

4. mvp-aristotle-comment-573

ὑπὸ τῶν συβοτῶν: Od. 21. 205-225 . The distinction Aristotle finds between the two instances is this: whereas the scar is seen by Euryclia by accident and in the natural course of things, with the herdsmen Ulysses directly points to it πίστεως ἕνεκα, in order to convince them of the truth of his disclosure: Od. 21. 217
καὶ σῆμα ἀριφραδὲς ἄλλο τι δείξω, ὄφρα μ᾿ ἐὺ γνῶτον πιστωθῆτόν τ᾽ ἐνὶ θυμῷ, οὐλήν, τήν ποτέ με σὓς ἤλασε λευκῷ ὀδόντι
. In one of his lost writings, perhaps the Ἀπορήματα Ομηρικά, Aristotle criticized this Discovery as resting on an error of logic :
Ἀριστοτέλης δέ, φασίν, ἐπιλαμβάνεται τοῦ τοιούτου ἀναγνωρισμοῦ, λέγων ὡς ἄρα κατὰ τὸν ποιητὴν τῷ τοιούτῳ λόγῳ πᾶς οὐλὴν ἔχων Ὀδυσσεύς ἐστιν
( fr. 208 Heitz ; Porph. in Od. p. 126 Schrader ).

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-395

16.4 Ces marques peuvent être employées avec plus ou moins d'art, comme on peut le voir dans la reconnoiſſance d'Ulyſſe par la cicatrice de ſa bleſſure; car il est reconnu par sa nourriſſe au-trement que par les bergers.] 1

Commentary on the Poetics (Henry James Pye, 1792) (OCR draft) (Henry James Pye's 1792 English commentary, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

16.2. mvp-aristotle-comment-59 16.4

THE SECOND ARE THOSE INVENTED BY THE POET AND THEREFORE INARTIFICIAL.

THIS passage at first fight appears very extraordinary as all the modes of discovery may be said to be invented by the poet. But Aristotle soon explains himself by the example he gives of [c] Orestes in the Iphigenia in Tauris, who is not discovered to his sister as she is to him by a natural and accidental circumstance, but from saying what the poet chose to put in his mouth: that is in fact by declaring directly he is Orestes, and bringing such proof as he, or rather the poet thought necessary, as describing a particular spear, and a piece of Electra's embroidery, which used to be in her chamber, and which from the reserved life of the women of Greece, could have been only seen by a near connection as a father or brother. But this mode of discovery the critic adds borders on what he had blamed in the former species, the introduction of tokens for the fole purpose of confirming the discovery; for Orestes might as well have [D] actually introduced a token, as recalled the memory of one. For this sense of the passage I acknowledge myself obliged to Mr.. Twining. It perfectly agrees with the context. The similitude between this and the first mode is striking as well as with the web of Philomela; for however affected the voice of a shuttle' may be to [c] Perhaps the whole circle of fable ancient and modern, does not afford a more interesting and affecting discovery than that of Joseph to his brothers in the sacred scriptures.. [D] Εξῆν γὰρ ἕνια καὶ ἐνεγκεῖν. See note on the translation. express
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. express [E] a story represented in embroidery, it seems to be the most reasonable interpretation that can be given of it: and its resemblance with the embroidery of Electra is very obvious. Neither do I think the objection started by Mr. Twining, that a traditional circumstance like this, could not be said to be an invention of the poet has much weight. For though the story is now very common from being related in so popular a work as Ovid's Metamorphofes, it does not follow it was so in the time of Sophocles, or that he might not have invented it in the tragedy now mentioned. That such a thing is very possible appears from the tale of Achilles being invulnerable [F]; which, though imputed to Homer, seems to have originated with Statius.

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

3. mvp-aristotle-comment-112

Ritter, cap. 16 § 3

ἔστι δὲ καὶ τούτοις - ἐν τοῖς Νίπτροις, βελτίους: haec non malam sententiam continent, quae si alio loco legeretur pro Aristotelia haberi fortasse posset, sed tamen duo insunt quae alienam manum prodant. Ulixes a nutrice Euryclea inter lavandum inopinato ex cicatrice agnoscitur. vid. Odyss. T. 386 sqq. hanc agnitionem cum mox dicit fieri ἐκ περιπετείας, aliam ac multum distantem significationem huic nomini dedit quam verus Aristoteles c. 10 et 11. - καὶ ἄλλως ὑπὸ τῶν συβοτῶν: ab Eumaco et Philoetio Ulixes agnoscitur, cum ut fidem faceret ( πίστεως ἕνεκα) cicatricem illam ipse monstrasset. vid. Odyss. Ф. 217 sqq. sed illi qui agnoscebant num συβόται erant ? immo Philoetius βουκόλος erat, Eumaeus συβότης. hoc alterum est vitium interpolatoris securitati tribuendum. Νίπτρα undevicesima Odysseae rhapsodia vel potius pars eius libri vocabatur. vid. ad cap. 24, 9 extr. de perdita Sophoclis fabula, quae modo Νίπτρα modo Ὀδυσσεὺς ἀκανθύπληξ appellatur, hic nemo cogitaverit.