Aristote Poetics 13.4

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Bien plus, on ne doit pas repreſenter les malheurs d'un tres méchant homme. Véritablement une telle repreſentation peut faire quelque plaiſir; mais elle ne produira ny la crainte ny la pitié, car la premiere naît des malheurs de nos ſemblables & l'autre des miſeres de ceux qui méritoient un meilleur fort. Et par conſequent un tel ſujet n'a rien qui ſoit ny pitoyable ny terrible.

Poetics. Aristote. Paris. 1692.

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Nor, again, should the fall of a very bad man from prosperous to adverse fortune be represented: because, though such a subject may be pleasing from its moral tendency, it will produce neither pity nor terror. For our pity is excited by misfortunes undeservedly suffered, and our terror, by some resemblance between the sufferer and ourselves. Neither of these effects will, therefore, be produced by such an event.
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for though such an arrangement might be agreeable to our feelings, it would excite neither pity nor terror; for one of these passions is excited by the misfortunes of an innocent [B] person, 1 2
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Nor, again, must a very depraved man be represented as having fallen from prosperity into adversity. For such a composition will indeed possess moral tendency, but not pity or fear. For the one is conversant with a character which does not deserve to be unfortunate; but the other, with a character similar [to one's own]. [And pity, indeed, is excited for one who does not deserve to be unfortunate; but fear, for one who resembles oneself2] ; so that the event will neither appear to be commiserable, nor terrible. 1
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Commentary

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δι᾽ ἁμαρτίαν τινά: a16
δι᾽ ἁμαρτίαν μεγάλην
. ἁμαρτία in the Aristotelian sense of the term is a mistake or error of judgement ( error in Lat.), and the deed done in consequence of it is an ἁμάρτημα ( erratum).
In the Ethics an ἁμάρτημα is said to originate not in vice or depravity but in ignorance of some material fact or circumstance: Eth. N. 5. 10, 1135 b 12
τὰ μὲν μετ᾿ ἀγνοίας ἁμαρτήματά ἐστιν ὅταν μήτε ὃν μήτε ὃ μήτε ᾧ μήτε οὗ ἕνεκα ὑπέλαβε πράξῃ· ἢ γὰρ οὐ βάλλειν ἢ οὐ τούτῳ ἢ οὐ τοῦτον ἢ οὐ τούτου ἕνεκα ᾠήθη... ὅταν μὲν οὖν παραλόγως ἡ βλάβη γένηται, ἀτύχημα, ὅταν δὲ μὴ παραλόγως ἄνευ δὲ κακίας, ἁμάρτημα
(comp. Rhet. 1. 13, 1374 b 6 ).
This ignorance, we are told in another passage, takes the deed out of the class of voluntary acts, and enables one to forgive or even pity the doer: Eth. N. 3. 2, 1110 b 31
οὐ γὰρ ἡ ἐν τῇ προαιρέσει ἄγνοια αἰτία τοῦ ἀκουσίου ἀλλὰ τῆς μοχθηρίας, οὐδ᾽ ἡ καθόλου (ψέγονται γὰρ διά γε ταύτην), ἀλλ᾽ ἡ καθ᾽ ἕκαστα, ἐν οἷς καὶ περὶ ἃ ἡ πρᾶξις· ἐν τούτοις γὰρ καὶ ἔλεος καὶ συγγνώμη
(comp. Thuc. 1. 32. 5 ).
In thus making the tragic story turn on an ἁμαρτία Aristotle is probably thinking more immediately of the Oedipus Tyrannus (comp. 14, 1453 b 29). It is strange that the ἁμαρτία or ἁμαρτία μεγάλη, of which Aristotle is speaking, should have been taken by Tumlirz (l. c. p. 25) and others to mean not an error of judgement, but some ethical fault or infirmity of character, like those indicated in 15, 1454 b 12. The Sophoclean Oedipus is a man of hasty temper (comp. O. T. 807), but his ἁμαρτία was not in that, but in the 'great mistake' he made, when he became unwittingly the slayer of his own father.
1453a 12

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13.5 Il ne reſte donc que celuy qui tient le milieu, & qui n'étant ny vertueux ny juſte dans un ſouverain degré, ne s'attire pas non plus ſes malheurs par ſes méchancetez & par ſes crimes.] 1

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13.5 Il faut choiſir parmy ceux qui font dans une fortune éclatante & dans une grande réputation, quelque perſonnage illuſ-tre.] 2

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13.5 Qui ſe ſoit rendu malheureux par quelque faute involontaire.] 3

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13.5 Comme Edipe.] 4

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13.5 Thyeste.] 5

Commentary on the Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (Thomas Twining's notes on Aristotle's Poetics, aligned to the Kassel reference edition.) focus

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NOTE 96. P. 87.

13.5 NOR YET INVOLVED IN MISFORTUNE BY DELIBERATE VICE, OR VILLAINY; BUT BY SOME ERROR OF HUMAN FRAILTY.
Μητε δια κακιαν και μοχθηρίαν μεταβαλλων εις την δυστυχιαν, άλλα δι' ἁμαρτίαν τινα
— Thus, in the Ethic. Nicom. V. 10. p. 69. he uses
μοχθηρια
, and
κακια
, as synonymous: and, VII. 9 ; where he says of
μοχθηρια
, that it is
ΣΥΝΕΧΗΣ πονηρια
—a vitious character, disposition, habit, &c. It also implies deliberate choice and intention, (
— όταν δε ἐκ προαιρέσεως, μοχθηρία
, V. 8. ) in opposition to
ἁμαρτια
, which excludes
προαιρεσις
, and is
ἄνευ ΚΑΚΙΑΣ
.
To understand rightly what the philosopher says in this part of his work on Poetry, and especially his application of his doctrine to such characters as Oedipus and Thyestes, we ought carefully to take his own sense of his own words. For want of this, Dacier 1 confounds himself and his readers in his note about Thyestes. He mistakes Aristotle's sense of
ἁμαρτια
. Dacier's "involontaire" includes both
ἀκουσιον
, and
ἀπροβουλευτον
, which Aristotle dis- tinguishes; his
ἁμαρτηματα
being not involuntary, but only, not
ἐκ προαιρέσεως
. See the whole cap. x, of lib. 5 , as above. One passage, in cap. ix. of lib. 7 , will particularly illustrate Aristotle's examples.
O ΑΚΡΑΤΕΙΣ
(such were Oedipus and Thyestes, men of ungovernable passion,)
ΑΔΙΚΟΙ μεν οὐκ εἰσι
, (i. e. are not unjust men—not
κακοι, μοχθηροι
, of bad dispositions, &c.)
ΑΔΙΚΟΥΣΙ δε
yet they commit transient and occasional wrong,
δια παθους
, as he says elsewhere 2 . The objections made by Corneille, Fontenelle, and other critics, to such subjects as that of the Oedipus, which they hold to be improper for Tragedy on account of the supposed fatality of the crimes committed, are well and solidly answered in an excellent note of the Abbé Batteux upon this passage.

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Ritter, cap. 13 § 2

ἐπειδὴ οὖν δεῖ-ἀλλὰ πεπλεγμένην: haec scribit respiciens quae c. 11. disputaverat. illud tamen, fabulam implexam esse pulcherrimam, non tam demonstravit quam obscure significavit, nisi illa disputatio in brevius ab epitomatore quodam contracta est. conf. Comment. ad. c. 18, 5 extr. τοὺς ἐπιεικεῖς ἄνδρας: vir ἐπιεικής is est quem esse decet, h. e. nullis vitiis infectus, et pluribus virtutibus ornatus. οὐ γὰρ φοβερὸν οὐδὲ ἐλεεινὸν τοῦτο, ἀλλὰ μιαρόν ἐστιν: viri egregie innocentis insignis calamitas in tragoedia repraesentata neque metum neque miserationem nostram potest excitare, propterea quod illam accidere posse primum credere vix sustinemus, tum quod indignatio de eiusmodi casu in nobis orta metum miserationemque opprimere solet. illud enim indignum est ac foedum ( μιαρόν), ideoquc non misereri nos facit, sed indignari. huius pronuntiati veritatem praeclare perspexit et optime vindicavit Lessingius in Dramaturgia Hamburgensi c. 82. οὔτε γὰρ φιλάνθρωπον οὔτε ἐλεεινὸν οὔτε φοβερόν ἐστιν : ubi improbus ex infelice felix evaserit, neque timor neque miseratio, ne id quidem quod prope ad miserationem accedit, h. e. τὸ φιλάνθρωπον, excitari potest. τὸ μὲν γὰρ φιλάνθρωπον ἔχοι ἂν ἡ τοιαύτη σύστασις: si vir improbus pro felice factus erit infelix, ne id quidem tragicum videbitur. nam cum ea sit humanissimi cuiusque natura, ut vel scelestissimi hominis calamitate moveatur, miseratio tamen metusque illa re oriri nequeunt. nam ut miseratione afficiamur, requiritur ut innocens sit qui aerumnis conflictatur: ὁ μὲν ( ἔλεος) γὰρ περὶ τὸν ἀνάξιών ἐστι δυστυχοῦντα. conf. Rhetor. II, 8 et 9. nec vero metus emergit, ne nobis idem accidat, cum nemo spectantium vel legentium tam sese improbum esse credat, ut simili poena plecti çommereat. ἔλεος μὲν περὶ τὸν ἀνάξιον, φόβος δὲ περὶ τὸν ὅμοιον: mirum sane videtur neminem adhuc vidisse haec orta esse ex nota in margine posita. nimirum additamentum ad sententiam enuntiandam non modo plane supervacaneum est, sed etiam his verbis sublatis ne vestigium quidem obscuritatis exsistit, cum unusquisque Graece mediocriter doctus ὁ μὲν referri intelligat ad έλεον modo positum, alterum autem ὁ δὲ ad φόβον. copiosius Aristoteles de miseratione metuque disputavit in Rhetoricis II, 5 et 8 et 9.

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Ritter, cap. 13 § 3

ἔστι δὲ τοιοῦτος – δι᾽ ἁμαρτίαν τινά : hanc sententiam Aristoteles pronuntiavit tum ob finem tragoediae optime a se perspectum, tum ob praeclara tragicae artis Graecorum opera, ex quibus prae ceteris Sophoclias tragoedias videtur respexisse. conferenda sunt quae Lessingius ad hunc locum illustrandum exposuit in opere illo laudatissimo c. 82. κακία improbitas est animo inhaerescens; μοχθηρία et πονηρία improbis factis alios laedit: μόχθους vel πόνους aliis hominibus creare solet ὁ μοχθηρός et ὁ πονηρός. τῶν ἐν μεγάλῃ δόξῃ ὄντων καὶ εὐτυ χίᾳ: haec non iam ex prioribus necessario consequuntur, sed nova accedunt. homines magni nominis ac felices tragoediae aptiores sunt, propterea quod περιπέτεια in talibus admodum illustris contingit. accedit quod multis spectantium facta moresque horum hominum cognita sunt. οἷον Οἰδίπους καὶ Θυέστης: praeter alios quod tres illi Graecae tragoediae principes Oedipi nomine tragoedias scripserunt, ex quibus ad nos pervenit duplex ille Sophoclis Oedipus, quod item Sophocles Thyestae nomine duas, unam Carcinus et Agatho unam evulgavit, id h. 1. Aristoteles non respexit, sed Oedi pum et Thyestam tamquam personas a mythica historia oblatas tragoediaeque aptas designavit.