Aristotle Poetics 25.8

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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If, however, this end can be more or less attained,

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 25 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 25 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 25 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 25 focus
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Yet it may be an excusable fault, provided the end of the Poet's art be more effectually obtained by it; that is, according to what has already been said of that end, if, by this means, that, or any other part, of the Poem, is made to produce a more striking effect 1 .
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 25.8 focus
But if it does not come under either of these descriptions, he may say it is according to received opinion as in what relates to the gods. For the things we say of them may neither be better than they really are, nor according to truth; since as Xenophanes observes, ' in these [D] things ' there is nothing evident.' Or, if the objection cannot be answered by saying it is better than the common opinion, perhaps it may be said that the fact was actually so at that time
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Premierement ſi le Poëte avance des choſes impoſſibles dans les regles mêmes de ſon Art, il commet une faute ſans contredit. Mais elle ceſſe d'être faute, lorſque par ce moyen il arrive à la fin qu'il ſe ſe propoſée; car il a trouvé ce qu'il cher-choit. Par exemple, ſi par là il rend cet endroit, ou quelqu'autre partie de ſon Poëme, plus étonnant & plus admirable, & tel eſt cet endroit de l'Iliade, où Achille pourſuit Hector.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 25 focus
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Commentary

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8. mvp-aristotle-comment-981

1460b24 τὸ γὰρ τέλος εἴρηται: a reason for the statement that follows (see on 21, 1457 b 34 ). For the use of εἴρηται (which has been very unadvisedly questioned and altered into εὕρηται, αἱρεῖται, εἴληπται, or τηρεῖται) see on 11, 1452 b 11 .

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-982

1460b25 εἰ οὕτως ἐκπληκτικώτερον κτέ. is appositional to εἰ τυγχάνει τοῦ τέλους τοῦ αὐτῆς. Vahlen compares Metaph. E 3, 1027 b 30
εἰ γὰρ μὴ τοῦτο, ἐξ ἀνάγκης πάντ᾿ ἔσται, εἰ τοῦ γιγνομένου καὶ φθειρομένου μὴ κατὰ συμβεβηκὸς αἴτιόν τι ἀνάγκη εἶναι.
- Plato Gorg. 522 C
εἰ ἐκεῖνό γε ἐν αὐτῷ ὑπάρχοι, ὦ Καλλίκλεις, ὃ σὺ πολλάκις ὡμολόγησας, εἰ βεβοηθηκὼς εἴη αὑτῷ κτἑ.;
and Hyperides Euxen. 23, 24 , Lysias 3, 38 . The clause only gives an illustration, not a complete account of the end of poetry. That surprise is one of the legitimate effects of poetry was definitely said, though the point is nowhere demonstrated, in 24, 1460a 11 ; it has been assumed also in 9, 1452 a 4 , in 14, 1454 a 4 , and in 16, 1455 a 17 For the meaning of ἐκπληκτικώτερον see on 14, 1454 a 4 .

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

11. mvp-aristotle-comment-606

25.8 11. Premierement fi le Poëte avance des choses impoſſibles dans les regles mêmes de fon art, il commet une faute ſans con-tredit; mais elle ceffe d'être faute, lorſque par ce moyen il arri-ve à la fin qu'il s'eſt proposée.] 1

12. mvp-aristotle-comment-607

25.8 12. Si par là il rend cet endroit, ou quelqu'autre partie de fon Poëme, plus étonnant & plus admirable.] 2

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234. mvp-aristotle-comment-234

NOTE 234.

25.8 P. 123. ACCORDING TO WHAT HAS BEEN ALREADY SAID OF THAT END.
Τὸ γὰρ τέλος ΕΙΡΗΤΑΙ.
This reading has been questioned; but, I think, without sufficient reason. It may very well be understood to refer to all that Aristotle had said, or, at least, hinted, about the end of the art—the
θαυμαστόν
, ch. xxiv. —
ἔκπληξις
, cap. xiv. and xvi. &c. This is not the only instance in this treatise, of reference to something implied, as if it had been expressly said. See NOTE 150, p. 396, and note (g.)
Victorius illustrates
ἐκπληκτικώτερον
by an apt quotation from Aristotle himself:
Δοκεῖ δὲ ἡ ΕΚΠΛΗΞΙΣ ΘΑΥΜΑΣΙΟΤΗΣ εἶναι ΥΠΕΡΒΑΛΛΟΥΣΑ.
Top. lib. iv. Strabo says—
Μύθου ΤΕΛΟΣ, ἡδονὴν καὶ ΕΚΠΛΗΞΙΝ.
p. 25. ed. Caf.

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25.4. mvp-aristotle-comment-112 25.8

OR PERHAPS IT MAY BE SAID THAT THE FACT WAS ACTUALLY SO AT THAT TIME.

IF the poet has so managed as to represent the customs of the time in which the action of his poem is supposed to have passed, however contrary they may be to those of his own age, so far from needing an excuse it will itself be strong proof of merit. In this the excellence of Homer, as a just imitator of the manners of the age he wrote on, is Thewn by a particular instance. (F) In his own time the art of horfe- [F] See Pope's Essay on Homer's battles. manship
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. manship was arrived at a pitch of perfection capable of rivalling the exploits of Hughes and Astley. But though in his fifteenth Iliad, ν. 679, (ν. 822 of Pope's tranflation) when he speaks in his own person he does not fcruple to compare Ajax leaping from deck to deck of the Grecian vessels to a skilful horfeman, who manages [G] four horses at a time, leaping occafionally from the back of one to the other; yet in defcribing the different evolutions of the field he never puts his warriors on horfeback, but always represents them as fighting from chariots. But the excuse which Ariftotle means to make is from the poet's representing things as they were at the time while he was writing, which, as far as they differ only from the time of the criticism, is allowable; but if they differ from the practice of the time concerning which the poet is writing, they are excusable only on the fame principle with the objections mentioned in the first note on this chapter. Virgil has been guilty of this fault in the very circumstance just mentioned of the horfemanship of Homer's heroes. For Afcanius is represented as an expert horseman soon after he is at Carthage. Our Shakespear is too often guilty of this fault, and is apt to make the customs of all ages and countries congenial with those of his own. [G] Pope has entirely destroyed the difficulty of this manœuvre by saying they were Four fair coursers practised to obey." Here is an instance, it is true, of the sense and spirit of the original facrificed to rhyme; but could not Pope have done better when a very inferior rhymist might have written, • So when some man, the courser skill'd to rein, • Four steeds selecting from a num'rous train, • To the full city from th' extended mead, • Impels their flight, and urges on their speed.' When
When however he only incurs the censure made by hypercriticism, and to which the candor of Aristotle here furnishes an answer, he affords fometimes entertainment and sometimes difficulty to the antiquarian. We learn that in the days of Queen Elizabeth rooms of state were strewed with rushes, and we hear with furprize, that the [H] dagger was used for breaking heads, as we now speak of a cudgel. How abfurd will the equestrian expedition of Sophia and her maid appear to future readers, who shall not know that in the year 1745 poft chaises, which became very foon after so universal, were hardly if at all used. I do not exactly know when two-wheeled chaises (now entirely laid afide) were partially introduced from France, but I very well remember the first four-wheel chaise that run post, introduced by March of Maidenhead-bridge, at least eight years fince the era of Tom Jones. There is a passage in the Spectator that may probably puzzle our pofterity, who will hear fo much of the exclusive merit of English gardening and its comparative excellence and diftinguishing character when opposed to the fame art among our neighbours, from the writers of the present day. • We have before observed, that there is generally in nature something more grand and august than what we meet with in the curiofities of art. When therefore we see this imitated in any measure it gives us a [H] The old English dagger must have something resembled a stick with a tuck at the end of it, as in Grofe's account of ancient armour, one of the uses ascribed to it in miliof faftening tary service is to be stuck in the ground for the purpose a horse to it.
• nobler
POETIC OF ARISTOTLE. ⚫ nobler and more exalted kind of pleasure than what we receive from • the nicer and more accurate productions of art: on this account our • English gardens are not so entertaining to the fancy as those in France • and Italy, where we fee a large extent of ground covered over with an ، . agreeable mixture of garden and foreft, which represent every where an artificial rudeness, much more charming than that neatness and elegancy which we meet with in those of our own country. - • Our British gardeners instead of humouring nature love to deviate • from it as much as possible. Our trees rise in cones, globes and pyra- ، mids. We see the marks of the scissars upon every plant and bush.' SPECTATOR, No. 414, by ADDISON. Pope's Epistle to Lord Burlington will appear equally furprizing.

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5. mvp-aristotle-comment-188

Ritter, cap. 25 § 5

ὥστε δεῖ- λύειν: si reprehenduntur nonnulla in quodam artis poeticae opere a quaestionum subtilium captatoribus, ad diluendas reprehensiones quaerere convenit, utrum ars (poetica) ipsa peccaverit an peccatum ab alia arte acceptum propagaverit. quid excusationis et quando proferendum sit, ubi ars ipsa ἀδύνατα commiserit, continuo docet verbis πρῶτον μέν -Ἕκτορος δίωξις. τὸ γὰρ τέλος – ποιεῖ μέρος: respicit quae paulo ante (c. 24, 8) apud verum Aristotelem legit, unde perperam colligit epicae poesis finem esse ut admirationem faciat ( τὸ ἐκπλήττειν), id quod Aristoteles nusquam dixit neque dicere potuit. idem falsus auctor ex loco indicato exemplum illud suum sumpsit, sed tam obscure breviterque, ut hominem decet in exemplis unice versantem et nihil ultra exempla sapientem. — εἰ μέντοι τὸ τέλος - περὶ τούτων τέχνην: in his primum friget 5) Noli defendere falsum auctorem eiusmodi locis, qualis est in Topicis VI, 4 init. πρῶτον μὲν εἰ μὴ διὰ προτέρων καὶ γνωριμωτέρων πεποίηται τὸν ὁρισμόν.additum ἢ μᾶλλον ἢ ἧττον, tum subobscurum est quid sibi velint illa καὶ κατὰ τὴν περὶ τούτων τέχνην, quibus idem significari videtur quod modo monitum est, εἰ οὕτως ἐκπληκτικώτερον ἢ αὐτὸ ἢ ἄλλο ποιεῖ μέρος, h. e. si ne id quidem excusationis gratia dici potest, οὕτω ἐκπληκτικώτερον γίγνεσθαι ἢ αὐτὸ ἢ ἄλλο μέρος. nimirum technicus hic noster ubique artes loquitur. cf. Commentar. ad c. 20, 4. ἔτι ποτέρων - κακομιμήτως ἔγραψεν: alteram illam levioremque peccandi rationem interrogando et lectorem quasi excitando proponit, postquam priorem absolvit. si poeta κατὰ συμβεβηκός peccavit, illum peccasse quidem sed levius esse peccatum excusantes dicemus. illa ἔλαττον γὰρ – κακομιμήτως ἔγραψεν exempli gratia afferuntur. si quis cervae cornua tribuit (id quod et alii poetae fecerunt et Pindarus Ol. III, 29. vid. Boeckhii Explicationes ad h. 1.), is eam non κακομιμήτως γράφει, interpolatore quippe iudice: non enim quae sunt male describit ( κακομιμήτως γράφει), sed quae non sunt, eorum unum aliquid admisit, ut magis peccaverit in ἱστορίαν τῶν ζῴων quam in ipsam artem poeticam. hem astutias. similiter, ut poetae cornutas cervas producentes, Aristophanes peccavit, dum scribit in Nubibus 151. ἐνέβαψεν εἰς τὸν κηρὸν αὐτῆς (pulicis) τώ πόδε, ubi scholiasta: δυϊκὸν τὼ πόδε ἐπὶ τῆς ψύλλης κακῶς· λέγεται γὰρ ἓξ ἔχειν πόδας.