Aristotle Poetics 24.17

Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator)

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Now, the wonderful phases ; of which this is an indication, that all men. when they wish to gratify their hearers, add something to what they relate. 1 Homer also in the highest degree taught others how to feign in a proper manner. But this is a paralogism. For men fancy that when the consequent follows or results from the antecedent, the consequent may be converted, and that the antecedent will follow from the consequent. This, however, is false.

Poetics. Aristotle. Theodore Alois Buckley (Translator). London. 1857.

Current edition Experimental

The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) (English) (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.)

Provisional text from uncorrected OCR; expect errors.

Editions (4)
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 24 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 24 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 24 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Franz Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's 1839 Greek edition, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 24 focus
Translations (13)
Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 24 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 24 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 24 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 24 focus
Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) Experimental (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 24.17 focus
Now the wonderful always pleases; as is evident from the additions which men always make in relating any thing, in order to gratify the hearers.
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 24.17 focus
or the man in the tragedy of the Myfians, who comes from Tegea to Myfia without speaking.
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 24 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 24.17 focus
Or le merveilleux eſt toûjours agreable, & une preuve de cela, c'eſt que ceux qui racontent quelque choſe ajoûtent d'ordinaire à la verité pour plaire d'avantage à ceux qui les écoutent.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 24 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 24 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 24 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition) (OCR draft) Experimental (The Arabic translation attributed to Abū Bishr Mattā, edited by Jaroslaus Tkatsch in 1928 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 24 focus
Arabic Poetics (Abū Bishr Mattā; Tkatsch edition, unaligned) (OCR draft) Experimental (Tkatsch's edition of the medieval Arabic translation in its original, unaligned segmentation.) — 24 focus

Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. 9. False reasonings respecting poetry.

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

17. mvp-aristotle-comment-940

τὸ δὲ θαυμαστὸν ἡδύ: Rhet. 3. 2, 1404 b 10
διὸ δεῖ ποιεῖν ξένην τὴν διάλεκτον· θαυμασταὶ γὰρ [scil. οἱ ἄνθρωποι] τῶν ἀπόντων εἰσίν, ἡδὺ δὲ τὸ θαυμαστόν
. A reason is given in Rhet. 1. 11, 1371 b 31 :
καὶ τὸ μανθάνειν καὶ τὸ θαυμάζειν ἡδὺ ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ πολύ· ἐν μὲν γὰρ τῷ θαυμάζειν τὸ ἐπιθυμεῖν μαθεῖν ἐστιν, ὥστε τὸ θαυμαστόν ἐπιθυμητόν, ἐν δὲ τῷ μανθάνειν εἰς τὸ κατὰ φύσιν καθίστασθαι
.

17. mvp-aristotle-comment-941

18 προστιθέντες, 'with additions'; the same absolute use of the word is found in 26, 1461 b 30 ( προσθῇ).
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Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

26. mvp-aristotle-comment-582

24.17 26. Or le merveilleux eſt toûjours agreable.] 1

27. mvp-aristotle-comment-583

24.17 27. Et une preuve de cela eſt, que ceux qui racontent quelque choſe ajoûtent d'ordinaire à la verité, pour plaire d'avantage à ceux qui les écoûtent.] 2

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

8. mvp-aristotle-comment-180

Ritter, cap. 24 § 8

μᾶλλον δ᾽ ἐνδέχεται ἐν τῇ ἐποποιίᾳ τὸ ἄλογον κτλ. quod ratione caret ( τὸ ἄλογον) in tragoedia admitti fere non licet ¹), magis autem licet in epopoeia, unde sponte consequitur mirum ( τὸ θαυμαστόν) quoque et magis etiam admitti posse in epopoeia, quoniam mirari nascitur potissimum ex causarum ignoratione. sed ad hoc advertere voluit lectorem verbis interpositis δι' ὃ συμβαίνει μάλιστα τὸ θαυμαστόν, quia paulo post de eo quod mirum est tamquam epopoeiae proprio loquitur. nisi autem lenissimam Hermanni mutationem δι' ὃ pro διὸ eiusdemque loci dispositionem adoptaverimus, bona sententia multum corrumpitur. scilicet ante Hermannum legebatur et apud Bekkerum etiamnum legitur et distinguitur τὸ ἄλογον. διὸ συμβαίνει μάλιστα τὸ θαυμαστόν, διὰ τὸ κτλ. ἐπεὶ τὰ περὶ τὴν Ἕκτορος δίωξιν - ὁ δὲ ἀνα - νεύων: respicit versus Iliadis X. 205-207. similiter Megaclides grammaticus, de quo in scholiis ad h. 1. refertur (apud Bekkerum p. 595 a 42), Μεγακλείδης πλᾶσμα εἶναί φησι τοῦτο τὸ μονομάχιον· πῶς γὰρ τοσαύτας μυριάδας νεύματι ᾿Αχιλλεὺς ἀπέστρεφεν; digna sunt etiam quae huc transcribantur verba Hermanni (ex Comment. eius ad h. 1. p. 176): "ac mirum sane et paene incredibile, non solum Graecos in summo discrimine a telis coniiciendis sibi temperasse, sed 1) Conf. c. 15, 7. ἄλογον δὲ μηδὲν εἶναι ἐν τοῖς πράγμασιν, εἰ δὲ μή, ἔξω τῆς τραγωδίας.etiam Achillem concitatissimo cursu ruentem capitis motu id potuisse magno exercitui imperare."