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VI

Triton

Posidon

Amymone

Triton

Posidon, there is such a pretty girl coming to Lerna for water every day; I don’t know that I ever saw a prettier.

Posidon

What is she, a lady? or a mere water-carrier?

Triton

Oh no; she is one of the fifty daughters of that Egyptian king. Her name is Amymone; I asked about that and her family. Danaus understands discipline; he is bringing them up to do everything for themselves; they have to fetch water, and make themselves generally useful.

Posidon

And does she come all that way by herself, from Argos to Lerna?

Triton

Yes; and Argos, you know, is a thirsty place; she is always having to get water.

Posidon

Triton, this is most exciting. We must go and see her.

Triton

Very well. It is just her time now; I reckon she will be about half-way to Lerna.

Posidon

Bring out the chariot, then. Or no; it takes such a time getting it ready, and putting the horses to. Just fetch me out a good fast dolphin; that will be quickest.

Triton

Here is a racer for you.

Posidon

Good; now let us be off. You swim alongside.—Here we are at Lerna. I'll lie in ambush hereabouts; and you keep a look-out. When you see her coming—

Triton

Here she comes.

Posidon

A charming child; the dawn of loveliness. We must carry her off.

Amymone

Villain! where are you taking me to? You area kidnapper. I know who sent you—my uncle Aegyptus. I shall call my father.

Triton

Hush, Amymone; it is Posidon.

Amymone

Posidon? What do you mean? Unhand me, villain! would you drag me into the sea? Help, help, I shall sink and be drowned.

Posidon

Don’t be frightened; no harm shall be done to you. Come, you shall have a fountain called after you; it shall spring up in this very place, near the waves; I will strike the rock with my trident.—Think how nice it will be being dead, and not having to carry water any more, like all your sisters.

Francis George Fowler

Dialogi Marini. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

Current edition Perseus

Dialogues of the Sea-gods: (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 1. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

Editions (2)

Ἐνάλιοι Διάλογοι Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 6 focus

302

Τρίτωνος, Ἀμυμώνης καὶ Ποσειδῶνος

Τρίτων

ἐπὶ τὴν Λέρναν, ὦ Πόσειδον, παραγίνεται καθʼ ἑκάστην ἡμέραν ὑδρευσομένη παρθένος, πάγκαλόν τι χρῆμα· οὐκ οἶδα ἔγωγε καλλίω παῖδα ἰδών.

Ποσειδῶν

ἐλευθέραν τινά, ὦ Τρίτων, λέγεις, ἢ θεράπαινά τις ὑδροφόρος ἐστίν;

Τρίτων

οὐ μὲν οὖν, ἀλλὰ τοῦ Αἰγυπτίου ἐκείνου θυγάτηρ, μία τῶν πεντήκοντα καὶ αὐτή, Ἀμυμώνη τοὔνομα· ἐπυθόμην γὰρ ἥτις καλοῖτο καὶ τὸ γένος. ὁ Δαναὸς δὲ σκληραγωγεῖ τὰς θυγατέρας καὶ αὐτουργεῖν διδάσκει 303 καὶ πέμπει ὕδωρ τε ἀρυσομένας καὶ πρὸς τὰ ἄλλα παιδεύει ἀόκνους εἶναι αὐτάς.

Ποσειδῶν

μόνη δὲ παραγίνεται μακρὰν οὕτω τὴν ὁδὸν ἐξ Ἄργους ἐς Λέρναν;

Τρίτων

μόνη· πολυδίψιον δὲ τὸ Ἄργος, ὡς οἶσθα· ὥστε ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ ὑδροφορεῖν.

Ποσειδῶν

ὦ Τρίτων, οὐ μετρίως διετάραξάς με εἰπὼν τὰ περὶ τῆς παιδός· ὥστε ἴωμεν ἐπʼ αὐτήν.

Τρίτων

ἴωμεν· ἤδη γοῦν καιρὸς τῆς ὑδροφορίας· καὶ σχεδόν που κατὰ μέσην τὴν ὁδόν ἐστιν ἰοῦσα ἐς τὴν Λέρναν.

Ποσειδῶν

οὐκοῦν ζεῦξον τὸ ἅρμα· ἢ τοῦτο μὲν πολλὴν ἔχει τὴν διατριβὴν ὑπάγειν τοὺς ἵππους τῇ ζεύγλῃ καὶ τὸ ἅρμα ἐπισκευάζειν, σὺ δὲ ἀλλὰ δελφῖνά μοί τινα τῶν ὠκέων παράστησον· ἐφιππάσομαι γὰρ ἐπʼ αὐτοῦ τάχιστα.

304

Τρίτων

ἰδού σοι οὑτοσὶ δελφίνων ὁ ὠκύτατος.

Ποσειδῶν

εὖ γε· ἀπελαύνωμεν· σὺ δὲ παρανήχου, ὦ Τρίτων. κἀπειδὴ πάρεσμεν ἐς τὴν Λέρναν, ἐγὼ μὲν λοχήσω ἐνταῦθά που, σὺ δὲ ἀποσκόπει· ὁπόταν αἴσθῃ προσιοῦσαν αὐτὴν —

Τρίτων

αὕτη σοι πλησίον.

Ποσειδῶν

καλή, ὦ Τρίτων, καὶ ὡραία παρθένος· ἀλλὰ συλληπτέα ἡμῖν ἐστιν.

Ἀμυμώνη

ἄνθρωπε, ποῖ με ξυναρπάσας ἄγεις; ἀνδραποδιστὴς εἶ, καὶ ἔοικας ἡμῖν ὑπʼ Αἰγύπτου τοῦ θείου ἐπιπεμφθῆναι· ὥστε βοήσομαι τὸν πατέρα.

Τρίτων

σιώπησον, ὦ Ἀμυμώνη· Ποσειδῶν ἐστι.

Ἀμυμώνη

τί Ποσειδῶν λέγεις; τί βιάζῃ με, ὦ ἄνθρωπε, καὶ ἐς τὴν θάλατταν καθέλκεις; ἐγὼ δὲ ἀποπνιγήσομαι ἡ ἀθλία καταδῦσα.

Ποσειδῶν

θάρρει, οὐδὲν δεινὸν μὴ πάθῃς· ἀλλὰ καὶ 305 πηγὴν ἐπώνυμόν σοι ἀναδοθῆναι ἐάσω ἐνταῦθα πατάξας τῇ τριαίνῃ τὴν πέτραν πλησίον τοῦ κλύσματος, καὶ σὺ εὐδαίμων ἔσῃ καὶ μόνη τῶν ἀδελφῶν οὐχ ὑδροφορήσεις ἀποθανοῦσα.

Θεῶν διάλογοι Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 7. Macleod, Matthew Donald, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961 (unrenewed copyright).) — 6 focus

310 ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΗΡΕΙΔΩΝ

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Τὸ μὲν στενὸν τοῦτο, ἔνθα ἡ παῖς κατηνέχθη, Ἑλλήσποντος ἀπ' αὐτῆς καλείσθω· 311 τὸν δὲ νεκρὸν ὑμεῖς, ὦ Νηρεΐδες, παραλαβοῦσαι τῇ Τρῳάδι προσενέγκατε, ὡς ταφείη ὑπὸ τῶν ἐπιχωρίων.

ΑΜΦΙΤΡΙΤΗ

Μηδαμῶς, ὦ Πόσειδον, ἀλλ’ ἐνταῦθα ἐν τῷ ἐπωνύμῳ πελάγει τεθάφθω· ἐλεοῦμεν γὰρ αὐτὴν οἴκτιστα ὑπὸ τῆς μητρυιᾶς πεπονθυῖαν.

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Τοῦτο μέν, ὦ Ἀμφιτρίτη, οὐ θέμις· οὐδὲ ἄλλως καλὸν ἐνταῦθά που κεῖσθαι ὑπὸ τῇ ψάμμῳ αὐτήν, 312 ἀλλ’ ὅπερ ἔφην ἐν τῇ Τρῳάδι ἢ ἐν Χερρονήσῳ τεθάψεται. ἐκεῖνο δὲ παραμύθιον οὐ μικρὸν ἔσται αὐτῇ, ὅτι μετ' ὀλίγον τὰ αὐτὰ καὶ ἡ Ἰνὼ πείσεται καὶ ἐμπεσεῖται ὑπὸ τοῦ Ἀθάμαντος διωκομένη ἐς τὸ πέλαγος ἀπ' ἄκρου τοῦ Κιθαιρῶνος, καθ' ὅπερ καθήκει ἐς τὴν θάλασσαν, ἔχουσα καὶ τὸν υἱὸν ἐπὶ τῆς ἀγκάλης. ἀλλὰ κἀκείνην σῶσαι δεήσει χαρισαμένους τῷ Διονύσῳ· τροφὸς γὰρ αὐτοῦ καὶ τίτθη ἡ Ἰνώ.

ΑΜΦΙΤΡΙΤΗ

Οὐκ ἐχρῆν οὕτω πονηρὰν οὖσαν.

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Ἀλλὰ τῷ Διονύσῳ ἀχαριστεῖν, ¹ ὦ Ἀμφιτρίτη, οὐκ ἄξιον.

313

ΝΗΡΕΙΔΕΣ

Αὕτη δὲ ἄρα τί παθοῦσα κατέπεσεν ἀπὸ τοῦ κριοῦ, ὁ ἀδελφὸς δὲ ὁ Φρίξος ἀσφαλῶς ὀχεῖται;

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Εἰκότως· νεανίας γὰρ καὶ δύναται ἀντέχειν πρὸς τὴν φοράν, ἡ δὲ ὑπ' ἀηθείας ἐπιβᾶσα ὀχήματος παραδόξου καὶ ἀπιδοῦσα ἐς βάθος ἀχανές, ἐκπλαγεῖσα καὶ τῷ θάλπει ² ἅμα συσχεθεῖσα καὶ ἰλιγγιάσασα πρὸς τὸ σφοδρὸν τῆς πτήσεως ἀκρατὴς ἐγένετο τῶν κεράτων τοῦ κριοῦ, ὧν τέως ἐπείληπτο, καὶ κατέπεσεν ἐς τὸ πέλαγος.

314

ΝΗΡΕΙΔΕΣ

Οὔκουν ἐχρῆν τὴν μητέρα τὴν Νεφέλην βοηθῆσαι πιπτούσῃ;

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Ἐχρῆν· ἀλλ’ ἡ Μοῖρα τῆς Νεφέλης πολλῷ δυνατωτέρα.

Translations (1)

Dialogues of the Gods Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 7. Macleod, Matthew Donald, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961 (unrenewed copyright).) — 6 focus

Poseidon And The Nereids

POSEIDON

Let this strait, where the girl ¹ fell from the skies, be called Hellespont after her. You, Nereids, take the body to the Troad, so that it can be buried by people there.

AMPHITRITE

Please not that, Poseidon, but let her be buried here in the sea named after her. We feel very sorry for the pitiable way she was treated by her step-mother. ²

POSEIDON

That would be wrong, Amphitrite, and it’s not quite the thing either to leave her lying here under the sand; no, she’ll be buried, as I said, in the Troad or the Chersonese. She’ll find it no small consolation that, before long, the same thing will happen to Ino; she’ll be pursued by Athamas, and plunge into the sea with her child ³ in her arms from the heights of Cithaeron where a ridge runs down into the sea. But we must save Ino to please Dionysus; for she was his nurse and his nanny.

AMPHITRITE

You shouldn’t save a bad woman like that!

POSEIDON

But, Amphitrite, we mustn’t offend Dionysus.

NEREIDS

But what came over her that she fell from the ram, while Phrixus, her brother, is having a safe ride?

POSEIDON

That’s natural; he’s a young man and can withstand the speed; but she has no experience, and when she got on that strange mount, and looked down into the gaping depths beneath her, she was terrified, and, overcome at the same time by the heat, and growing dizzy at the speed of the flight, lost hold of the ram’s horns, to which she’d been clinging, and fell into the sea.

NEREIDS

But shouldn’t Nephele, her mother, have helped her when she was falling?

POSEIDON

Yes, indeed, but Fate is far stronger than Nephele.

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VI

Triton

Posidon

Amymone

Triton Posidon, there is such a pretty girl coming to Lerna for water every day; I don’t know that I ever saw a prettier.

Posidon What is she, a lady? or a mere water-carrier?

Triton Oh no; she is one of the fifty daughters of that Egyptian king. Her name is Amymone; I asked about that and her family. Danaus understands discipline; he is bringing them up to do everything for themselves; they have to fetch water, and make themselves generally useful.

Posidon And does she come all that way by herself, from Argos to Lerna?

Triton Yes; and Argos, you know, is a thirsty place; she is always having to get water.

Posidon Triton, this is most exciting. We must go and see her.

Triton Very well. It is just her time now; I reckon she will be about half-way to Lerna.

Posidon Bring out the chariot, then. Or no; it takes such a time getting it ready, and putting the horses to. Just fetch me out a good fast dolphin; that will be quickest.

Triton Here is a racer for you.

Posidon Good; now let us be off. You swim alongside.—Here we are at Lerna. I'll lie in ambush hereabouts; and you keep a look-out. When you see her coming—

Triton Here she comes.

Posidon A charming child; the dawn of loveliness. We must carry her off.

Amymone Villain! where are you taking me to? You area kidnapper. I know who sent you—my uncle Aegyptus. I shall call my father.

Triton Hush, Amymone; it is Posidon.

Amymone Posidon? What do you mean? Unhand me, villain! would you drag me into the sea? Help, help, I shall sink and be drowned.

Current edition Perseus

Τρίτωνος, Ἀμυμώνης καὶ Ποσειδῶνος

Τρίτων ἐπὶ τὴν Λέρναν, ὦ Πόσειδον, παραγίνεται καθʼ ἑκάστην ἡμέραν ὑδρευσομένη παρθένος, πάγκαλόν τι χρῆμα· οὐκ οἶδα ἔγωγε καλλίω παῖδα ἰδών.

Ποσειδῶν ἐλευθέραν τινά, ὦ Τρίτων, λέγεις, ἢ θεράπαινά τις ὑδροφόρος ἐστίν;

Ποσειδῶν μόνη δὲ παραγίνεται μακρὰν οὕτω τὴν ὁδὸν ἐξ Ἄργους ἐς Λέρναν;

Τρίτων μόνη· πολυδίψιον δὲ τὸ Ἄργος, ὡς οἶσθα· ὥστε ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ ὑδροφορεῖν.

Ποσειδῶν ὦ Τρίτων, οὐ μετρίως διετάραξάς με εἰπὼν τὰ περὶ τῆς παιδός· ὥστε ἴωμεν ἐπʼ αὐτήν.

Τρίτων ἴωμεν· ἤδη γοῦν καιρὸς τῆς ὑδροφορίας· καὶ σχεδόν που κατὰ μέσην τὴν ὁδόν ἐστιν ἰοῦσα ἐς τὴν Λέρναν.

Τρίτων ἰδού σοι οὑτοσὶ δελφίνων ὁ ὠκύτατος.

Τρίτων αὕτη σοι πλησίον.

Ποσειδῶν καλή, ὦ Τρίτων, καὶ ὡραία παρθένος· ἀλλὰ συλληπτέα ἡμῖν ἐστιν.

Ἀμυμώνη ἄνθρωπε, ποῖ με ξυναρπάσας ἄγεις; ἀνδραποδιστὴς εἶ, καὶ ἔοικας ἡμῖν ὑπʼ Αἰγύπτου τοῦ θείου ἐπιπεμφθῆναι· ὥστε βοήσομαι τὸν πατέρα.

Τρίτων σιώπησον, ὦ Ἀμυμώνη· Ποσειδῶν ἐστι.

Ἀμυμώνη τί Ποσειδῶν λέγεις; τί βιάζῃ με, ὦ ἄνθρωπε, καὶ ἐς τὴν θάλατταν καθέλκεις; ἐγὼ δὲ ἀποπνιγήσομαι ἡ ἀθλία καταδῦσα.

310 ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΗΡΕΙΔΩΝ

ΑΜΦΙΤΡΙΤΗ Μηδαμῶς, ὦ Πόσειδον, ἀλλ’ ἐνταῦθα ἐν τῷ ἐπωνύμῳ πελάγει τεθάφθω· ἐλεοῦμεν γὰρ αὐτὴν οἴκτιστα ὑπὸ τῆς μητρυιᾶς πεπονθυῖαν.

ΑΜΦΙΤΡΙΤΗ Οὐκ ἐχρῆν οὕτω πονηρὰν οὖσαν.

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ Ἀλλὰ τῷ Διονύσῳ ἀχαριστεῖν, 1 ὦ Ἀμφιτρίτη, οὐκ ἄξιον.

ΝΗΡΕΙΔΕΣ Αὕτη δὲ ἄρα τί παθοῦσα κατέπεσεν ἀπὸ τοῦ κριοῦ, ὁ ἀδελφὸς δὲ ὁ Φρίξος ἀσφαλῶς ὀχεῖται;

ΝΗΡΕΙΔΕΣ Οὔκουν ἐχρῆν τὴν μητέρα τὴν Νεφέλην βοηθῆσαι πιπτούσῃ;

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ Ἐχρῆν· ἀλλ’ ἡ Μοῖρα τῆς Νεφέλης πολλῷ δυνατωτέρα.

Poseidon And The Nereids

POSEIDON Let this strait, where the girl 1 fell from the skies, be called Hellespont after her. You, Nereids, take the body to the Troad, so that it can be buried by people there.

AMPHITRITE Please not that, Poseidon, but let her be buried here in the sea named after her. We feel very sorry for the pitiable way she was treated by her step-mother. 2

AMPHITRITE You shouldn’t save a bad woman like that!

POSEIDON But, Amphitrite, we mustn’t offend Dionysus.

NEREIDS But what came over her that she fell from the ram, while Phrixus, her brother, is having a safe ride?

NEREIDS But shouldn’t Nephele, her mother, have helped her when she was falling?

POSEIDON Yes, indeed, but Fate is far stronger than Nephele.

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Triton

Posidon, there is such a pretty girl coming to Lerna for water every day; I don’t know that I ever saw a prettier.

Posidon

What is she, a lady? or a mere water-carrier?

Triton

Oh no; she is one of the fifty daughters of that Egyptian king. Her name is Amymone; I asked about that and her family. Danaus understands discipline; he is bringing them up to do everything for themselves; they have to fetch water, and make themselves generally useful.

Posidon

And does she come all that way by herself, from Argos to Lerna?

Triton

Yes; and Argos, you know, is a thirsty place; she is always having to get water.

Posidon

Triton, this is most exciting. We must go and see her.

Triton

Very well. It is just her time now; I reckon she will be about half-way to Lerna.

Posidon

Bring out the chariot, then. Or no; it takes such a time getting it ready, and putting the horses to. Just fetch me out a good fast dolphin; that will be quickest.

Triton

Here is a racer for you.

Posidon

Good; now let us be off. You swim alongside.—Here we are at Lerna. I'll lie in ambush hereabouts; and you keep a look-out. When you see her coming—

Triton

Here she comes.

Posidon

A charming child; the dawn of loveliness. We must carry her off.

Amymone

Villain! where are you taking me to? You area kidnapper. I know who sent you—my uncle Aegyptus. I shall call my father.

Triton

Hush, Amymone; it is Posidon.

Amymone

Posidon? What do you mean? Unhand me, villain! would you drag me into the sea? Help, help, I shall sink and be drowned.

Τρίτων

ἐπὶ τὴν Λέρναν, ὦ Πόσειδον, παραγίνεται καθʼ ἑκάστην ἡμέραν ὑδρευσομένη παρθένος, πάγκαλόν τι χρῆμα· οὐκ οἶδα ἔγωγε καλλίω παῖδα ἰδών.

Ποσειδῶν

ἐλευθέραν τινά, ὦ Τρίτων, λέγεις, ἢ θεράπαινά τις ὑδροφόρος ἐστίν;

Ποσειδῶν

μόνη δὲ παραγίνεται μακρὰν οὕτω τὴν ὁδὸν ἐξ Ἄργους ἐς Λέρναν;

Τρίτων

μόνη· πολυδίψιον δὲ τὸ Ἄργος, ὡς οἶσθα· ὥστε ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ ὑδροφορεῖν.

Ποσειδῶν

ὦ Τρίτων, οὐ μετρίως διετάραξάς με εἰπὼν τὰ περὶ τῆς παιδός· ὥστε ἴωμεν ἐπʼ αὐτήν.

Τρίτων

ἴωμεν· ἤδη γοῦν καιρὸς τῆς ὑδροφορίας· καὶ σχεδόν που κατὰ μέσην τὴν ὁδόν ἐστιν ἰοῦσα ἐς τὴν Λέρναν.

Τρίτων

ἰδού σοι οὑτοσὶ δελφίνων ὁ ὠκύτατος.

Τρίτων

αὕτη σοι πλησίον.

Ποσειδῶν

καλή, ὦ Τρίτων, καὶ ὡραία παρθένος· ἀλλὰ συλληπτέα ἡμῖν ἐστιν.

Ἀμυμώνη

ἄνθρωπε, ποῖ με ξυναρπάσας ἄγεις; ἀνδραποδιστὴς εἶ, καὶ ἔοικας ἡμῖν ὑπʼ Αἰγύπτου τοῦ θείου ἐπιπεμφθῆναι· ὥστε βοήσομαι τὸν πατέρα.

Τρίτων

σιώπησον, ὦ Ἀμυμώνη· Ποσειδῶν ἐστι.

Ἀμυμώνη

τί Ποσειδῶν λέγεις; τί βιάζῃ με, ὦ ἄνθρωπε, καὶ ἐς τὴν θάλατταν καθέλκεις; ἐγὼ δὲ ἀποπνιγήσομαι ἡ ἀθλία καταδῦσα.

ΑΜΦΙΤΡΙΤΗ

Μηδαμῶς, ὦ Πόσειδον, ἀλλ’ ἐνταῦθα ἐν τῷ ἐπωνύμῳ πελάγει τεθάφθω· ἐλεοῦμεν γὰρ αὐτὴν οἴκτιστα ὑπὸ τῆς μητρυιᾶς πεπονθυῖαν.

ΑΜΦΙΤΡΙΤΗ

Οὐκ ἐχρῆν οὕτω πονηρὰν οὖσαν.

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Ἀλλὰ τῷ Διονύσῳ ἀχαριστεῖν, ¹ ὦ Ἀμφιτρίτη, οὐκ ἄξιον.

ΝΗΡΕΙΔΕΣ

Αὕτη δὲ ἄρα τί παθοῦσα κατέπεσεν ἀπὸ τοῦ κριοῦ, ὁ ἀδελφὸς δὲ ὁ Φρίξος ἀσφαλῶς ὀχεῖται;

ΝΗΡΕΙΔΕΣ

Οὔκουν ἐχρῆν τὴν μητέρα τὴν Νεφέλην βοηθῆσαι πιπτούσῃ;

ΠΟΣΕΙΔΩΝ

Ἐχρῆν· ἀλλ’ ἡ Μοῖρα τῆς Νεφέλης πολλῷ δυνατωτέρα.

POSEIDON

Let this strait, where the girl ¹ fell from the skies, be called Hellespont after her. You, Nereids, take the body to the Troad, so that it can be buried by people there.

AMPHITRITE

Please not that, Poseidon, but let her be buried here in the sea named after her. We feel very sorry for the pitiable way she was treated by her step-mother. ²

AMPHITRITE

You shouldn’t save a bad woman like that!

POSEIDON

But, Amphitrite, we mustn’t offend Dionysus.

NEREIDS

But what came over her that she fell from the ram, while Phrixus, her brother, is having a safe ride?

NEREIDS

But shouldn’t Nephele, her mother, have helped her when she was falling?

POSEIDON

Yes, indeed, but Fate is far stronger than Nephele.