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XXI

Menippus

Cerberus

Menippus

My dear coz—for Cerberus and Cynic are surely related through the dog—I adjure you by the Styx, tell me how Socrates behaved during the descent. A God like you can doubtless articulate instead of barking, if he chooses.

Cerberus

Well, while he was some way off, he seemed quite unshaken; and I thought he was bent on letting the people outside realize the fact too. Then he passed into the opening and saw the gloom; I at the same time gave him a touch of the hemlock, and a pull by the leg, as he was rather slow. Then he squalled like a baby, whimpered about his children, and, oh, I don’t know what he didn’t do.

Menippus

So he was one of the theorists, was he? his indifference was a sham?

Cerberus

Yes; it was only that he accepted the inevitable, and put a bold face on it, pretending to welcome the universal fate, by way of impressing the bystanders. All that sort are the same, I tell you—bold resolute fellows as far as the entrance; it is inside that the real test comes.

Menippus

What did you think of my performance?

Cerberus

Ah, Menippus, you were the exception; you are a credit to the breed, and so was Diogenes before you. You two came in without any compulsion or pushing, of your own free will, with a laugh for yourselves and a curse for the rest.

Henry Watson Fowler

Dialogi mortuorum. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

Current edition Perseus

Dialogues of the Dead (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 1. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

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Νεκρικοὶ Διάλογοι Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 21 focus

Μένιππος καὶ Κέρβερος.

Μένιππος

ὦ Κέρβερε — συγγενὴς γάρ εἰμί σοι κύων καὶ αὐτὸς ὤν — εἰπέ μοι πρὸς τῆς Στυγός, οἷος ἦν ὁ Σωκράτης, ὁπότε κατῄει παρʼ ὑμᾶς· εἰκὸς δέ σε θεὸν ὄντα μὴ ὑλακτεῖν μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀνθρωπίνως φθέγγεσθαι, ὁπότʼ ἐθέλοις.

Κέρβερος

πόρρωθεν μέν, ὦ Μένιππε, παντάπασιν 421 ἐδόκει ἀτρέπτῳ τῷ προσώπῳ προσιέναι καὶ οὐ πάνυ δεδιέναι τὸν θάνατον δοκῶν καὶ τοῦτο ἐμφῆναι τοῖς ἔξω τοῦ στομίου ἑστῶσιν ἐθέλων, ἐπεὶ δὲ κατέκυψεν εἴσω τοῦ χάσματος καὶ εἶδε τὸν ζόφον, κἀγὼ ἔτι διαμέλλοντα αὐτὸν δακὼν τῷ κωνείῳ κατέσπασα τοῦ ποδός, ὥσπερ τὰ βρέφη ἐκώκυε καὶ τὰ ἑαυτοῦ παιδία ὠδύρετο καὶ παντοῖος ἐγίνετο.

Μένιππος

οὐκοῦν σοφιστὴς ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἦν καὶ οὐκ ἀληθῶς κατεφρόνει τοῦ πράγματος;

Κέρβερος

οὔκ, ἀλλʼ ἐπείπερ ἀναγκαῖον αὐτὸ ἑώρα, κατεθρασύνετο ὡς δῆθεν οὐκ ἄκων πεισόμενος ὃ πάντως ἔδει παθεῖν, ὡς θαυμάσωνται οἱ θεαταί. καὶ ὅλως περὶ πάντων γε τῶν τοιούτων εἰπεῖν ἂν ἔχοιμι, ἕως τοῦ στομίου τολμηροὶ καὶ ἀνδρεῖοι, τὰ δὲ ἔνδοθεν ἔλεγχος ἀκριβής.

Μένιππος

ἐγὼ δὲ πῶς σοι κατεληλυθέναι ἔδοξα;

Κέρβερος

μόνος, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀξίως τοῦ γένους, καὶ 422 Διογένης πρὸ σοῦ, ὅτι μὴ ἀναγκαζόμενοι ἐσῄειτε μηδʼ ὠθούμενοι, ἀλλʼ ἐθελούσιοι, γελῶντες, οἰμώζειν παραγγείλαντες ἅπασιν.

Νεκρικοὶ διάλογοι Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 7. Macleod, Matthew Donald, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961 (unrenewed copyright).) — 21 focus

ΚΡΑΤΗΤΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΟΓΕΝΟΥΣ

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Μοίριχον τὸν πλούσιον ἐγίνωσκες, ὦ Διόγενες, τὸν πάνυ πλούσιον, τὸν ἐκ Κορίνθου, τὸν τὰς πολλὰς ὁλκάδας ἔχοντα, οὗ ἀνεψιὸς Ἀριστέας, πλούσιος καὶ αὐτὸς ὤν, τὸ Ὁμηρικὸν ἐκεῖνο εἰώθει ἐπιλέγειν, ῾ἤ μ' ἀνάειρ' ἢ ἐγὼ σέ'.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τίνος ἕνεκα, ὦ Κράτης;

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Ἐθεράπευον ἀλλήλους τοῦ ¹ κλήρου ἕνεκα ἑκάτερος ἡλικιῶται ὄντες, καὶ τὰς διαθήκας εἰς τὸ φανερὸν ἐτίθεντο, Ἀριστέαν μὲν ὁ Μοίριχος, εἰ προαποθάνοι, δεσπότην ἀφιεὶς τῶν ἑαυτοῦ πάντων, Μοίριχον δὲ ὁ Ἀριστέας, εἰ προαπέλθοι αὐτοῦ. ταῦτα μὲν ἐγέγραπτο, οἱ δὲ ἐθεράπευον ὑπερβαλλόμενοι ἀλλήλους τῇ κολακείᾳ. καὶ οἱ μάντεις, εἴτε ἀπὸ τῶν ἄστρων τεκμαιρόμενοι τὸ μέλλον εἴτε ἀπὸ τῶν ὀνειράτων, ὥς γε Χαλδαίων παῖδες, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὁ Πύθιος αὐτὸς ἄρτι μὲν Ἀριστέᾳ παρεῖχε τὸ κράτος, ἄρτι δὲ Μοιρίχῳ, καὶ τὰ τάλαντα ποτὲ μὲν ἐπὶ τοῦτον, νῦν δ’ ἐπ' ἐκεῖνον ἔρρεπε.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τί οὖν πέρας ἐγένετο, ὦ Κράτης; ἀκοῦσαι γὰρ ἄξιον.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Ἄμφω τεθνᾶσιν ἐπὶ μιᾶς ἡμέρας, οἱ δὲ κλῆροι 378 εἰς Εὐνόμιον καὶ Θρασυκλέα περιῆλθον ἄμφω συγγενεῖς ὄντας οὐδὲ πώποτε προμαντευομένους οὕτω γενέσθαι ταῦτα· διαπλέοντες γὰρ ἀπὸ Σικυῶνος εἰς Κίρραν κατὰ μέσον τὸν πόρον πλαγίῳ περιπεσόντες τῷ Ἰάπυγι ἀνετράπησαν.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Εὖ ἐποίησαν. ἡμεῖς δὲ ὁπότε ἐν τῷ βίῳ ἦμεν, οὐδὲν τοιοῦτον ἐνενοοῦμεν περὶ ἀλλήλων· οὔτε πώποτε ηὐξάμην Ἀντισθένην ἀποθανεῖν, ὡς κληρονομήσαιμι τῆς βακτηρίας αὐτοῦ—εἶχεν δὲ πάνυ καρτερὰν ἐκ κοτίνου ποιησάμενος—οὔτε οἶμαι σὺ ὁ Κράτης ἐπεθύμεις ² κληρονομεῖν ἀποθανόντος ἐμοῦ τὰ κτήματα καὶ τὸν πίθον καὶ τὴν πήραν χοίνικας δύο θέρμων ἔχουσαν.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Οὐδὲν γάρ μοι τούτων ἔδει, ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ σοί, ὦ Διόγενες· ἃ γὰρ ἐχρῆν, σύ τε Ἀντισθένους ἐκληρονόμησας καὶ ἐγὼ σοῦ, πολλῷ μείζω καὶ σεμνότερα τῆς Περσῶν ἀρχῆς.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τίνα ταῦτα φῄς;

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Σοφίαν, αὐτάρκειαν, ἀλήθειαν, παρρησίαν, ἐλευθερίαν.

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ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Νὴ Δία, μέμνημαι τοῦτον διαδεξάμενος τὸν πλοῦτον παρὰ Ἀντισθένους καὶ σοὶ ἔτι πλείω καταλιπών.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Ἀλλ' οἱ ἄλλοι ἠμέλουν τῶν τοιούτων κτημάτων καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐθεράπευεν ἡμᾶς κληρονομήσειν προσδοκῶν, εἰς δὲ τὸ χρυσίον πάντες ἔβλεπον.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Εἰκότως· οὐ γὰρ εἶχον ἔνθα δέξαιντο τὰ τοιαῦτα παρ' ἡμῶν διερρυηκότες ὑπὸ τρυφῆς, καθάπερ τὰ σαπρὰ τῶν βαλλαντίων· ³ ὥστε εἴ ποτε καὶ ἐμβάλοι τις ἐς αὐτοὺς ἢ σοφίαν ἢ παρρησίαν ἢ ἀλήθειαν, ἐξέπιπτεν εὐθὺς καὶ διέρρει, τοῦ πυθμένος στέγειν οὐ δυναμένου, οἷόν τι πάσχουσιν αἱ τοῦ Δαναοῦ αὗται παρθένοι εἰς τὸν τετρυπημένον πίθον ἐπαντλοῦσαι· τὸ δὲ χρυσίον ὀδοῦσι καὶ ὄνυξι καὶ πάσῃ μηχανῇ ἐφύλαττον.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Οὐκοῦν ἡμεῖς μὲν ἕξομεν κἀνταῦθα τὸν πλοῦτον, οἱ δὲ ὀβολὸν ἥξουσι κομίζοντες καὶ τοῦτον ἄχρι τοῦ πορθμέως.

Translations (1)

Dialogues of the Dead Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 7. Macleod, Matthew Donald, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961 (unrenewed copyright).) — 21 focus

Crates And Diogenes

CRATES

Diogenes, did you know Moerichus, the rich man, the millionaire from Corinth, who owned a fleet of merchant ships, and had a cousin called Aristeas, another rich man, who used to quote Homer and say, “You try to throw me, or let me try to throw you”? ¹

DIOGENES

Why, Crates?

CRATES

They were of an age and showering attentions each on the other for his property. They made no secret of their wills; Moerichus was leaving Aristeas master of all he had, if he died first, and Aristeas was doing the same for Moerichus. This was all down in black and white, and they tried to outdo each other with obsequious attentions, and not only the prophets, divining the future from stars or from dreams in the best Chaldaean tradition, but even the Delphic god himself would assign the victory first to Aristeas, and then to Moerichus, and the scales would dip in favour now of one, now of the other.

DIOGENES

Well, what happened in the end? The story’s worth hearing.

CRATES

Both have died on one day, and the properties have passed on to Eunomius and Thrasycles, two relations who have never imagined things turning out thus. Their ship was halfway across from Sicyon to Cirrha, when a squall from the north-west caught her on the beam and capsized her.

DIOGENES

And a good thing too! We never had such thoughts about each other, when we were alive. I never prayed for the death of Antisthenes, so that I could inherit his staff—though he had a very strong one that he had made for himself from the wild olive—nor did you, Crates, I imagine, wish that I should die and leave you my property, the tub and the bag with its two measures of lupines.

CRATES

No, I didn’t need any of these things; but neither did you, Diogenes. All that was needful you inherited from Antisthenes and I from you—things far more important and august than the Persian empire.

DIOGENES

What things do you mean?

CRATES

Wisdom, independence, truth, plain speaking, freedom.

DIOGENES

Good heavens, yes. I remember taking over these riches from Antisthenes, and leaving you them in still greater measure.

CRATES

But no one else cared for wealth of this sort, or paid us attentions in the hope of inheriting it from us; it was gold on which they all had their eyes.

DIOGENES

Only to be expected; they had nowhere to put such a legacy from us. They were falling apart from rich living, and were like rotten purses; and so no sooner did one put wisdom or plain speech or truth into them, than it would fall out through a hole, for the bottom couldn’t hold it. It was just like what happens to those daughters of Danaus here, as they pour water into that jar full of holes. But their gold they would keep safe with teeth or nails or any means in their power.

CRATES

In consequence we shall retain our wealth even down here, but they will bring with them no more than an obol, and even that won’t go beyond the ferryman.

Lucian Dialogi mortuorum 21

Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator)

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XXI

Menippus

Cerberus

Menippus

My dear coz—for Cerberus and Cynic are surely related through the dog—I adjure you by the Styx, tell me how Socrates behaved during the descent. A God like you can doubtless articulate instead of barking, if he chooses.

Menippus

So he was one of the theorists, was he? his indifference was a sham?

Cerberus

Yes; it was only that he accepted the inevitable, and put a bold face on it, pretending to welcome the universal fate, by way of impressing the bystanders. All that sort are the same, I tell you—bold resolute fellows as far as the entrance; it is inside that the real test comes.

Menippus

What did you think of my performance?

Cerberus

Ah, Menippus, you were the exception; you are a credit to the breed, and so was Diogenes before you. You two came in without any compulsion or pushing, of your own free will, with a laugh for yourselves and a curse for the rest.

Current edition Perseus

Μένιππος καὶ Κέρβερος.

Μένιππος

οὐκοῦν σοφιστὴς ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἦν καὶ οὐκ ἀληθῶς κατεφρόνει τοῦ πράγματος;

Μένιππος

ἐγὼ δὲ πῶς σοι κατεληλυθέναι ἔδοξα;

ΚΡΑΤΗΤΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΟΓΕΝΟΥΣ

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τίνος ἕνεκα, ὦ Κράτης;

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τί οὖν πέρας ἐγένετο, ὦ Κράτης; ἀκοῦσαι γὰρ ἄξιον.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τίνα ταῦτα φῄς;

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Σοφίαν, αὐτάρκειαν, ἀλήθειαν, παρρησίαν, ἐλευθερίαν.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Νὴ Δία, μέμνημαι τοῦτον διαδεξάμενος τὸν πλοῦτον παρὰ Ἀντισθένους καὶ σοὶ ἔτι πλείω καταλιπών.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Ἀλλ' οἱ ἄλλοι ἠμέλουν τῶν τοιούτων κτημάτων καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐθεράπευεν ἡμᾶς κληρονομήσειν προσδοκῶν, εἰς δὲ τὸ χρυσίον πάντες ἔβλεπον.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Οὐκοῦν ἡμεῖς μὲν ἕξομεν κἀνταῦθα τὸν πλοῦτον, οἱ δὲ ὀβολὸν ἥξουσι κομίζοντες καὶ τοῦτον ἄχρι τοῦ πορθμέως.

Crates And Diogenes

CRATES

Diogenes, did you know Moerichus, the rich man, the millionaire from Corinth, who owned a fleet of merchant ships, and had a cousin called Aristeas, another rich man, who used to quote Homer and say, “You try to throw me, or let me try to throw you”? ¹

DIOGENES

Why, Crates?

DIOGENES

Well, what happened in the end? The story’s worth hearing.

CRATES

Both have died on one day, and the properties have passed on to Eunomius and Thrasycles, two relations who have never imagined things turning out thus. Their ship was halfway across from Sicyon to Cirrha, when a squall from the north-west caught her on the beam and capsized her.

CRATES

No, I didn’t need any of these things; but neither did you, Diogenes. All that was needful you inherited from Antisthenes and I from you—things far more important and august than the Persian empire.

DIOGENES

What things do you mean?

CRATES

Wisdom, independence, truth, plain speaking, freedom.

DIOGENES

Good heavens, yes. I remember taking over these riches from Antisthenes, and leaving you them in still greater measure.

CRATES

But no one else cared for wealth of this sort, or paid us attentions in the hope of inheriting it from us; it was gold on which they all had their eyes.

CRATES

In consequence we shall retain our wealth even down here, but they will bring with them no more than an obol, and even that won’t go beyond the ferryman.

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XXI

Menippus

Cerberus

Menippus My dear coz—for Cerberus and Cynic are surely related through the dog—I adjure you by the Styx, tell me how Socrates behaved during the descent. A God like you can doubtless articulate instead of barking, if he chooses.

Menippus So he was one of the theorists, was he? his indifference was a sham?

Cerberus Yes; it was only that he accepted the inevitable, and put a bold face on it, pretending to welcome the universal fate, by way of impressing the bystanders. All that sort are the same, I tell you—bold resolute fellows as far as the entrance; it is inside that the real test comes.

Menippus What did you think of my performance?

Cerberus Ah, Menippus, you were the exception; you are a credit to the breed, and so was Diogenes before you. You two came in without any compulsion or pushing, of your own free will, with a laugh for yourselves and a curse for the rest.

Current edition Perseus

Μένιππος καὶ Κέρβερος.

Μένιππος οὐκοῦν σοφιστὴς ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἦν καὶ οὐκ ἀληθῶς κατεφρόνει τοῦ πράγματος;

Μένιππος ἐγὼ δὲ πῶς σοι κατεληλυθέναι ἔδοξα;

ΚΡΑΤΗΤΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΟΓΕΝΟΥΣ

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ Τίνος ἕνεκα, ὦ Κράτης;

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ Τί οὖν πέρας ἐγένετο, ὦ Κράτης; ἀκοῦσαι γὰρ ἄξιον.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ Τίνα ταῦτα φῄς;

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ Σοφίαν, αὐτάρκειαν, ἀλήθειαν, παρρησίαν, ἐλευθερίαν.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ Νὴ Δία, μέμνημαι τοῦτον διαδεξάμενος τὸν πλοῦτον παρὰ Ἀντισθένους καὶ σοὶ ἔτι πλείω καταλιπών.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ Ἀλλ' οἱ ἄλλοι ἠμέλουν τῶν τοιούτων κτημάτων καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐθεράπευεν ἡμᾶς κληρονομήσειν προσδοκῶν, εἰς δὲ τὸ χρυσίον πάντες ἔβλεπον.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ Οὐκοῦν ἡμεῖς μὲν ἕξομεν κἀνταῦθα τὸν πλοῦτον, οἱ δὲ ὀβολὸν ἥξουσι κομίζοντες καὶ τοῦτον ἄχρι τοῦ πορθμέως.

Crates And Diogenes

CRATES Diogenes, did you know Moerichus, the rich man, the millionaire from Corinth, who owned a fleet of merchant ships, and had a cousin called Aristeas, another rich man, who used to quote Homer and say, “You try to throw me, or let me try to throw you”? 1

DIOGENES Why, Crates?

DIOGENES Well, what happened in the end? The story’s worth hearing.

CRATES Both have died on one day, and the properties have passed on to Eunomius and Thrasycles, two relations who have never imagined things turning out thus. Their ship was halfway across from Sicyon to Cirrha, when a squall from the north-west caught her on the beam and capsized her.

CRATES No, I didn’t need any of these things; but neither did you, Diogenes. All that was needful you inherited from Antisthenes and I from you—things far more important and august than the Persian empire.

DIOGENES What things do you mean?

CRATES Wisdom, independence, truth, plain speaking, freedom.

DIOGENES Good heavens, yes. I remember taking over these riches from Antisthenes, and leaving you them in still greater measure.

CRATES But no one else cared for wealth of this sort, or paid us attentions in the hope of inheriting it from us; it was gold on which they all had their eyes.

CRATES In consequence we shall retain our wealth even down here, but they will bring with them no more than an obol, and even that won’t go beyond the ferryman.

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Menippus

My dear coz—for Cerberus and Cynic are surely related through the dog—I adjure you by the Styx, tell me how Socrates behaved during the descent. A God like you can doubtless articulate instead of barking, if he chooses.

Menippus

So he was one of the theorists, was he? his indifference was a sham?

Cerberus

Yes; it was only that he accepted the inevitable, and put a bold face on it, pretending to welcome the universal fate, by way of impressing the bystanders. All that sort are the same, I tell you—bold resolute fellows as far as the entrance; it is inside that the real test comes.

Menippus

What did you think of my performance?

Cerberus

Ah, Menippus, you were the exception; you are a credit to the breed, and so was Diogenes before you. You two came in without any compulsion or pushing, of your own free will, with a laugh for yourselves and a curse for the rest.

Μένιππος

οὐκοῦν σοφιστὴς ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἦν καὶ οὐκ ἀληθῶς κατεφρόνει τοῦ πράγματος;

Μένιππος

ἐγὼ δὲ πῶς σοι κατεληλυθέναι ἔδοξα;

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τίνος ἕνεκα, ὦ Κράτης;

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τί οὖν πέρας ἐγένετο, ὦ Κράτης; ἀκοῦσαι γὰρ ἄξιον.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Τίνα ταῦτα φῄς;

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Σοφίαν, αὐτάρκειαν, ἀλήθειαν, παρρησίαν, ἐλευθερίαν.

ΔΙΟΓΕΝΗΣ

Νὴ Δία, μέμνημαι τοῦτον διαδεξάμενος τὸν πλοῦτον παρὰ Ἀντισθένους καὶ σοὶ ἔτι πλείω καταλιπών.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Ἀλλ' οἱ ἄλλοι ἠμέλουν τῶν τοιούτων κτημάτων καὶ οὐδεὶς ἐθεράπευεν ἡμᾶς κληρονομήσειν προσδοκῶν, εἰς δὲ τὸ χρυσίον πάντες ἔβλεπον.

ΚΡΑΤΗΣ

Οὐκοῦν ἡμεῖς μὲν ἕξομεν κἀνταῦθα τὸν πλοῦτον, οἱ δὲ ὀβολὸν ἥξουσι κομίζοντες καὶ τοῦτον ἄχρι τοῦ πορθμέως.

CRATES

Diogenes, did you know Moerichus, the rich man, the millionaire from Corinth, who owned a fleet of merchant ships, and had a cousin called Aristeas, another rich man, who used to quote Homer and say, “You try to throw me, or let me try to throw you”? ¹

DIOGENES

Why, Crates?

DIOGENES

Well, what happened in the end? The story’s worth hearing.

CRATES

Both have died on one day, and the properties have passed on to Eunomius and Thrasycles, two relations who have never imagined things turning out thus. Their ship was halfway across from Sicyon to Cirrha, when a squall from the north-west caught her on the beam and capsized her.

CRATES

No, I didn’t need any of these things; but neither did you, Diogenes. All that was needful you inherited from Antisthenes and I from you—things far more important and august than the Persian empire.

DIOGENES

What things do you mean?

CRATES

Wisdom, independence, truth, plain speaking, freedom.

DIOGENES

Good heavens, yes. I remember taking over these riches from Antisthenes, and leaving you them in still greater measure.

CRATES

But no one else cared for wealth of this sort, or paid us attentions in the hope of inheriting it from us; it was gold on which they all had their eyes.

CRATES

In consequence we shall retain our wealth even down here, but they will bring with them no more than an obol, and even that won’t go beyond the ferryman.