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XVII

Menippus

Tantalus

Menippus

What are you crying out about, Tantalus? standing at the edge and whining like that!

Tantalus

Ah, Menippus, I thirst, I perish!

Menippus

What, not enterprise enough to bend down to it, or scoop up some in your palm?

Tantalus

It is no use bending down; the water shrinks away as soon as it sees me coming. And if I do scoop it up and get it to my mouth, the outside of my lips is hardly moist before it has managed to run through my fingers, and my hand is as dry as ever.

Menippus

A very odd experience, that. But by the way, why do you want to drink? you have no body—the part of you that was liable to hunger and thirst is buried in Lydia somewhere; how can you, the spirit, hunger or thirst any more?

Tantalus

Therein lies my punishment—soul thirsts as if it were body.

Menippus

Well, let that pass, as you say thirst is your punishment. But why do you mind it? are you afraid of dying, for want of drink? I do not know of any second Hades; can you die to this one, and go further?

Tantalus

No, that is quite true. But you see this is part of the sentence: I must long for drink, though I have no need of it.

Menippus

There is no meaning in that. There is a draught you need, though; some neat hellebore is what you want; you are suffering from a converse hydrophobia; you are not afraid of water, but you are of thirst.

Tantalus

I would as lief drink hellebore as anything, if I could but drink.

Menippus

Never fear, ‘Tantalus; neither you nor any other ghost will ever do that; it is impossible, you see; just as well we have not all got a penal thirst like you, with the water running away from us.

Henry Watson Fowler

Dialogi mortuorum. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

Current edition Perseus

Dialogues of the Dead (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 1. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

Editions (2)

Νεκρικοὶ Διάλογοι Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 17 focus

406 Μένιππος καὶ Τάνταλος.

Μένιππος

τί κλάεις, ὦ Τάνταλε; ἢ τί σεαυτὸν ὀδύρῃ ἐπὶ τῇ λίμνῃ ἑστώς;

Τάνταλος

ὅτι, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀπόλωλα ὑπὸ τοῦ δίψους.

Μένιππος

οὕτως ἀργὸς εἶ, ὡς μὴ ἐπικύψας πιεῖν ἢ καὶ νη Δίʼ αρυσάμενος κοίλῃ τῇ χειρί;

Τάνταλος

οὐδὲν ὄφελος, εἰ ἐπικύψαιμι· φεύγει γὰρ τὸ ὕδωρ, ἐπειδὰν προσιόντα αἴσθηταί με· ἢν δέ ποτε καὶ ἀρύσωμαι καὶ προσενέγκω τῷ στόματι, οὐ φθάνω βρέξας ἄκρον τὸ χεῖλος, καὶ διὰ τῶν δακτύλων διαρρυὲν οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως αὖθις ἀπολείπει ξηρὰν τὴν χεῖρά μοι.

Μένιππος

τεράστιόν τι πάσχεις, ὦ Τάνταλε. ἀτὰρ εἰπέ μοι, τί δαὶ καὶ δέῃ τοῦ πιεῖν; οὐ γὰρ σῶμα ἔχεις, ἀλλʼ 407 ἐκεῖνο μὲν ἐν Λυδίᾳ που τέθαπται, ὅπερ καὶ πεινῆν καὶ διψῆν ἐδύνατο, σὺ δὲ ἡ ψυχὴ πῶς ἂν ἔτι ἢ διψῴης ἢ πίνοις;

Τάνταλος

τοῦτʼ αὐτὸ ἡ κόλασίς ἐστι, τὸ διψῆν τὴν ψυχὴν ὡς σῶμα οὖσαν.

Μένιππος

ἀλλὰ τοῦτο μὲν οὕτως πιστεύσομεν, ἐπεὶ φὴς κολάζεσθαι τῷ δίψει. τί δʼ οὖν σοι τὸ δεινὸν ἔσται; ἢ δέδιας μὴ ἐνδείᾳ τοῦ ποτοῦ ἀποθάνῃς; οὐχ ὁρῶ γὰρ ἄλλον ᾅδην μετὰ τοῦτον ἢ θάνατον ἐντεῦθεν εἰς ἕτερον τόπον.

Τάνταλος

ὀρθῶς μὲν λέγεις· καὶ τοῦτο δʼ οὖν μέρος τῆς καταδίκης, τὸ ἐπιθυμεῖν πιεῖν μηδὲν δεόμενον.

Μένιππος

ληρεῖς, ὦ Τάνταλε, καὶ ὡς ἀληθῶς ποτοῦ δεῖσθαι δοκεῖς, ἀκράτου γε ἐλλεβόρου νὴ Δία, ὅστις τοὐναντίον τοῖς ὑπὸ τῶν λυττώντων κυνῶν δεδηγμένοις πέπονθας οὐ τὸ ὕδωρ, ἀλλὰ τὴν δίψαν πεφοβημένος.

Τάνταλος

οὐδὲ τὸν ἐλλέβορον, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀναίνομαι πιεῖν, γένοιτό μοι μόνον. 406

Μένιππος

θάρρει, ὦ Τάνταλε, ὡς οὔτε σὺ οὔτε ἄλλος πίεται τῶν νεκρῶν· ἀδύνατον γάρ· καίτοι οὐ πάντες ὥσπερ σὺ ἐκ καταδίκης διψῶσι τοῦ ὕδατος αὐτοὺς οὐχ ὑπομένοντος.

Νεκρικοὶ διάλογοι Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 7. Macleod, Matthew Donald, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961 (unrenewed copyright).) — 17 focus

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΟΥ

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Σὺ δὲ, ὦ Καλλιδημίδη, πῶς ἀπέθανες; ἐγὼ μὲν γὰρ ὅτι παράσιτος ὢν Δεινίου πλέον τοῦ ἱκανοῦ ἐμφαγὼν ἀπεπνίγην, οἶσθα· παρῆς γὰρ ἀποθνήσκοντί μοι.

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ

Παρῆν, ὦ Ζηνόφαντε· τὸ δὲ ἐμὸν παράδοξόν τι ἐγένετο. οἶσθα γὰρ καὶ σύ που Πτοιόδωρον τὸν γέροντα;

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Τὸν ἄτεκνον, τὸν πλούσιον, ᾧ σε τὰ πολλα ᾔδειν συνόντα.

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ

Ἐκεῖνον αὐτὸν ἀεὶ ἐθεράπευον ὑπισχνούμενον ἐπ' ἐμοὶ τεθνήξεσθαι. 356 ἐπεὶ δὲ τὸ πρᾶγμα εἰς μήκιστον ἐπεγίνετο καὶ ὑπὲρ τὸν Τιθωνὸν ὁ γέρων ἔζη, ἐπίτομόν τινα ὁδὸν ἐπὶ τὸν κλῆρον ἐξηῦρον· πριάμενος γὰρ φάρμακον ἀνέπεισα τὸν οἰνοχόον, ἐπειδὰν τάχιστα ὁ Πτοιόδωρος αἰτήσῃ πιεῖν,—πίνει δὲ ἐπιεικῶς ζωρότερον—ἐμβαλόντα εἰς κύλικα ἕτοιμον ἔχειν αὐτὸ καὶ ἐπιδοῦναι αὐτῷ· εἰ δὲ τοῦτο ποιήσει, ¹ ἐλεύθερον ἐπωμοσάμην ἀφήσειν αὐτόν.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Τί οὖν ἐγένετο; πάνυ γάρ τι παράδοξον ἐρεῖν ἔοικας.

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ

Ἐπεὶ τοίνυν λουσάμενοι ἥκομεν, δύο δὴ ὁ μειρακίσκος κύλικας ἑτοίμους ἔχων τὴν μὲν τῷ Πτοιοδώρῳ τὴν ἔχουσαν τὸ φάρμακον, τὴν δὲ 357 ἑτέραν ἐμοί, σφαλεὶς οὐκ οἶδ’ ὅπως ἐμοὶ μὲν τὸ φάρμακον, Πτοιοδώρῳ δὲ τὸ ἀφάρμακτον ἔδωκεν· εἶτα ὁ μὲν ἔπινεν, ἐγὼ δὲ αὐτίκα μάλα ἐκτάδην ἐκείμην ὑποβολιμαῖος ἀντ' ἐκείνου νεκρός. τί τοῦτο γελᾷς, ὦ Ζηνόφαντε; καὶ μὴν οὐκ ἔδει γε ἑταίρῳ ἀνδρὶ ἐπιγελᾶν.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Ἀστεῖα γάρ, ὦ Καλλιδημίδη, πέπονθας. ὁ γέρων δὲ τί πρὸς ταῦτα;

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ

Πρῶτον μὲν ὑπεταράχθη πρὸς τὸ αἰφνίδιον, εἶτα συνείς, οἶμαι, τὸ γεγενημένον ἐγέλα καὶ αὐτός, οἷά γε ὁ οἰνοχόος εἴργασται.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Πλὴν ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ σὲ τὴν ἐπίτομον ἐχρῆν τραπέσθαι· ἧκε γὰρ ἄν σοι διὰ τῆς λεωφόρου ἀσφαλέστερον, εἰ καὶ ὀλίγῳ βραδύτερος ἦν.

Translations (1)

Dialogues of the Dead Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 7. Macleod, Matthew Donald, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1961 (unrenewed copyright).) — 17 focus

Zenophantus And Callidemides

ZENOPHANTUS

Well, Callidemides, how did you die? I used to be a parasite of Dinias, and choked myself to death by eating too much, as you know; for you were there when I died.

CALLIDEMIDES

Yes, I was there, Zenophantus. But my death was a strange one. I think you know Ptoeodorus, the old man?

ZENOPHANTUS

The rich man with no children? I knew you were often with him.

CALLIDEMIDES

I was always most attentive to him, because he promised I would benefit by his death. But since the matter was taking an unconscionable time, and he was living to be older than Tithonus, I found a short cut to the inheritance. I bought poison, and persuaded his butler, next time he asked for wine—he’s a pretty heavy drinker, you know—to have the poison ready in the cup, and give it to him. I promised him his freedom, if he did it.

ZENOPHANTUS

Well, what happened? Your story looks like being a strange one.

CALLIDEMIDES

When we’d come in after our bath, the lad had two cups ready, one with the poison for Ptoeodorus, and the other for me, but somehow he made a mistake, giving me the poison, and Ptoeodorus the harmless cup. A moment later, while he was still drinking, I was lying my full length on the floor, and the wrong man was dead. Why do you find it amusing, Zenophantus? You oughtn’t to laugh at a friend.

ZENOPHANTUS

Well, it was a droll thing to happen. But what did the old man do?

CALLIDEMIDES

At first he was a little put out by the suddenness of it all, but then he understood what had happened, I suppose, and laughed himself to see what his butler had done.

ZENOPHANTUS

But you oughtn’t to have taken that short cut; you’d have been surer of getting him here by the highway, even if he was a little slow in coming.

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XVII

Menippus

Tantalus

Menippus What are you crying out about, Tantalus? standing at the edge and whining like that!

Tantalus Ah, Menippus, I thirst, I perish!

Menippus What, not enterprise enough to bend down to it, or scoop up some in your palm?

Tantalus It is no use bending down; the water shrinks away as soon as it sees me coming. And if I do scoop it up and get it to my mouth, the outside of my lips is hardly moist before it has managed to run through my fingers, and my hand is as dry as ever.

Menippus A very odd experience, that. But by the way, why do you want to drink? you have no body—the part of you that was liable to hunger and thirst is buried in Lydia somewhere; how can you, the spirit, hunger or thirst any more?

Tantalus Therein lies my punishment—soul thirsts as if it were body.

Menippus Well, let that pass, as you say thirst is your punishment. But why do you mind it? are you afraid of dying, for want of drink? I do not know of any second Hades; can you die to this one, and go further?

Tantalus No, that is quite true. But you see this is part of the sentence: I must long for drink, though I have no need of it.

Menippus There is no meaning in that. There is a draught you need, though; some neat hellebore is what you want; you are suffering from a converse hydrophobia; you are not afraid of water, but you are of thirst.

Tantalus I would as lief drink hellebore as anything, if I could but drink.

Menippus Never fear, ‘Tantalus; neither you nor any other ghost will ever do that; it is impossible, you see; just as well we have not all got a penal thirst like you, with the water running away from us.

Current edition Perseus

406 Μένιππος καὶ Τάνταλος.

Μένιππος τί κλάεις, ὦ Τάνταλε; ἢ τί σεαυτὸν ὀδύρῃ ἐπὶ τῇ λίμνῃ ἑστώς;

Τάνταλος ὅτι, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀπόλωλα ὑπὸ τοῦ δίψους.

Μένιππος οὕτως ἀργὸς εἶ, ὡς μὴ ἐπικύψας πιεῖν ἢ καὶ νη Δίʼ αρυσάμενος κοίλῃ τῇ χειρί;

Τάνταλος τοῦτʼ αὐτὸ ἡ κόλασίς ἐστι, τὸ διψῆν τὴν ψυχὴν ὡς σῶμα οὖσαν.

Τάνταλος ὀρθῶς μὲν λέγεις· καὶ τοῦτο δʼ οὖν μέρος τῆς καταδίκης, τὸ ἐπιθυμεῖν πιεῖν μηδὲν δεόμενον.

Τάνταλος οὐδὲ τὸν ἐλλέβορον, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀναίνομαι πιεῖν, γένοιτό μοι μόνον. 406

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΟΥ

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ Παρῆν, ὦ Ζηνόφαντε· τὸ δὲ ἐμὸν παράδοξόν τι ἐγένετο. οἶσθα γὰρ καὶ σύ που Πτοιόδωρον τὸν γέροντα;

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ Τὸν ἄτεκνον, τὸν πλούσιον, ᾧ σε τὰ πολλα ᾔδειν συνόντα.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ Τί οὖν ἐγένετο; πάνυ γάρ τι παράδοξον ἐρεῖν ἔοικας.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ Ἀστεῖα γάρ, ὦ Καλλιδημίδη, πέπονθας. ὁ γέρων δὲ τί πρὸς ταῦτα;

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ Πρῶτον μὲν ὑπεταράχθη πρὸς τὸ αἰφνίδιον, εἶτα συνείς, οἶμαι, τὸ γεγενημένον ἐγέλα καὶ αὐτός, οἷά γε ὁ οἰνοχόος εἴργασται.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ Πλὴν ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ σὲ τὴν ἐπίτομον ἐχρῆν τραπέσθαι· ἧκε γὰρ ἄν σοι διὰ τῆς λεωφόρου ἀσφαλέστερον, εἰ καὶ ὀλίγῳ βραδύτερος ἦν.

Zenophantus And Callidemides

ZENOPHANTUS Well, Callidemides, how did you die? I used to be a parasite of Dinias, and choked myself to death by eating too much, as you know; for you were there when I died.

CALLIDEMIDES Yes, I was there, Zenophantus. But my death was a strange one. I think you know Ptoeodorus, the old man?

ZENOPHANTUS The rich man with no children? I knew you were often with him.

ZENOPHANTUS Well, what happened? Your story looks like being a strange one.

ZENOPHANTUS Well, it was a droll thing to happen. But what did the old man do?

CALLIDEMIDES At first he was a little put out by the suddenness of it all, but then he understood what had happened, I suppose, and laughed himself to see what his butler had done.

ZENOPHANTUS But you oughtn’t to have taken that short cut; you’d have been surer of getting him here by the highway, even if he was a little slow in coming.

Stable identifiers

Menippus

What are you crying out about, Tantalus? standing at the edge and whining like that!

Tantalus

Ah, Menippus, I thirst, I perish!

Menippus

What, not enterprise enough to bend down to it, or scoop up some in your palm?

Tantalus

It is no use bending down; the water shrinks away as soon as it sees me coming. And if I do scoop it up and get it to my mouth, the outside of my lips is hardly moist before it has managed to run through my fingers, and my hand is as dry as ever.

Menippus

A very odd experience, that. But by the way, why do you want to drink? you have no body—the part of you that was liable to hunger and thirst is buried in Lydia somewhere; how can you, the spirit, hunger or thirst any more?

Tantalus

Therein lies my punishment—soul thirsts as if it were body.

Menippus

Well, let that pass, as you say thirst is your punishment. But why do you mind it? are you afraid of dying, for want of drink? I do not know of any second Hades; can you die to this one, and go further?

Tantalus

No, that is quite true. But you see this is part of the sentence: I must long for drink, though I have no need of it.

Menippus

There is no meaning in that. There is a draught you need, though; some neat hellebore is what you want; you are suffering from a converse hydrophobia; you are not afraid of water, but you are of thirst.

Tantalus

I would as lief drink hellebore as anything, if I could but drink.

Menippus

Never fear, ‘Tantalus; neither you nor any other ghost will ever do that; it is impossible, you see; just as well we have not all got a penal thirst like you, with the water running away from us.

Μένιππος

τί κλάεις, ὦ Τάνταλε; ἢ τί σεαυτὸν ὀδύρῃ ἐπὶ τῇ λίμνῃ ἑστώς;

Τάνταλος

ὅτι, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀπόλωλα ὑπὸ τοῦ δίψους.

Μένιππος

οὕτως ἀργὸς εἶ, ὡς μὴ ἐπικύψας πιεῖν ἢ καὶ νη Δίʼ αρυσάμενος κοίλῃ τῇ χειρί;

Τάνταλος

τοῦτʼ αὐτὸ ἡ κόλασίς ἐστι, τὸ διψῆν τὴν ψυχὴν ὡς σῶμα οὖσαν.

Τάνταλος

ὀρθῶς μὲν λέγεις· καὶ τοῦτο δʼ οὖν μέρος τῆς καταδίκης, τὸ ἐπιθυμεῖν πιεῖν μηδὲν δεόμενον.

Τάνταλος

οὐδὲ τὸν ἐλλέβορον, ὦ Μένιππε, ἀναίνομαι πιεῖν, γένοιτό μοι μόνον. 406

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ

Παρῆν, ὦ Ζηνόφαντε· τὸ δὲ ἐμὸν παράδοξόν τι ἐγένετο. οἶσθα γὰρ καὶ σύ που Πτοιόδωρον τὸν γέροντα;

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Τὸν ἄτεκνον, τὸν πλούσιον, ᾧ σε τὰ πολλα ᾔδειν συνόντα.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Τί οὖν ἐγένετο; πάνυ γάρ τι παράδοξον ἐρεῖν ἔοικας.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Ἀστεῖα γάρ, ὦ Καλλιδημίδη, πέπονθας. ὁ γέρων δὲ τί πρὸς ταῦτα;

ΚΑΛΛΙΔΗΜΙΔΗΣ

Πρῶτον μὲν ὑπεταράχθη πρὸς τὸ αἰφνίδιον, εἶτα συνείς, οἶμαι, τὸ γεγενημένον ἐγέλα καὶ αὐτός, οἷά γε ὁ οἰνοχόος εἴργασται.

ΖΗΝΟΦΑΝΤΟΣ

Πλὴν ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ σὲ τὴν ἐπίτομον ἐχρῆν τραπέσθαι· ἧκε γὰρ ἄν σοι διὰ τῆς λεωφόρου ἀσφαλέστερον, εἰ καὶ ὀλίγῳ βραδύτερος ἦν.

ZENOPHANTUS

Well, Callidemides, how did you die? I used to be a parasite of Dinias, and choked myself to death by eating too much, as you know; for you were there when I died.

CALLIDEMIDES

Yes, I was there, Zenophantus. But my death was a strange one. I think you know Ptoeodorus, the old man?

ZENOPHANTUS

The rich man with no children? I knew you were often with him.

ZENOPHANTUS

Well, what happened? Your story looks like being a strange one.

ZENOPHANTUS

Well, it was a droll thing to happen. But what did the old man do?

CALLIDEMIDES

At first he was a little put out by the suddenness of it all, but then he understood what had happened, I suppose, and laughed himself to see what his butler had done.

ZENOPHANTUS

But you oughtn’t to have taken that short cut; you’d have been surer of getting him here by the highway, even if he was a little slow in coming.