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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν χρὴ ἔτη βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οὐ γάρ, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε· καὶ δεινὸν οὐδέν, εἴ γε ἀληθῆ ἔλεγες ἐν ἀρχῇ, ὡς ὁ μὲν βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή. νῦν δὲ οὐκ οἶδ’ ὅ τι παθὼν ἀγανακτεῖς, εἰ μὴ αὐθημερὸν ἡμῖν πρὶν δῦναι ἥλιον Χρύσιππος ἢ Πλάτων ἢ Πυθαγόρας γένοιο.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Περιέρχῃ με, ὦ Λυκῖνε, καὶ συνελαύνεις ἐς στενὸν οὐδὲν ὑπ' ἐμοῦ δεινὸν παθών, ὑπὸ φθόνου δηλαδή, ὅτι ἐγὼ μὲν προὔκοπτον ἐν τοῖς μαθήμασι, σὺ δὲ ὠλιγώρησας ἑαυτοῦ τηλικοῦτος ὤν.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Οἶσθ' οὖν ὃ δράσεις; ἐμοὶ μὲν ὥσπερ κορυβαντιῶντι μὴ πρόσεχε τὸν νοῦν, ἀλλ’ ἔα ληρεῖν, σὺ δὲ ὡς ἔχεις προχώρει ἐς τὸ πρόσθε τῆς ὁδοῦ καὶ πέραινε κατὰ τὰ ἐξ ἀρχῆς σοι δεδογμένα περὶ τούτων.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Καὶ μὴν εὖ εἰδέναι χρὴ ὡς οὐκ ἄν ποτε ἄλλο εἴποιμι. βίαιον δὲ λέγων ἐμὲ ἀναίτιον δοκεῖς μοι κατὰ τὸν ποιητὴν αἰτιάασθαι, ¹ αὐτόν, ἔστ' ἂν μὴ ἕτερός σοι λόγος συμμαχήσας ἀφέληται τῆς βίας, ἤδη ἀγόμενον· ἰδού γέ τοι καὶ τάδε πολλῷ βιαιότερα φαίη ἄν σοι ὁ λόγος· σὺ δὲ ἐκεῖνον παρεὶς ἐμὲ ἴσως αἰτιάσῃ.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

Hermotimus. Lucian of Samosata. ed. Kenneth Kilburn. Medford, MA. Perseus 5.0.

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Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος (Greek) (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).)

Editions (1)

Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 63 focus

Ἑρμότιμος

ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν ἔτη χρὴ βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

Λυκῖνος

οὐ γάρ, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε· καὶ δεινὸν οὐδέν, εἴ γε ἀληθῆ ἔλεγες ἐν ἀρχῇ, ὡς ὁ μὲν βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή. νῦν δὲ οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅ τι παθὼν ἀγανακτεῖς, εἰ μὴ αὐθημερὸν ἡμῖν πρὶν ἥλιον δῦναι Χρύσιππος ἢ Πλάτων ἢ Πυθαγόρας γένοιο.

Ἑρμότιμος

περιέρχῃ με, ὦ Λυκῖνε, καὶ συνελαύνεις ἐς στενὸν οὐδὲν ὑπʼ ἐμοῦ δεινὸν παθών, ὑπὸ φθόνου δηλαδή, ὅτι ἐγὼ μὲν προὔκοπτον ἐν τοῖς μαθήμασι, σὺ δὲ ὠλιγώρησας ἑαυτοῦ τηλικοῦτος ὤν.

Λυκῖνος

οἶσθʼ οὖν ὃ δράσεις; ἐμοὶ μὲν ὥσπερ κορυβαντιῶντι μὴ πρόσεχε τὸν νοῦν, ἀλλʼ ἔα ληρεῖν, σὺ δὲ ὡς ἔχεις προχώρει ἐς τὸ πρόσθεν τῆς ὁδοῦ καὶ πέραινε κατὰ τὰ ἐξ ἀρχῆς σοι δεδογμένα περὶ τούτων.

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

Λυκῖνος

καὶ μὴν εὖ εἰδέναι χρὴ ὡς οὐκ ἄν ποτε ἄλλο 805 εἴποιμι. βίαιον δὲ λέγων ἐμὲ ἀναίτιον δοκεῖς μοι κατὰ τὸν ποιητὴν αἰτιάασθαι αὐτόν, ἔστʼ ἂν μὴ ἕτερός σοι λόγος συμμαχήσας ἀφέληται τῆς βίας, ἤδη ἀγόμενον· ἰδού γέ τοι καὶ τάδε πολλῷ βιαιότερα φαίη ἄν σοι ὁ λόγος· σὺ δʼ ἐκεῖνον παρεὶς ἐμὲ ἴσως αἰτιάσῃ.

Ἑρμότιμος

τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

Translations (2)

The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 63 focus

HERMOTIMUS

Granted, Lycinus. What next? Must we live a hundred years and have all that trouble? Is there no other way of studying philosophy?

LYCINUS

No, Hermotimus. Nor need we complain if what you said at first is true: that life is short and art is long. And now I don’t understand why you are distressed if you cannot become a Chrysippus or a Plato or a Pythagoras today before sunset.

HERMOTIMUS

You hedge me round, Lycinus, and drive me into a corner, although I have done you no harm. Clearly you are doing this from spite, because I have made progress in my studies while you have neglected yourself—at your age too.

LYCINUS

Do you know what? Take no notice of my ravings, but leave me to my silly chatter, and you go on your way as you are and finish what you decided to do in the first place.

HERMOTIMUS

You are so compulsive that you do not let me make any choice unless I try them all.

LYCINUS

Well, you may be sure that I shall never say anything else. When you call me compulsive you seem to me to be blaming the innocent, as the poet says; ¹ for I myself, as long as no other argument comes to your aid to release you from the compulsion, am at present a helpless captive. But look, the argument is going to bring much greater pressure to bear on you, but perhaps you will ignore that and blame me.

HERMOTIMUS

How? I should be surprised if it had anything left to say.

Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies Perseus (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.) — 63 focus

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Hermotimus

Oh, have it your own way, Lycinus. Well then, we have got to live a hundred years, and go through all this trouble? There is no other road to philosophy?

Lycinus

No, none; and we need not complain; as you very truly said, ars longa, vita brevis. But I do not know what has come over you; you now make a grievance of it, if you cannot before set of sun develop into a Chrysippus, a Plato, a Pythagoras.

Hermotimus

You trap me, and drive me into a corner, Lycinus; yet I never provoked you; it is all envy, I know, because I have made some progress in my studies, whereas you have neglected yourself, when you were old enough to know better.

Lycinus

Seest, then, thy true course? never mind me, but leave me as a lunatic to my follies, and you go on your way and accomplish what you have intended all this time.

Hermotimus

But you are so masterful, you will not let me make a choice, till I have proved all.

Lycinus

Why, I confess, you will never get me to budge from that. But when you call me masterful, it seems to me you blame the blameless, as the poet says; for I am myself being dragged along by reason, until you bring up some other reason to release me from durance. And here is reason about to talk more masterfully still, you will see; but I suppose you will exonerate it, and blame me.

Hermotimus

What can it be? I am surprised to hear it still has anything in reserve.

Notes on the current edition

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος

1. αἰτιάασθαι Jacobitz: αἰτιᾶσθαι MSS.

Lucian of Samosata Hermotimus 63

ed. Kenneth Kilburn

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν χρὴ ἔτη βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

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Ἑρμότιμος

ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν ἔτη χρὴ βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

Ἑρμότιμος

τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

HERMOTIMUS

Granted, Lycinus. What next? Must we live a hundred years and have all that trouble? Is there no other way of studying philosophy?

LYCINUS

No, Hermotimus. Nor need we complain if what you said at first is true: that life is short and art is long. And now I don’t understand why you are distressed if you cannot become a Chrysippus or a Plato or a Pythagoras today before sunset.

HERMOTIMUS

You hedge me round, Lycinus, and drive me into a corner, although I have done you no harm. Clearly you are doing this from spite, because I have made progress in my studies while you have neglected yourself—at your age too.

LYCINUS

Do you know what? Take no notice of my ravings, but leave me to my silly chatter, and you go on your way as you are and finish what you decided to do in the first place.

HERMOTIMUS

You are so compulsive that you do not let me make any choice unless I try them all.

HERMOTIMUS

How? I should be surprised if it had anything left to say.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Notes on the current edition

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ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν χρὴ ἔτη βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Ἀλλ' οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

Current edition Perseus

Ἑρμότιμος ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν ἔτη χρὴ βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

Ἑρμότιμος ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

Ἑρμότιμος τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

HERMOTIMUS Granted, Lycinus. What next? Must we live a hundred years and have all that trouble? Is there no other way of studying philosophy?

LYCINUS No, Hermotimus. Nor need we complain if what you said at first is true: that life is short and art is long. And now I don’t understand why you are distressed if you cannot become a Chrysippus or a Plato or a Pythagoras today before sunset.

HERMOTIMUS You hedge me round, Lycinus, and drive me into a corner, although I have done you no harm. Clearly you are doing this from spite, because I have made progress in my studies while you have neglected yourself—at your age too.

LYCINUS Do you know what? Take no notice of my ravings, but leave me to my silly chatter, and you go on your way as you are and finish what you decided to do in the first place.

HERMOTIMUS You are so compulsive that you do not let me make any choice unless I try them all.

HERMOTIMUS How? I should be surprised if it had anything left to say.

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Lycinus

Hermotimus

Notes on the current edition

Stable identifiers

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν χρὴ ἔτη βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ἀλλ' οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

Ἑρμότιμος

ἔστω ταῦτα ὡς βούλει, Λυκῖνε. τί οὖν; ἑκατὸν ἔτη χρὴ βιῶναι καὶ τοσαῦτα ὑπομεῖναι πράγματα; ἢ οὐκ ἂν ἄλλως φιλοσοφήσαιμεν;

Ἑρμότιμος

ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἐᾷς σὺ βίαιος ὢν αἱρεῖσθαί τι, ἢν μὴ πειραθῶ ἁπάντων.

Ἑρμότιμος

τὰ ποῖα; θαυμάζω γάρ, εἴ τι ἄρρητον καταλέλειπται αὐτῷ.

HERMOTIMUS

Granted, Lycinus. What next? Must we live a hundred years and have all that trouble? Is there no other way of studying philosophy?

LYCINUS

No, Hermotimus. Nor need we complain if what you said at first is true: that life is short and art is long. And now I don’t understand why you are distressed if you cannot become a Chrysippus or a Plato or a Pythagoras today before sunset.

HERMOTIMUS

You hedge me round, Lycinus, and drive me into a corner, although I have done you no harm. Clearly you are doing this from spite, because I have made progress in my studies while you have neglected yourself—at your age too.

LYCINUS

Do you know what? Take no notice of my ravings, but leave me to my silly chatter, and you go on your way as you are and finish what you decided to do in the first place.

HERMOTIMUS

You are so compulsive that you do not let me make any choice unless I try them all.

HERMOTIMUS

How? I should be surprised if it had anything left to say.