Lucian, Hermotimus, Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator), 49

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Hermotimus

You must decide about that; but I see that, at the best, it will be but few who will get through the course, though they begin philosophy and life together.

Lycinus

In that case, what are we to do? Must we withdraw our previous admission, that no one can choose the best out of many without trying all? We thought selection without experiment a method of inquiry savouring more of divination than of judgement, did we not?

Hermotimus

Yes.

Lycinus

Without such longevity, then, it is absolutely impossible for us to complete the series—experiment, selection, philosophy, Happiness. Yet anything short of that is a mere game of blindman’s-buff; whatever we knock against and get hold of we shall be taking for the thing we want, because the truth is hidden from us. Even if a mere piece of luck brings us straight to it, we shall have no grounded conviction of our success; there are so many similar objects, all claiming to be the real thing.

Hermotimus. Lucian. Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator). Medford, MA, USA. 2023-08-01.

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Hermotimus, or the Rival Philosophies (English) (The Works of Lucian of Samosata, Vol. 2. Fowler, Henry Watson and Fowler, Francis George, translators. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1905.)

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Ἑρμότιμος ἢ Περὶ Αἱρέσεων Perseus (Lucian. Luciani Samosatensis Opera, Vol. 1. Jacobitz, Karl, editor. Leipzig: Teubner, 1909.) — 49 focus

Ἑρμότιμος

αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

Λυκῖνος

τί οὖν ἂν πάθοι τις, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, εἰ τοιοῦτόν ἐστι τὸ πρᾶγμα; ἢ ἀνατρεπτέον ἐκεῖνα τὰ ἤδη ὡμολογημένα, ὡς οὐκ ἄν τις ἕλοιτο ἐκ πολλῶν τὸ βέλτιστον μὴ οὐχὶ πειραθεὶς ἁπάντων; ὡς τόν γε ἄνευ πείρας αἱρούμενον μαντείᾳ μᾶλλον ἢ κρίσει τἀληθὲς ἀναζητοῦντα. 791 οὐχ οὕτως ἐλέγομεν;

Ἑρμότιμος

ναί.

Λυκῖνος

πᾶσα τοίνυν ἀνάγκη ἐπὶ τοσοῦτον βιῶναι ἡμᾶς, εἰ μέλλοιμεν εὖ τε αἱρήσεσθαι ἁπάντων πειραθέντες καὶ ἑλόμενοι φιλοσοφήσειν καὶ φιλοσοφήσαντες εὐδαιμονήσειν· πρὶν δὲ ρὕτω ποιῆσαι, ἐν σκότῳ, φασίν, ὀρχοίμεθʼ ἂν οἷς ἂν τύχωμεν προσπταίοντες καὶ ὅ τι ἂν πρῶτον ἐς τὰς χεῖρας ἔλθῃ, τοῦτʼ εἶναι τὸ ζητούμενον ὑπολαμβάνοντες διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι τἀληθές. εἰ δὲ καὶ εὕροιμεν ἄλλως κατά τινα ἀγαθὴν τύχην περιπεσόντες αὐτῷ, οὐχ ἕξομεν βεβαίως εἰδέναι εἰ ἐκεῖνό ἐστιν ὃ ζητοῦμεν· πολλὰ γάρ ἐστιν ὅμοια αὑτοῖς, λέγοντα ἕκαστον αὐτὸ εἶναι τἀληθέστατον.

Σκύθης ἢ πρόξενος Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, editor. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 49 focus

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Τί ἂν ¹ οὖν πάθοι τις, ὦ Ἑρμότιμε, εἰ τοιοῦτόν ἐστι τὸ πρᾶγμα; ἢ ἀνατρεπτέον ἐκεῖνα τὰ ἤδη ὡμολογημένα—ὡς οὐκ ἄν τις ἕλοιτο ἐκ πολλῶν τὸ βέλτιστον μὴ οὐχὶ πειραθεὶς ἁπάντων; ὡς τόν γε ἄνευ πείρας αἱρούμενον μαντείᾳ μᾶλλον ἢ κρίσει τἀληθὲς ἀναζητοῦντα. οὐχ οὕτως ἐλέγομεν;

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ναί.

ΛΥΚΙΝΟΣ

Πᾶσα τοίνυν ἀνάγκη ἐπὶ τοσοῦτον βιῶναι ἡμᾶς, εἰ μέλλοιμεν εὖ τε αἱρήσεσθαι ἁπάντων πειραθέντες καὶ ἑλόμενοι φιλοσοφήσειν καὶ φιλοσοφήσαντες εὐδαιμονήσειν. πρὶν δὲ οὕτω ποιῆσαι, ἐν σκότῳ φασὶν ὀρχοίμεθ' ἂν οἷς ἂν τύχωμεν προσπταίοντες καὶ ὅ τι ἂν πρῶτον ἐς τὰς χεῖρας ἔλθῃ, τοῦτο εἶναι τὸ ζητούμενον ὑπολαμβάνοντες διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι τἀληθές. εἰ δὲ καὶ εὕροιμεν ἄλλως κατά τινα ἀγαθὴν τύχην περιπεσόντες αὐτῷ, οὐχ ἕξομεν βεβαίως εἰδέναι εἰ ἐκεῖνό ἐστιν ὃ ζητοῦμεν. πολλὰ γάρ ἐστιν ὅμοια αὑτοῖς, λέγοντα ἕκαστον αὐτὸ εἶναι τἀληθέστατον.

Translations (1)

The Scythian or Consul Perseus (Lucian, Vol. 6. Kilburn, Kenneth, translator. London: William Heinemann, Ltd.; Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1959 (unrenewed copyright).) — 49 focus

HERMOTIMUS

You would know better than 1 I see this: few would get through them all even on this reckoning, if they began right from the day they were born.

LYCINUS

If that is the case, Hermotimus, what can we do? Must we go back on what we have already agreed—that no one can choose the best out of so many without trying them all? We agreed that to choose without putting to the test was to seek the truth more by divination than by judgment. Is that not what we said?

HERMOTIMUS

Yes.

LYCINUS

Then there is every necessity for us to live all that time, if we are going first to make a good choice when we have made trial of them all, then to practise philosophy after we have made our choice, and finally to be happy after we have practised our philosophy. Until we do this we shall be dancing in the dark, as they say, and whatever we happen to stumble on, and whatever comes first into our hands, we shall assume to be what we are after because of our ignorance of the truth. In any case even if by some good fortune we happen to fall over the truth, we shall not be able to know for sure if it is what we are after. There are many things much alike, each claiming to be the real truth.

Lucian Hermotimus 49

Henry Watson Fowler (Translator), Francis George Fowler (Translator)

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Ἑρμότιμος

αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

Ἑρμότιμος

ναί.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ναί.

HERMOTIMUS

You would know better than 1 I see this: few would get through them all even on this reckoning, if they began right from the day they were born.

HERMOTIMUS

Yes.

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Ἑρμότιμος αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

Ἑρμότιμος ναί.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ Ναί.

HERMOTIMUS You would know better than 1 I see this: few would get through them all even on this reckoning, if they began right from the day they were born.

HERMOTIMUS Yes.

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Ἑρμότιμος

αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

Ἑρμότιμος

ναί.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Αὐτὸς ἂν εἰδείης ἄμεινον· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁρῶ τοῦτο, ὅτι ὀλίγοι ἂν καὶ οὕτω διὰ πασῶν ἐξέλθοιεν ἐκ γενετῆς εὐθὺς ἀρξάμενοι.

ΕΡΜΟΤΙΜΟΣ

Ναί.

HERMOTIMUS

You would know better than 1 I see this: few would get through them all even on this reckoning, if they began right from the day they were born.

HERMOTIMUS

Yes.