Plato Republic 8.560

Paul Shorey (Translator)

Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.

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Notes on the current edition

Republic

1. For the metaphor cf. Xen. Mem. i. 2. 24
ἐδυνάσθην ἐκείνῳ χρωμένω συμμάχῳ τῶν μὴ καλῶν ἐπιθυμιῶν κρατεῖν
, they [Critias and Alcibiades] found in him [Socrates] an ally who gave them strength to conquer their evil passions. (Loeb tr.)
2. Cf. on 554 D, p. 276, note c.
3. τινες . . . αἱ μὲν . . . αἱ δὲ. For the partitive apposition cf. 566 E, 584 D, Gorg. 499 C. Cf. also Protag. 330 A, Gorg. 450 C, Laws 626 E, Eurip. Hec. 1185-1186.
4. Cf. Tim. 90 A.
5. For the idea of guardians of the soul Cf. Laws 961 D, 549 B Cf. also on Phaedo 113 D, What Plato Said, p. 536.
6. Cf. Phaedo 92 D.
7. Plato, like Matthew Arnold, liked to use nicknames for classes of people: Cf. Rep. 415 D
γηγενεῖς
, Theaet. 181 A
ῥέοντας
, Soph. 248 A
εἰδῶν φίλους
, Phileb. 44 E
τοῖς δυσχερέσιν
. So Arnold in Culture and Anarchy uses Populace, Philistines, Barbarians, Friends of Culture, etc., Friends of Physical Science, Lit. and Dogma, p. 3.
8. βοήθεια: cf. Aristot. De an. 404 a 12.
9. Cf. 474 D, Thucyd. iii. 82 Wilamowitz, Platon, i. 435-436 says that Plato had not used Thucydides. But cf. Gomperz iii. 331, and What Plato Said, pp. 2-3, 6, 8. See Isoc. Antid. 284
σκώπτειν καὶ μιμεῖσθαι δυναμένους εὐφυεῖς καλοῦσι
, etc., Areop. 20 and 49, Aristot. Eth. Nic. 1180 b 25, Quintil. iii. 7. 25 and viii. 6. 36, Sallust, Cat.C 52
iam pridem equidem nos vera vocabula rerum amisimus,
etc.
10. ὑπερορίζουσι: Cf. Laws 855 C
ὑπερορίαν φυγάδα
, 866 D.
11. Cf. 567 C and 573 B where the word is also used ironically, and Laws 735, Polit. 293 D, Soph. 226 D.
12. κατέχομαι is used of divine possession or inspiration in Phaedr. 244 E, Ion 533 E, 536 B, etc., Xen. Symp. 1. 10.
13. Plato frequently employs the language of the mysteries for literary effect. Cf. Gorg. 497 C, Symp. 210 A and 218 B, Theaet. 155 E-156 A, Laws 666 B, 870 D-E, Phaedr. 250 B-C, 249 C, Phaedo 81 A, 69 C, Rep. 378 A, etc., and Thompson on Meno 76 E.
14. Cf. Eurip. fr. 628. 5 (Nauck), Soph. El. 1130.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Republic (Plato. The Republic, Vol 1-2. Adam, James, editor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-1903.) focus

στάσις κτλ. Cf. 556 E, 557 A. On the tense of ὑπεχώρησε and the other aorists throughout this passage see 548 D note

τινες ‐‐ αἱ μὲν κτλ. Cf. IV 431 A note The words διεφθάρησαν—ἐξέπεσον correspond to ἀποκτείνωσι—ἐκβάλωσι in 557 A. Madvig's διετράπησαν is an unlucky venture.

ἀνεπιστημοσύνην ‐‐ πατρός : the father is himself ἀπαίδευτος (552 E note), and the ἀπαίδευτος cannot παιδεύειν. On the genitives see V 449 A note

τὰς αὐτὰς ὁμιλίας κτλ. The reference in τὰς αὐτάς is to ξυγγένηται—δεινοῖς 559 D. Ast's conjecture τὰς αὑταῖς ὁμιλίας is wrong in point of sense. λάθρᾳ ξυγγιγνόμεναι: viz. with the desires of the ‘drones’: see 559 D.

ἐν ἀνδρῶν κτλ. The stately cadence is worthy of the theme: cf. τὴν— τέλεσι 560 E, and see the remarks of Longinus on rhythm and the arrangement of words as an element of ὕψος ( περὶ ὔψους 39 ff.).

ἀναδραμόντες κατέσχον : ‘ran up and seized.’ ἀναδραμόντες preserves the metaphor in ἀκρόπολιν (560 B).

εἰς ‐‐ Λωτοφάγους : ‘to those Lotos-eaters' land.’ ἐκείνους refers to κηφήνων 559 D. The figure is strikingly appropriate, for the lotos-flower of sensual indulgence makes man, who is an οὐράνιον φυτόν (Clem. Alex. Cohort. ad Gent. 96 A ed. Migne, following Plato Tim. 90 A ), forget ‘the imperial palace whence he came.’ Cf. VII 519 A, B notes, and (for Λωτοφάγοι) Luc. Salt. 2-4, Anth. Pal. XV 12. 8 μισῶ Λωτοφάγων γλυκερὴν λιπόπατριν ἐδωδήν (with reference to Epicureanism).

φανερῶς κατοικεῖ : no longer λάθρᾳ (560 B). He glories in his shame. Herwerden's κατοικεῖ <ἐκεῖ> in place of κατοικεῖ is wholly unnecessary and spoils the rhythm.

τοῦ βασιλικοῦ τείχους : i.e. the wall enclosing the ἀκρόπολις (560 B), where the soul's king or ruling power inhabits.

οὔτε πρέσβεις κτλ. : ‘nor admit an embassy of wise words spoken by private persons of maturer years.’ The contrast is between the ξυμμαχία itself, consisting of the λόγοι of οἰκεῖοι, and ‘ambassador-words’ of ἰδιῶται, i.e. men who take no part in public or official life. Their representations would serve as ambassadors to those of the οἰκεῖοι, whether the οἰκεῖοι inspire them or not. It has often been pointed out that Plato is thinking of Alcibiades in various parts of this description (see e.g. Steinhart Einleitung pp. 239, 698 note 238), Susemihl Gen. Entw. II p. 233 and Herwerden Mnem. XIX p. 337); and here, I believe, he has in mind the efforts of Socrates to reclaim him. Cf. VI 494 D note and especially Symp. 215 D ff. <*>πρεσβύτερος with reference to Socrates see ἀγαθοῖς καὶ πρεσβυτέροις III 409 C note; and for ἰδιώτης as applied to him, Apol. 32 E — 33 B. The order and rhythm, as in ἐν ἀνδρῶν θεοφιλῶν εἰσι διανοίαις above, is in keeping with the stately and sonorous eloquence of the whole passage: cf. IX 573 D. On Badham's conjecture δἰ ὤτων for ἰδιωτῶν see App. IV.

μαχόμενοι : viz. with τὸ φειδωλόν (560 C).

αἰδῶ . See 560 A. With what follows cf. Thuc. III 82. 4 ff. and Isocr. Areop. 20, Panath. 131 (Dümmler's Chron. Beiträge pp. 15 ff.).

σωφροσύνην κτλ. Thuc. l.c. τὸ δὲ σῶφρον τοῦ ἀνάνδρου πρόσχημα. Cf. Eur. Phoen. 509 ἀνανδρία γὰρ τὸ πλέον ὅστις ἀπολέσας | τοὔλασσον ἔλαβε. It is probable that Plato had Thucydides in his mind: see Susemihl Gen. Entw. II p. 234.

μετά : ‘with the aid of’ ( in Vereinigung mit, Schneider).

καθήραντες κτλ. The imagery is borrowed from the Eleusinian rites. On the first day of the Greater Mysteries, which was called ἅλαδε μύσται, took place the cleansing of the μύσται in the sea: cf. Mommsen Feste d. Stadt Ath. p. 207 note 2. κατεχομένου is used as in Men. 99 D κατεχομένους ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ.

μεγάλοισι τέλεσι κτλ. The archaic termination in μεγάλοισι adds solemnity: see on I 330 B. λαμπράς = ‘in a blaze of light.’ Plato's language would suggest to an Athenian the brilliant scene on the evening of the Iacchus-day, when the ‘procession following the figure of Iacchus transformed itself into a λαμπαδηφορίἀ (Mommsen l.c. p. 229): cf. Ar. Frogs 340 ff. ἔγειρε φλογέας λαμπάδας ἐν χερσὶ τινάσσων Ἴακχ’ , ὦ Ἴακχε. The exiled ὕβρις etc. are conducted home like Iacchus to Eleusis. In χοροῦ there is an allusion to the χορὸς μυστῶν .

μεγαλοπρέπειαν . See on VI 486 A.

τοῦ ‐‐ τρεφομένου . Masculine, not neuter.

τὴν ‐‐ ἄνεσιν . I formerly read εἰς τὴν (with ΠΞ and many other MSS) instead of τήν, but now believe that A is right. “Non est idem, εἰς δημοκρατικὸν μεταβάλλειν, et τὴν—ἐλευθέρωσιν μεταβάλλειν. Hoc prius, illud posterius, haec via, ille finis est” (Schneider). If Plato had written εἰς, it should have been followed by an accusative masculine, contrasting with ἐκ τοῦ—τρεφομένου, as in 553 A εἰς ὀλιγαρχικὸν ἐκ τοῦ τιμοκρατικοῦ ἐκείνου μεταβάλλει. For the use of μεταβάλλει cf. (with Schneider) IV 424 C et al. With the force of ἄνεσιν cf. IX 575 A ( ἀνεθέντα) and 590 A.

εὐτυχὴς ᾖ =‘if he is fortunate’ is much better than εὐτυχήσῃ (Cobet), which would mean ‘if he becomes fortunate.’ Cf. IX 578 C note

ἀλλά τι κτλ. : ‘but, owing also in some measure to the influence of years, when the tumult of the soul has mostly passed’ etc. Cf. I 329 C. Plato means that good fortune does something, and growing age the rest.

εἰς ἴσον κτλ. Pleasures are regarded by the δημοκρατικὸς ἀνήρ as individual men are regarded by the δημοκρατικὴ πολιτεία (557 A, 558 C notes): they are all equal. For ὥσπερ λαχούσῃ see on 557 A. ἕως ἂν πληρωθῇ means ‘till he’ (not ‘it,’ as D. and V. etc.) ‘is filled.’ Sensual pleasures πληροῦσι because they are πληρώσεις: cf. Phil. 35 D ff. This is the χαραδριοῦ βίος so powerfully described in Gorg. 493 A —494 D.

τὸ φρούριον κτλ. The φρούριον is the ἀκρόπολις of 560 B. With ἐάν τις λέγῃ κτλ. cf. Gorg. 495 A ff.

διαζῇ κτλ. The δημοκρατικός, like the State of which he is the counterpart, is a living example of the Cyrenaic cult of μονόχρονος ἡδονή: see 557 A, D, notes and RP.^{7} 207 B, 211. Steinhart ( Einleitung p. 698 note 239) with much probability thinks that the portrait is drawn from Alcibiades, whose ἦθος (says Plut. Alc. 2. 1) πολλὰς—ἀνομοιότητας καὶ πρὸς αὑτὸ μεταβολὰς ἐπεδείξατο. Cf. Eur. Hipp. 1115 —1117 ῥᾴδια δ’ ἤθεα τὸν αὔριον | μεταβαλλομένα χρόνον ἀεὶ | βίον ξυνευτυχοίην, and (with Nettleship Lect. and Rem. II p. 311 note) the striking parallel in Dryden's Absalom and Achitophel 545 ff. On ἀνομοιότης as marking decay in men and cities see 547 A, 557 A notes

οὔτε τις τάξις κτλ. “The absence of principle, he, like the democratic state, makes into a principle” (Nettleship l.c. II p. 310). On οὔτε ἀνάγκη see 557 E note, and on ήδύν 561 C note

ἰσονομικοῦ : ‘to whom all laws are equal.’ ‘Equal laws’ ( ἰσονομία) was the proud claim of democracy (Hdt. III 80, Bergk Poet. Lyr. Gr.^{4} III Scol. 12). The δημοκρατικός practises what he preaches ὡς ἀληθῶς—by impartially ignor ing every law ! For the etymological figure cf. II 376 B note

παντοδαπόν τε καὶ ‐‐ μεστόν . Richards proposes to write the genitive, remarking “surely the words are parallel to ἰσονομικοῦ.” Logically they are, but grammatically they need not be, for the life of an ἰσονομικὸς ἀνήρ is of course ἰσονομικός. With πλείστων ἠθῶν cf. πᾶσιν ἤθεσι πεποικιλμένη 557 C.

καὶ τὸν καλόν τε κτλ. lit.: ‘and that this man is the beautiful and manycoloured man, as the city described above’ (was the beautiful and manycoloured city). “Sunt diversa hominum et civitatum genera, unum simplex ac rectum, alterum duplex, aliud multiplex et varium. Qui primo accensendus est, ὁ ἁπλοῦς, qui alteri, ὁ διπλοῦς, hic vero ὁ καλός τε καὶ ποικίλος audit” (Schneider). Thus understood the article is strictly to the point, and there is no reason for writing τῶν καλῶν τε καὶ ποικίλων with Vind. B and W. H. Thompson. On ποικίλον see 557 C note It is worthy of remark that Clement interprets Joseph's ‘coat of many colours’ in the Old Testament as symbolical of desire: εἴη δ’ ἂν ἐπιθυμία ποικίλον ἔνδυμα ( Strom. V 8. 84 C ed. Migne).

ἐκείνην τὴν πόλιν . See 557 C, with which and 557 D the words ὂν πολλοί κτλ. are also in close correspondence.