Plato Republic 7.535

Paul Shorey (Translator)

Republic. Plato. Paul Shorey (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1935-37.

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Notes on the current edition

Republic

1. For ὥσπερ θριγκός cf. Eur. Herc. Fur. 1280, Aesch. Ag. 1283: and Phileb. 38 C-D ff.
2. Cf. 541 B.
3. Cf. 412 D-E, 485-487, 503 A, C-E.
4. Intellectually as well as physically. Cf. 357 A, Prot. 350 B f.
5. Cf. Symp. 209 B-C, Phaedr. 252 E and Vol. I. p. 261 on 402 D. Ascham, The Schoolmaster, Bk. I. also approves of this qualification.
6. For βλοσυρούς Cf. Theaet. 149 A.
7. Cf. 504 A, 364 E, Gorg. 480 C, Protag. 326 C, Euthyphro 15 C.
8. The qualities of the ideal student again. Cf. on 487 A.
9. Cf. 495 C ff., pp. 49-51.
10. Montaigne, i. 24 (vol. i. p. 73),
les âmes boiteuses, les bastardes et vulgaires, sont indignes de Ia philosophie.
11. Cf. Laws 634 A, Tim. 44 C.
12. Cf. 548 E, Lysis 206 C, Euthyd. 274 C, 304 C, and Vol. I. p. 515 on 475 D.
13. Cf. 382 A-B-C.
14. Cf. Laws 819 D, Rep. 372 D, Politicus 266 C, and my note in Class. Phil. xii. ( 1917) pp. 308-310. Cf. too the proverbial ὗς γνοίη, Laches 196 D and Rivals 134 A; and Apelt’s emendation of Cratyl. 393 C, Progr. Jena, 1905, p. 19.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Republic (Plato. The Republic, Vol 1-2. Adam, James, editor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1902-1903.) focus

διανομὴ κτλ. Herwerden needlessly and wantonly inserts σκεπτέα after τὸ λοιπόν.

τὴν προτέραν ἐκλογήν . III 412 B ff.

ἐκείνας τὰς φύσεις κτλ. ‘I would have you suppose that it must be those natures which are to be selected,’ lit. ‘ those natures must be to-be-selected.’ Kopetsch ( de verbalibus Plat. p. 29) confesses himself unable to quote any parallels for the ‘pleonasm.’ We might compare the use of δεῖν in μνημονικὴν αὐτὴν ζητῶμεν δεῖν εἶναι VI 486 D, where see note; but the fact is that δεῖν is not altogether pleonastic in the present passage. Without δεῖν we should translate ‘that it is those natures’ etc. and not ‘that it must be those natures’ etc.; and there is a slight but appreciable difference between the two. Richards would expunge δεῖν or read ἀεί, but ἀεί is quite unsuitable here. ἐκλεκτάς (which I once proposed, taking the words as=‘ought to have been selected’) is equally unsatisfactory, nor does θεῖναι, which might be suggested in place of εἶναι, carry conviction. The text is in my judgment sound.

βεβαιοτάτους ‐‐ ἀνδρειοτάτους . The contrast is between stedfastness and spirit: cf. II 375 A ff. and VI 503 C with Appendix VI to Book VI. εὐειδεστάτους has not hitherto been mentioned as a qualification of Plato's rulers: for VI 494 C cannot be interpreted in such a sense. The word is however certainly genuine: cf. ἀρτιμελεῖς in 536 B.

γενναίους ‐‐ τὰ ἤθη : ‘of noble and masculine characters.’ Cf. Theaet. 149 A μαίας μάλα γενναίας τε καὶ βλοσυρᾶς, Nicostrat. Frag. 35 ed. Kock νὴ τὴν Ἀφροδίτην, ὦ ξένη, βλοσυράν γε τὴν φυχὴν ἔχεις, and Aelian Var. Hist. 12. 21 δεμνὸν ἅμα καὶ βλοσυρὸν ὁρῶσαι (of Spartan women). In Cl. Rev. XIII p. 10 I have tried to shew that the original meaning of this vigorous and expressive word is ‘hairy,’ ‘shaggy,’ ‘bristling’ (horridus), from which to ‘virile’ the transition is natural enough. Mr L. D. Barnett has since supplied me with an interesting confirmation from Pollux IV 136 (on tragic masks) ὁ δὲ οὖλος, ξανθός, ὑπέρογκος. αἱ τρίχες τῷ ὄγκῳ προσπεπήγασιν, ὀφρύες ἀνατέτανται, βλοσυρὸς τὸ εἶδος.

ἃ ‐‐ πρόσφορα : ‘the natural characteristics suitable for our scheme of education.’ τῆς φύσεως depends on ἅ, not (as Stallbaum supposes) on τῇδε τῇ παιδείᾳ. The following list of qualifications should be compared with that in VI 485 A ff. The difference is slight, but φιλοπονία as a special attribute is new, and on the other hand some of the secondary moral qualities are not insisted upon here.

ἀποδειλιῶσι κτλ. Cf. VI 504 A.

ἄρρατον . The word ἄρρατος, which occurs again in Crat. 407 D , is apparently, like βλοσυρός, an expressive vulgarism de foro arreptum. There is considerable variety here in the inferior MSS, but the evidence of the Scholiast places the reading beyond doubt. ἄρρατος is explained by Timaeus (s. v.) as ἰσχυρός, στερεός, and with this explanation the Scholiast and Lexicographers agree. Some of the ancients derived the word from an obsolete verb ῥάω = ῥαίω. Schneider remarks that the α must be long “si verum est quod scholiastes Victorianus ad Il. XIIII 56 tradit, pro ἄῤῥηκτον alios legisse ἄῤῥατον.” See Stephanus-Hase Thes. s. v.

οὐδένα : ‘I think no one will.’ Van Prinsterer's οὐδενί, as Stallbaum observes, is unnecessary. In written dialogue, as in actual conversation, the answer does not always accommodate itself to the exact form of the question: cf. V 465 E note

πρότερον κτλ. The reference in πρότερον is to VI 495 C—496 A. In οὐ κατ’ ἀξίαν αὐτῆς ἅπτονται Dümmler sees an allusion to Antisthenes ( Antisth. p. 34), but see on 535 D, E.

ἄπονον : not μισόπονον, although μισοπονῇ appears below. Plato loves variety as well as uniformity, and Herwerden should not have proposed to write μισόπονον.

φιλόθηρος . Dümmler thinks Plato perhaps means Xenophon, who loved the chase; but it is unlikely that any personal reference is intended either here or in 535 C. See also on 535 E.

ὁ ‐‐ φιλοπονίαν : ‘whose love of work has taken the opposite direction.’

αὐτή τε καὶ κτλ. See on αὐτός τε καὶ—παρακάλει IV 427 D.

τὸ δ’ ἀκούσιον . See II 382 A—C.

θηρίον ὕειον . Dümmler again recognises the unhappy Antisthenes, remembering, no doubt, the ‘city of pigs.’ See however on II 372 D.