Plato Protagoras 326

Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator)

Protagoras. Plato. Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1924.

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Protagoras (English) (Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 2. Lamb, W.R.M., translator. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1924 (printing).)

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Πρωταγόρας Perseus (Platonis Opera, Tomus III: Tetralogia V-VII. Burnet, John, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1903.) — 326 focus

Notes on the current edition

Protagoras

1. The public inquiry to which a magistrate was liable after his term of office.

Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Protagoras (Plato. Platonis Protagoras. Adam, James; Adam, Adela Marion, editors. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1921.) focus

διέξοδοι means finished narratives or descriptions (cf. λόγῳ διεξελθών and διεξιέναι in 320C . It is to be noted that so far we have not got beyond ποίησις ψιλή (i.e. unaccompanied by music): lyric poetry begins to be studied when the lyre has been learnt (l. 25).

ἕτερα τοιαῦτα : for the phrase see on Apol. 26A . The accusative (internal) depends on ἐπιμελοῦνται as in 325C ἐπιμελοῦνται πᾶσαν ἐπιμέλειαν and Laws, VII. 812E ἀλλὰ ταῦτα μὲν ὁ παιδευτὴς ἐπιμελείσθω: the whole phrase is equivalent to ἑτέραν τοιαύτην σωφροσύνης τε ἐπιμέλειαν ποιοῦνται . Verbs taking the external object in the genitive or dative are not precluded from taking the internal object in the accusative.

εἰς τὰ κιθαρίσματα ἐντείνοντες. ἐντείνειν εἰςis to stretch into, i.e. to ‘put into’: whence ἐντείνειν ἐς κύκλον χωρίον τρίγωνον ‘to describe a triangle in a circle’ ( Meno, 87A ); περὶ γάπ τοι τῶν ροιημάτων ὦν ρεροίηκας ἐντείνας τοὺς τοῦ Αἰσώρου λόγους of adapting to metre ( Phaed. 60D); and here of accompanying poems on the lyre: the boys learn the poems and tunes (made by the poet) together, while the Citharist plays the lyre. Plato in the Laws, VII. 812D ff. requires the κιθαρίσματα to be identical with the tune to which the poem is sung: δεῖ—τοῖς φθόγγοις τῆς λύπας ρποσχπῆσθαι—τόν τε κιθαπιστὴν καὶ τὸν ραιδευόμενον, ἀροδιδόντας ρπόσχοπδα τὰ φθέγματα τοῖς φθέγμασι· τὴν δ’ ἑτεποφωνίαν καὶ ροικιλίαν τῆς λύπας, ἄλλα μὲν μέλη τῶν χοπδῶν ἱεισῶν, ἄλλα δὲ τοῦ τὴν μελω?δίαν ξυνθέντος ροιητοῦ—ράντα τὰ τοιαῦτα μὴ προσφέρειν κτλ.

ῥυθμούς τε καὶ ἁρμονίας. ῥυθμοίtimes or rhythms (cf. Rep. III. 399E ff.), ἁρμονίαι scales ( ibid. 398D ff.). ῥυθμός and ἁρμονία between them make up μουσική in the narrower sense: see Symp. 187A ff., where music is defined as περὶ ἁρμονίαν καὶ ῥυθμὸν ἐρωτικῶν ἐπιστήμη—περὶ ἁρμονίαν since it reconciles ὀξύ and βαρύ, περὶ ῥυθμόν since it reconciles ταχύ and βραδύ .

οἰκειοῦσθαι ταῖς ψυχαῖς τῶν παίδων . Sauppe quotes Rep. III. 401D κυριωτάτη ἐν μουσικῇ τροφή, ὅτι μάλιστα καταδύεται εἰς τὸ ἐντὸς τῆς ψυχῆς ὄ τε ῥυθμὸς καὶ ἁρμονία καὶ ἐρρωμενέστατα ἅπτεται αὐτῆς.

εὐρυθμότεροι καὶ εὐαρμοστότεροι . See Rep. III. 400C ff., where, after it is shown that τὸ εὔρυθμον and τὸ εὐάρμοστον imply εὐλογία , Plato continues (400D) εὐλογία ἄρα καὶ εὐαπμοστία καὶ εὐσχημοσύνη καὶ εὐπυθμία εὐηθείᾳ ἀκολουθεῖ, οὐχ ἣν ἄνοιαν οὖσαν ὑροκοπιζόμενοι καλοῦμεν ὡς εὐήθειαν, ἀλλὰ τὴν ὡς ἀληθῶς εὖ τε καὶ καλῶς τὸ ἦθος κατεσκευασμένην διάνοιαν .

εἰς παιδοτρίβου : Protagoras passes to γυμναστική , the second great division of Greek education: Rep. II. 376E .

ὑπηρετῶσι τῇ διανοίᾳ . Plato asserts that the true object of γυμναστική is not to cultivate the body, but to educate the soul to the proper mean between hardness and softness: Rep. III. 410C ff. On the soul as the mistress of the body see Phaedo, ch. 43.

μάλιστα οἱ μάλιστα δυνάμενοι . The first μάλιστα is due to Heindorf: it is necessary to the meaning. Most of the editors insert the word μάλιστα not after ποιοῦσιν but after δυνάμενοι , explaining its loss by the presence of μάλιστα following: but it comes (we think) more naturally after ποιοῦσιν .

ἐκ διδασκάλων ἀπαλλαγῶσιν· ἐκis rejected by Cobet (cf. Gorg. 514C ἐπειδὴ τῶν διδασκάλων ἀπηλλάγημεν): but the phrase is just as stereotyped as εἰς διδασκάλων , to which (in l. 39) it forms an appropriate contrast—in neither of the two cases were the Greeks (in all probability) conscious in common parlance of an ellipse. Sauppe quotes a fragment of Ar. Banqueters, 42 οὐκ εὐθὺς ἀπεδίδρασκες ἐκ διδασκάλου ; Plutus, 84 ἐκ Πατροκλέους ἔρχομαι , and other parallels.

ἀναγκάζει μανθάνειν : hardly to be taken literally, but only in the sense that ignorance was no excuse for breaking the laws.

κατὰ τούτους ζῆν . After ζῆν occur in the MSS. the words κατὰ παράδειγμα . ‘Facile succurrat cuivis κατὰ τούτους ζῆν καθάπερ παράδειγμα —quamquam talia notanda potius quam statim corrigenda’ says Heindorf. Most recent editors bracket or reject the words, which are open to objection on several grounds, that the laws are not an example but a rule of life, and Plato does not use παράδειγμα precisely in this way, as well as from the harsh omission of ὡς . The suggestion of Sauppe that the words are a gloss on κατὰ τούτους by a scribe referring to the illustration which follows—‘as for example’— has much probability.

γραμματισται : see on γραμματιστοῦ , 312B

ὑπογράψαντες γραμμὰς τῇ γραφίδι should be understood of tracing (by dots or otherwise) the outlines of the lines ( γραμμαί ) which form letters. These outlines would be filled up by the pupil: see Blümner, Griechische Privataltherthümer, p. 315. The usual view (since Heindorf) has been to regard the γραμμαί as horizontal lines ruled for guidance; ‘ut pueri in schola directe s. ad lineam scribere iubentur, ita in vita quae agunt ad legis normam iis dirigenda sunt’ (Kroschel). Such a view is, however, inconsistent with the meaning of ὑπογράφειν and of ὑφήγησις , and (in view of Plato's statements as to the nature of Law) renders the simile inexact. ὑπογράφειν in Plato regularly refers to an outline drawing (as ὑποτυποῦσθαι to moulding in outline Tim. 76E ) and is opposed to ἀπεργάσασθαι and (in Aristotle) to ἀναγράφειν , e.g. Rep. VIII. 548C -D οὐκοῦν— αὕτη μὲν ἡ ρολιτεία οὕτω γεγονυῖα καὶ τοιαύτη ἄν τις εἴη, ὡς λόγῳ σχῆμα ρολιτείας ὑρογπάψαντα μὴ ἀκπιβῶς ἀρεπγάσασθαι διὰ τὸ ἐξαπκεῖν μὲν ἰδεῖν καὶ ἐκ τῆς ὑρογπαφῆς τόν τε δικαιότατον καὶ τὸν ἀδικώτατον , and Theaet. 172E , where a litigant's ἀντωμοσία is called ὑπογραφή —a sort of outline drawing ὧν ἐκτὸς οὐ ῥητέον , but which his speech must simply ἀπεργάσασθαι. ὑφηγεῖσθαι is similarly used, only with the added idea of guiding: e.g. Rep. III. 403D-E οὐκοῦν εἰ τὴν διάνοιαν ἱκανῶς θεραπεύσαντες παραδοῖμεν αὐτῇ τὰ περὶ τὸ σῶμα ἀκριβολογεῖσθαι, ἡμεῖς δὲ ὅσον τοὺς τύπους ὑφηγησαίμεθα—ὀρθῶς ἃν ποιοῖμεν ; and Laws, X. 890C δεῖ ταῦτα οὕτω πράττειν διανοουμένους ὅπῃπερ ἂν ὁ νομοθέτης ὑφηγήσηται γράφων. The point of the simile is this. As the child draws his pen between the outlines of the lines forming letters (making e.g. into ), so we must keep our actions between certain outlines, which are the laws. Plato invariably regards νόμοι as only τύποι , within which our actions should fall: cf. Rep. II. 383C παντάπασιν—ἔγωγε τοὺς τύπους τούτους συγχωρῶ, καὶ ὡς νόμοις ἂν χρώ?μην(whence νόμους ὑπογράφειν here and in Laws, V. 734E ): see also Polit. 294A ff. τὸ δ’ ἄριστον οὐ τοὺς νόμους ἐστὶν ἰσχύειν, ἀλλ’ ἄνδπα τὸν μετὰ φπονήσεως βασιλικὸν—ὅτι νόμος οὐκ ἄν ροτε δύναιτο τό τε ἄπιστον καὶ τὸ δικαιότατον ἀκπιβῶς ρᾶσιν ἅμα ρεπιλαβὼν τὸ βέλτιστον ἐριτάττειν. αἱ γὰπ ἀνομοιότητες τῶν τε ἀνθπώρων καὶ τῶν ρπάξεων—οὐδὲν ἐῶσιν ἁρλοῦν ἐν οὐδενὶ ρεπὶ ἁράντων καὶ ἐρὶ ράντα τὸν χπόνον ἀποφαίνεσθαι τέχνην οὐδ’ ἡντινοῦν —for which reason in the Republic (VI. 497D) there must always be a power above the laws. The explanation which we have given does not disagree with the account of Seneca in his Epistles, XV. 2. 51 ‘Pueri ad praescriptum discunt. Digiti illorum tenentur et aliena manu per literarum simulacra ducuntur’: it is supported by Quintilian, I. 1. 27 ‘cum vero iam ductus sequi coeperit, non inutile erit eas (sc. literas) tabellae quam optime insculpi, ut per illos velut sulcos ducatur stilus’. It is probable that both these authors had the present passage in view.

ὣς δὲ καὶ. ὥςfor οὕτως is rare in Attic prose: Heindorf quotes ( inter alia ) Rep. VII. 530D κινδυνεύει ὡς πρὸς ἀστρονομίαν ὄμματα πέπηγεν, ὣς πρὸς ἐναρμόνιον φορὰν ὦτα παγῆναι. For δέ see above on 318C

εὐθῦναι regularly denotes the ‘putting straight’ or examination of a magistrate when his office expired. It is not clear whether Protagoras' philological zeal does not cause him to stretch a point in giving to the word a wider signification: but see on εὐθύνουσιν in 325D