Plato Protagoras 313

Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator)

Protagoras. Plato. Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1924.

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Commentary

Commentary on Plato, Protagoras (Plato. Platonis Protagoras. Adam, James; Adam, Adela Marion, editors. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1921.) focus

ἢ εἰ μὲν τὸ σῶμα κτλ. For ἤ cf. Crito, 50E ἢ πρὸς μὲν ἄπα σοι τὸν ρατέπα—ρπὸς δὲ τὴν ρατπίδα ἄπα καὶ τοὺς νόμους ἔσται σοι; and for the general form of the sentence Apol. 28E εἰ ὅτε μέν—τότε μέν—τοῦ δὲ θεοῦ τάττοντος—ἐνταῦθα δέ, Meno, 94C -D, Gorg. 512A : see the Editor's note on Apol. loc. cit.

πολλὰ ἂν περιεσκέψω : but ἔδει in l. 3 and παρεκάλεις in 6. The effect is to represent the process of reflection by oneself as prior to consultation with friends. Heindorf on Gorg. 514D quotes a parallel from the Theaetetus (144E): ἀτὰρ εἰ, νῷν ἐχόντοιν ἑκατέπου λύπαν, ἔφη αὐτὰς ἡπμόσθαι ὁμοίως, ρότεπον εὐθὺς ἂν ἐπιστεύομεν ἢ ἐπεσκεψάμεθα ἂν (i.e. should have inquired first ) εἰ μουσικὸς ὢν λέγοι ;

τὴν ψυχήν . Cf. (with Heindorf) Rep. IX. 583E ὃ μεταξὺ ἄπα νῦν δὴ ἀμφοτέπων ἔφαμεν εἶναι, τὴν ἡσυχίαν, τοῦτό ροτε ἀμφότερα ἔσται. ἐν ᾧpresently is like ἐν τούτῳ in 310D where see note: Heindorf cites Eur. Iph. T. 1057 καὶ τἄμ’ ἐν ὑμῖν ἐστιν ἢ καλῶς ἔχειν ἢ μηδὲν εἶναι . For καὶ ἐν ᾧ we should at first sight expect καὶ ἐν αὐτῷ : for the Greek idiom is relative+anaphoric pronoun, not relative+relative, when the two pronouns have the same antecedent and are connected by a conjunction: e.g. Gorg. 452D τί ἐστι τοῦτο ὃ φὴ|ς σὺ μέγιστον ἀγαθὸν εἶναι—καὶ σὲ δημιουργὸν εἶναι αὐτοῦ: see the Editor's note on Apol. 40A . Here, however, the fact that the relative precedes its antecedent ( ὃ δὲ περὶ πλείονος—περὶ δὲ τούτου ) makes the rule inoperative; and there are other exceptions, e.g. Rep. II. 374B καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἑνὶ ἑκάστῳ ὡσαύτως ἓν ἀρεδίδομεν, ρπὸς ὃ ρεφύκει ἕκαστος καὶ ἐφ’ ᾧ ἔμελλε τῶν ἄλλων σχολὴν ἄγων διὰ βίου αὐτὸ ἐπγαζόμενος—καλῶς ἀπεργάζεσθαι, and Theaet. 192B καὶ ὃ οἶδεν καὶ ὃ αἰσθάνεται(where, however, Bonitz rejects the second ὅ , perhaps rightly).

τῷ ἀφικομένῳ τούτῳ ξένῳ . Heindorf's suggestion τῷ ἀφικομένῳ τούτῳ τῷ ξένῳ would convey a somewhat different meaning, viz. ‘this arrival, the foreigner’. The presence of ἀφικομένῳ renders the article after τούτῳ unnecessary: cf. below, 337E τὸ ἀκριβὲς τοῦτο εἶδος . There is some contempt in τούτῳ = isti (see note on Apol. 45A ), and much scorn in τὴν σὴν ψυχήν , repeated slowly at the end of the clause.

ὄρθριος : the MSS. have ὄρθριον by mistake. The adjectival construction of this word is found in Laws, XII. 961B δεῖν δὲ ὄρθριον εἶναι τὸν σύλλογον .

γιγνώσκεις . The present is regularly used of being acquainted with a person, e.g. Phaedo, 60A Ξανθίππην, γιγνώσκεις γάρ; Theaet. 144C ἀλλὰ σκόπει εἰ γιγνώσκεις αὐτόν. γιγνώσκω. In Plato the perfect is generally used of knowing things : e.g. Apol. 23B ὅστις—ἔγνωκεν ὅτι κτλ., Euthyphr. 2C τοσοῦτον πρᾶγμα ἐγνωκέναι.

οὔτε διείλεξαι οὐδεπώποτε , sc. αὐτῷ : cf. on 313A l. 8 above.

ᾧ μέλλεις σαυτὸν ἐπιτρέπειν is wrongly rejected by Cobet. The words are to be taken closely with τὸν δὲ σοφιστὴν ὅ τί ποτ’ ἔστιν φαίνει ἀγνοῶν : that Hippocrates should entrust himself to that of which he knows nothing is the climax of Socrates' rebuke.

ἔοικεν : sc. εἶναι , i.e. be true (not ἐμὲ ἀγνοεῖν , which is doubtful Greek for ἔοικα ἀγνοεῖν ). The subject is simply ‘it’, as in Rep. I. 333C , where ἔοικεν is similarly for ἔοικεν εἶναι .

τυγχάνει ὢν—ψυχὴ τρέφεται. τυγχάνει ὤνis virtually equivalent to ‘really is’: cf. Gorg. 468D οἰόμενος ἄμεινον εἶναι αὐτῷ, τυγχάνει δὲ ὂν κάκιον, and note on Euthyphr. 4E . The ἔμπορος is a travelling merchant who trades on a larger scale than the retail dealer or κάπηλος : see Rep. II. 371D ἢ οὐ καπήλους καλοῦμεν τοὺς ρπὸς ὠνήν τε καὶ ρπᾶσιν διακονοῦντας ἱδπυμένους ἐν ἀγορᾷ, τοὺς δὲ πλανήτας ἐπὶ τὰς πόλεις ἐμπόρους ;The same account of the Sophist as ἔμπορός τις περὶ τὰ τῆς ψυχῆς μαθήματα ( Soph. 231E ) is given in Soph. 223C -224E.

φαίνεται γὰρ ἔμοιγε τοιοῦτός τις . We follow Schleiermacher in giving these words to Socrates. Turner judiciously points out that γε in ἔμοιγε is only appropriate if Socrates speaks the words, and that Hippocrates could hardly assent till he knew what τροφὴ ψυχῆς meant.

ὅπως γε μὴ—ἐπαινῶν ἃ πωλεῖ ἐξαπατήσει. πωλεῖνis ‘to have on sale’: ‘to sell’ is ἀποδίδοσθαι . Cobet, Novae Lectiones, p. 159. For ἐξαπατήσει the MSS. have ἐξαπατήσῃ , but the 1st aor. conj. is very doubtful in Plato after ὅπως μή (see on the whole question Kühner's Griechische Grammatik, II, 899), and final ‐ῃ and ‐ει are frequently confused in the MSS.

ὁ ἔμπορός τε καὶ κάπηλος. ἔμπορός τε καὶ κάπηλοςtogether make a plural, and according to strict logic would require a plural article; but ὁ is written by attraction instead of the grammatically impossible οἱ . Cf. Symp. 186C ὁ διαγιγνώσκων —τὸν καλόν τε καὶ αἰσχρὸν ἔρωτα; below, 355E τά ὀνόματα—τὸ ἡδύ τε καὶ ἀνιαρόν .

τυγχάνεις ἐπιστήμων. τυγχάνειςhas sunk to a mere copula. It is not necessary to insert ὤν after ἐπιστήμων , although it is only in a few cases that τυγχάνω (in this sense) occurs in Plato's MSS. without the participle expressed, viz. Phaedr. 263C μέγιστον τῶν ἀγαθῶν τυγχάνει ; Gorg. 502B εἰ δέ τι τυγχάνει ἀηδὲς καὶ ὠφέλιμον; Rep. II. 369B τυγχάνει ἡμῶν ἕκαστος οὐκ αὐτάρκης ἀλλὰ πολλῶν ἐνδεής; Alc. I, 129A ῥᾴδιον τυγχάνει τὸ γνῶναι ἑαυτόν ; ibid. 133A ἐκεῖνο ᾧ τοῦτο τυγχάνει ὅμοιον . In these cases (as here in the Protagoras ) it is easy to suppose that the participle has fallen out from ‘lipography’: but in Hipp. Maior (perhaps pseudo-Platonic), 300A and in Laws, XI. 918C , and Timaeus, 61C, the participle cannot be so easily supplied: and that the construction without the participle was used in everyday speech appears from Ar. Eccl. 1141 καὶ τῶν θεατῶν εἴ τις εὔνους τυγχάνει. See Rutherford's New Phrynichus, p. 342.

περὶ τοῖς φιλτάτοις. τὰ φίλταταis used here of the soul's health as in Gorg. 513A σὺν τοῖς φιλτάτοις ἡ αἵρεσις ἡμῖν ἔσται ταύτης τῆς δυνάμεως τῆς ἐν τῇ πόλει.