Plato, Alcibiades 2, Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator), 151

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Soc.

I tell you, he on his part is prodigiously anxious to help you.

Alc.

Then I think it best to defer the sacrifice also till the time comes.

Soc.

And you are quite right: for that is safer than running so serious a risk.

Alc.

But how say you, Socrates? Look now, I will crown you with this garland, as I consider you have given me such good advice; and to the gods 151b we shall offer both garlands and all the other customary things when I see that day has come. And come it will ere long, if they are willing.

Soc.

Well, I accept this gift; and anything else besides, that you may give me, I shall be only too happy to accept. ¹ And as Euripides has made Creon say when he sees Teiresias wearing his wreaths, and hears that he has obtained them, on account of his art, as first-fruits of the spoils of war:

As omen good I take thy victor’s wreaths;

For in the waves we labour, as you know,—

Eur. Phoen. 858-9 ² 151c so do I take this opinion of yours as a good omen. For I consider I am no less wave-tossed than Creon, and would like to come off victorious over your lovers.

Alcibiades 2. Plato. Walter Rangeley Maitland Lamb (Translator). Cambridge, MA. 1927.

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Ἀλκιβιάδης βʹ Perseus (Platonis Opera, Tomus II: Tetralogia III-IV. Burnet, John, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1910.) — 151 focus

[151] 151 151a

ΣΩ.

ἀλλὰ μὴν κἀκεῖνος θαυμαστὴν ὅσην περὶ σὲ προθυμίαν ἔχει.

ΑΛ.

εἰς τότε τοίνυν καὶ τὴν θυσίαν ἀναβάλλεσθαι κράτιστον εἶναί μοι δοκεῖ.

ΣΩ.

καὶ ὀρθῶς γέ σοι δοκεῖ· ἀσφαλέστερον γάρ ἐστιν ἢ παρακινδυνεύειν τοσοῦτον κίνδυνον.

ΑΛ.

ἀλλὰ πῶς, ὦ Σώκρατες; καὶ μὴν τουτονὶ τὸν στέφανον, ἐπειδή μοι δοκεῖς καλῶς συμβεβουλευκέναι, σοὶ 151b περιθήσω· τοῖς θεοῖς δὲ καὶ στεφάνους καὶ τἆλλα πάντα τὰ νομιζόμενα τότε δώσομεν, ὅταν ἐκείνην τὴν ἡμέραν ἐλθοῦσαν ἴδω. ἥξει δʼ οὐ διὰ μακροῦ τούτων θελόντων.

ΣΩ.

ἀλλὰ δέχομαι καὶ τοῦτο, καὶ ἄλλο δὲ ἄν τι τῶν παρὰ σοῦ δοθέντων ἡδέως ἴδοιμι δεξάμενον ἐμαυτόν. ὥσπερ δὲ καὶ ὁ Κρέων Εὐριπίδῃ πεποίηται τὸν Τειρεσίαν ἰδὼν ἔχοντα τὰ στέφη καὶ ἀκούσας ἀπὸ τῶν πολεμίων ἀπαρχὰς αὐτὸν εἰληφέναι διὰ τὴν τέχνην,

οἰωνὸν ἐθέμην, φησί, καλλίνικα σὰ στέφη·

ἐν γὰρ κλύδωνι κείμεθʼ, ὥσπερ οἶσθα σύ·

Eur. Phoen. 858-9 οὕτω δὲ κἀγὼ παρὰ σοῦ τὴν δόξαν ταύτην οἰωνὸν τίθεμαι. 151c δοκῶ δέ μοι οὐκ ἐν ἐλάττονι κλύδωνι τοῦ Κρέοντος εἶναι, καὶ βουλοίμην ἂν καλλίνικος γενέσθαι τῶν σῶν ἐραστῶν.

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Alcibiades 2

1. The Greek here is literally— I should gladly see myself to have accepted—which seems very unplatonic.

2. The blind prophet Teiresias has been crowned by the Athenians for the aid he has given them in a successful war. Eteocles, the young king of Thebes , has left the city in charge of his uncle Creon while he is fighting his brother Polynices for the possession of the throne.

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