Homer Iliad 11.696

ed. David B. Monro, ed. Thomas W. Allen

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ἐκ δʼ ὃ γέρων ἀγέλην τε βοῶν καὶ πῶϋ μέγʼ οἰῶν
εἵλετο κρινάμενος τριηκόσιʼ ἠδὲ νομῆας.
καὶ γὰρ τῷ χρεῖος μέγʼ ὀφείλετʼ ἐν Ἤλιδι δίῃ
τέσσαρες ἀθλοφόροι ἵπποι αὐτοῖσιν ὄχεσφιν
ἐλθόντες μετʼ ἄεθλα· περὶ τρίποδος γὰρ ἔμελλον
700
θεύσεσθαι· τοὺς δʼ αὖθι ἄναξ ἀνδρῶν Αὐγείας
κάσχεθε, τὸν δʼ ἐλατῆρʼ ἀφίει ἀκαχήμενον ἵππων.
τῶν ὃ γέρων ἐπέων κεχολωμένος ἠδὲ καὶ ἔργων
ἐξέλετʼ ἄσπετα πολλά· τὰ δʼ ἄλλʼ ἐς δῆμον ἔδωκε
δαιτρεύειν, μή τίς οἱ ἀτεμβόμενος κίοι ἴσης.
705
ἡμεῖς μὲν τὰ ἕκαστα διείπομεν, ἀμφί τε ἄστυ
ἕρδομεν ἱρὰ θεοῖς· οἳ δὲ τρίτῳ ἤματι πάντες
ἦλθον ὁμῶς αὐτοί τε πολεῖς καὶ μώνυχες ἵπποι
πανσυδίῃ· μετὰ δέ σφι Μολίονε θωρήσσοντο
παῖδʼ ἔτʼ ἐόντʼ, οὔ πω μάλα εἰδότε θούριδος ἀλκῆς.
710
ἔστι δέ τις Θρυόεσσα πόλις αἰπεῖα κολώνη
τηλοῦ ἐπʼ Ἀλφειῷ, νεάτη Πύλου ἠμαθόεντος·
τὴν ἀμφεστρατόωντο διαρραῖσαι μεμαῶτες.
ἀλλʼ ὅτε πᾶν πεδίον μετεκίαθον, ἄμμι δʼ Ἀθήνη
ἄγγελος ἦλθε θέουσʼ ἀπʼ Ὀλύμπου θωρήσσεσθαι
715
ἔννυχος, οὐδʼ ἀέκοντα Πύλον κάτα λαὸν ἄγειρεν
ἀλλὰ μάλʼ ἐσσυμένους πολεμίζειν. οὐδέ με Νηλεὺς
εἴα θωρήσσεσθαι, ἀπέκρυψεν δέ μοι ἵππους·
οὐ γάρ πώ τί μʼ ἔφη ἴδμεν πολεμήϊα ἔργα.
ἀλλὰ καὶ ὧς ἱππεῦσι μετέπρεπον ἡμετέροισι
720
καὶ πεζός περ ἐών, ἐπεὶ ὧς ἄγε νεῖκος Ἀθήνη.
ἔστι δέ τις ποταμὸς Μινυήϊος εἰς ἅλα βάλλων
ἐγγύθεν Ἀρήνης, ὅθι μείναμεν Ἠῶ δῖαν
ἱππῆες Πυλίων, τὰ δʼ ἐπέρρεον ἔθνεα πεζῶν.
ἔνθεν πανσυδίῃ σὺν τεύχεσι θωρηχθέντες
725
ἔνδιοι ἱκόμεσθʼ ἱερὸν ῥόον Ἀλφειοῖο.
ἔνθα Διὶ ῥέξαντες ὑπερμενεῖ ἱερὰ καλά,
ταῦρον δʼ Ἀλφειῷ, ταῦρον δὲ Ποσειδάωνι,
αὐτὰρ Ἀθηναίη γλαυκώπιδι βοῦν ἀγελαίην,
δόρπον ἔπειθʼ ἑλόμεσθα κατὰ στρατὸν ἐν τελέεσσι,
730
καὶ κατεκοιμήθημεν ἐν ἔντεσιν οἷσιν ἕκαστος
ἀμφὶ ῥοὰς ποταμοῖο. ἀτὰρ μεγάθυμοι Ἐπειοὶ
ἀμφέσταν δὴ ἄστυ διαρραῖσαι μεμαῶτες·
ἀλλά σφι προπάροιθε φάνη μέγα ἔργον Ἄρηος·
εὖτε γὰρ ἠέλιος φαέθων ὑπερέσχεθε γαίης,
735
συμφερόμεσθα μάχῃ Διί τʼ εὐχόμενοι καὶ Ἀθήνῃ.

Iliad. Homer. ed. David B. Monro, ed. Thomas W. Allen. Oxford. 1908-1920.

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Ἰλιάς (Greek) (Homer. Homeri Opera, Volumes 1-2. Monro, D. B. (David Binning), editor; Allen, Thomas W. (Thomas William), editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1908-1920.)

Translations (9)
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad, Volume 1-2. Murray, A. T. (Augustus Taber), translator. London: William Heinmann; New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1924-1925.) — 11.696 focus
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad of Homer, rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original. Butler, Samuel, 1835-1902, translator. London: Longmans, Green, and Co, 1898.) — 11.668 focus
English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020)) — 11.696 focus
My father chose [ krinein] a herd of cattle and a great flock of sheep—three hundred in all—and he took their shepherds with him, for there was a great debt due to him in Elis, to wit four horses, winners of prizes. They and their chariots with them had gone to the games and were to run for a tripod, [700] but King Augeas took them, and sent back their driver grieving for the loss of his horses. Neleus was angered by what he had both said and done, and took great value in return, but he divided the rest, that no man might have less than his full share.
English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870)) — 11.696 focus
The old man for himself reserved a herd
Of oxen, and a numerous flock of sheep, -
Three hundred, with their shepherds, - for to him
Large debts were due in Elis. He had sent
850
Four horses once, of peerless speed, with cars,
To win a tripod, the appointed prize.
Augeias, king of men, detained them there,
And sent the grieving charioteer away.
My father, angered at the monarch's words
855
And acts, took large amends, and gave the rest
To share among the people, that no one
Might leave the ground, defrauded of his right.
All this was justly done, and we performed
Due sacrifices to the gods, throughout
860
The city; - when the third day came, and brought
The Epeians all at once, in all their strength, -
Both men on foot and prancing steeds. With these
Came the Molions, fully armed, though young
And yet untrained to war. There is a town
865
Named Thryoëssa, on a lofty hill
Far off beside Alpheius, on the edge
Of sandy Pylos. They beleaguered this,
And sought to overthrow it. As they crossed
The plain, Minerva came, a messenger,
870
By night from Mount Olympus, bidding us
Put on our armor. Not unwillingly
The Pyleans mustered, but in eager haste
For battle. Yet did Neleus not consent
That I should arm myself, - he hid my steeds;
875
For still he deemed me inexpert in war.
Yet even then, although I fought on foot,
I won great honor even among the knights;
For so had Pallas favored me. A stream
Named Minyëius pours into the sea
880
Near to Arena, where the Pylean knights
Waited the coming of the holy morn,
While those who fought on foot came thronging in.
Thence, with our host complete, and all in arms,
We marched, and reached at noon the sacred stream
885
Alpheius, where to Jove Omnipotent
We offered chosen victims, and a bull
To the river-god, another to the god
Of ocean, and a heifer yet unbroke
To blue-eyed Pallas. Then we banqueted,
890
In bands, throughout the army, and lay down
In armor by the river-side to sleep.
Meantime the brave Epeians stood around
The city, resolute to lay it waste.
But first was to be done a mighty work
895
Of war; for as the glorious sun appeared
Above the earth we dashed against the foe,
Praying to Jove and Pallas.
English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857)) — 11.696 focus
'Oppress'd, we arm'd; and now, this conquest gain'd,
'My sire three hundred chosen sheep obtain'd.
835
'(That large reprisal he might justly claim,
'For prize defrauded, and insulted fame;
'When Elis' monarch at the public course
'Detain'd his chariot, and victorious horse.)
'The rest the people shar'd; myself survey'd
840
'The just partition, and due victims paid.
'Three days were past, when Elis rose to war,
'With many a courser, and with many a car;
'The sons of Actor at their army's head
'(Young as they were) the vengeful squadrons led.
845
'High on a rock fair Thryoëssa stands,
'Our utmost frontier on the Pylian lands;
'Not far the streams of fam'd Alphæus flow;
'The stream they pass'd, and pitch'd their tents below;
'Pallas, descending in the shades of night,
850
'Alarms the Pylians, and commands the fight.
'Each burns for fame, and swells with martial pride;
'Myself the foremost; but my sire denied;
'Fear'd for my youth, expos'd to stern alarms,
'And stopp'd my chariot, and detain'd my arms.
855
'My sire denied in vain: on foot I fled
'Amidst our chariots: for the goddess led.
English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843)) — 11.696 focus
English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857)) — 11.696 focus
English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey)) — 11.696 focus
English (F. W. Newman, 1856) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (F. W. Newman, 1856)) — 11 focus

New Alexandria Commentaries

Douglas Frame

Nestor’s story in this passage in the Iliad as his myth

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citation of Nestor’s traditional story

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analysis of the expansion in Nestor’s story, which relates to the Olympic celebration of 420 BC

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comment on the weakness in the line as triēkosia has no noun to modify

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Lorimer on the dating of the four-horse chariot [MRBTP: 'ff']

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reference to the tradition of the Epeian king, Augeías

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analysis of the expansion in Nestor’s story, which relates to the Olympic celebration of 420 BC, with tōn in this verse as a sign that the story of Neleus’s chariot is not integral to the older version of the story

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analysis of the expansion in Nestor’s story, which relates to the Olympic celebration of 420 BC

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passages in Nestor’s story that Cantieni argued are later expansions

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analysis of the battle and the role of horses in Nestor’s myth (Nestor’s earning his epithet hippota)

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citation of Nestor’s traditional story

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analysis of the battle and the role of horses in Nestor’s myth (Nestor’s earning his epithet hippota)

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analysis of the chronological order of Nestor’s stories in Iliad 7, 11, and 23

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comparison of the openings of the expansions in Nestor’s story with other Homeric verses (the similarity of the expansions to Homeric formulas)

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comparison of the geography in I.02.592 with that in this verse (esp. regarding Thryoessa and Thryon in the two passages)

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disagreement with Kiechle regarding the location of Pylos (with regard to tēlou in this verse)

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locations/geography in Nestor’s story (expansion)

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Cantieni’s argument for dē having been changed to pan in this verse

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passages in Nestor’s story that Cantieni argued are later expansions

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analysis of the battle and the role of horses in Nestor’s myth (Nestor’s earning his epithet hippota)

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Nestor’s becoming a warrior in his myth and the difference between the cattle raid and the battle

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Cantieni’s take on what the interpolation in Nestor’s story was and his restoration of the older form of the story

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comparison of the openings of the expansions in Nestor’s story with other Homeric verses (the similarity of the expansions to Homeric formulas)

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Cantieni’s take on what the interpolation in Nestor’s story was and his restoration of the older form of the story

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locations/geography in Nestor’s story (expansion)

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the location of Alpheios, the use of endioi in the expansion of Nestor’s story, and the latter’s significance for Alcibiades and Endios

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Cantieni’s take on what the interpolation in Nestor’s story was and his restoration of the older form of the story

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Cantieni’s take on what the interpolation in Nestor’s story was and his restoration of the older form of the story

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Cantieni’s take on what the interpolation in Nestor’s story was and his restoration of the older form of the story, and his omission of the two final lines of the second passage (I.11.735-736)

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Gregory Nagy

Rhapsody 11 marks the point in the Iliad where Patroklos is drawn into a fatal pattern of impersonating Achilles. Pivotal is the story that Patroklos hears from the old hero Nestor. My comments here on Iliad 11 work around Nestor’s story at I.11.670–803 as analyzed in the book Hippota Nestor by Douglas Frame, 2009:105–130.

draft js image errorNestor and his sons sacrifice to Poseidon. Attic red-figure calyx-krater, ca. 400–380 BCE. © Marie-Lan Nguyen / Wikimedia Commons, via Wikimedia Commons.

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In the course of this lengthy narrative, I.11.671-761, the idea of a ‘gate’ of the Sun is linked with Nestor’s Pylos and with the underworldly Pylos of I.05.397. See also the comment at I.05.395–404.

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example of vestigial traces of -˘˘-˘˘-˘/--˘˘-˘˘-- (where / means that the ˘ before it and the - after it should be on top of each other, meaning that syllable could be either long or short)

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Homeric references to four-horse chariot teams are rare, indicative of Athenian agenda. See the comments on I.05.263–273 and I.08.185.

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At later points, at O.12.132 and at O.23.246, the links that connect phaethōn ‘shining’ as epithet of Helios with the names Phaethōn and Phaethousa will be examined.

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Leonard Muellner

switch from Dii patri to Dii t’alloisin te theoisin attested with a variation of the || (short OR two shorts) euxamenos Dii patri # formula which uses epeukhesthai instead of eukhesthai and transformation of the formula with present tense of eukhesthai in I.08.526, in the context of analyzing Allen’s text at I.08.526 vs. Zenodotus’s version of the verse

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in a list of examples of eukhesthai + dative (formulas which report prayers)

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analysis of the formulas with the three places where eukhesthai + dative has the shape eukh ˘ ˘ – [=short short long], as in this verse

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Richard Martin

Nestor's recollection of his initiatory raid on Elis (11.677-83, 696-705) provides the clearest example of the "raiding boast" genre in the Iliad, against which Achilles' speech in Book 9 can be measured. The raiding boast genre features several topics: who took what from whom; what were the precise gains; what division of spoils was made later. Nestor recounts the circumstances of his people's raid, justifying it by citing the abuses suffered by the Pylians (hēmeas hubrizontes, 11.695); his father took part of the spoils from the raid to recompense himself (heileto, exelet', 697, 704) and gave out the rest for equal distribution (705-6). Achilles mentions all these details, but in his view a raid has been carried out against himself: Agamemnon has taken advantage (ephubrizōn, 9.368), like the men of Elis he has selected certain things (9.335-36) and distributed the rest unequally (9.333-34). In sum, Achilles uses the conventions normal for speaking about one's relations with outsiders when he talks about his own commander. A familiar speech genre is redeployed for new effect, and Achilles appears as a skillful manipulator of the conventional, a rhetorician (Martin 1993:172-73).

For the broader analysis of Achilles' speech, see the comment on Iliad 9.307-429.

References

Martin, R. P. 1993. The Language of Heroes: Speech and Performance in the Iliad. Ithaca.

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