Homer Iliad 23.473

A. T. Murray (Translator)

Iliad. Homer. A. T. Murray (Translator). London. 1924-1925.

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Iliad (English) (Homer. The Iliad, Volume 1-2. Murray, A. T. (Augustus Taber), translator. London: William Heinmann; New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1924-1925.)

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Ἰλιάς Perseus (Homer. Homeri Opera, Volumes 1-2. Monro, D. B. (David Binning), editor; Allen, Thomas W. (Thomas William), editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1908-1920.) — 23.473 focus
Translations (8)
Iliad Perseus (Homer. The Iliad of Homer, rendered into English prose for the use of those who cannot read the original. Butler, Samuel, 1835-1902, translator. London: Longmans, Green, and Co, 1898.) — 23.500 focus
English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Butler, rev. Nagy et al., 2020)) — 23.473 focus
Swift Ajax, the son of Oïleus, took him up rudely and said, “Idomeneus, why should you be in such a hurry to tell us all about it, [475] when the mares are still so far out upon the plain? You are none of the youngest, nor your eyes none of the sharpest, but you are always laying down the law. You have no right to do so, for there are better men here than you are. [480] Eumelos’ horses are in front now, as they always have been, and he is on the chariot holding the reins.”
English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cullen Bryant, 1870)) — 23.473 focus
English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Alexander Pope, 1720, ed. Watson, 1857)) — 23.473 focus
‘Old man!’ (Oïleus rashly thus replies,)
‘Thy tongue too hastily confers the prize.
‘Of those who view the course, not sharpest ey'd,
‘Nor youngest, yet the readiest to decide.
‘Eumelus' steeds high-bounding in the chase,
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‘Still, as at first, unrivall'd lead the race;
‘I well discern him, as he shakes the rein,
‘And hear his shouts victorious o'er the plain.’
English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (Thomas Hobbes, 1667, ed. Molesworth 1843)) — 23.473 focus
English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (George Chapman, 1611, ed. Hooper 1857)) — 23.473 focus
English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (William Cowper, 1791, ed. Southey)) — 23.473 focus
English (F. W. Newman, 1856) (OCR draft) Experimental (English (F. W. Newman, 1856)) — 23 focus

New Alexandria Commentaries

Douglas Frame

analysis of the motivation of Nestor’s speech of advice to Antilochus – evoking Nestor’s own earlier race (the turning post, on which Nestor spends so much time, is ignored in the description of the race)

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analysis of Eumelos’ virtual race (as surmised by Idomeneus) and comparison with Nestor’s race in his youth

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analysis of the symbolism of the whip and the yoke in Diomedes’ race

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analysis of the symbolism of the whip and the yoke in Diomedes’ race

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Gregory Nagy

The funeral that Achilles arranges here for Patroklos in the Iliad is in some ways a preview of the funeral that the Achaeans will arrange for Achilles himself beyond the time-frame of the Iliad. A high point of the funeral in Iliad 23 is a spectacular chariot race arranged by Achilles to honor his dead comrade Patroklos. But an earlier high point is a comparably spectacular cremation of his friend’s body. But this cremation of Patroklos, as a ritual, is far from perfect: it is in fact polluted, and the pollution will make Achilles look bad, at least for the moment. The polluted thoughts of the hero, as evidenced by his dragging the corpse of Hector behind his speeding chariot, will drive him to extremes that will challenge the cosmic order. But the Master Narrator of the Iliad will remedy the pollution, and the remedy will take the form of actually narrating the grim story. In the process of this narration, a great lesson will be learned about life, death, and a hoped-for recovery of life.

draft js image errorAchilles dragging the body of Hector. Copperplate etching (1795) by Tommaso Piroli, after a drawing (1793) by John Flaxman. Image via Wikimedia Commons.

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one of the two attestations of histor in the Iliad or the Odyssey

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Richard Martin

The dispute between Ajax and Idomeneus at the Funeral Games (23.457-98) illustrates several features of the flyting genre in sequence. Idomeneus' muthos is an attempt to gain authority by the suggestion that he alone has the ability to discern the race results before it is over (23.457-72), and also gives him an opportunity to single out Diomedes for praise (23.471-73). Ajax recognizes the move for what it is and criticizes the older hero's style: "Why are you blustering beforehand?" (labreueai, 23.474). Ajax then denigrates Idomeneus not only for the content of his speech but for his proficiency at this abased speech form itself: "You are always blustering with muthoi. You mustn't be a blustering speaker. There are better ones present" (23.479-80). Idomeneus springs on Ajax the same rhetorical trap seen elsewhere (Agamemnon at 4.399-400), implicitly conceding the honor of best flyting speaker to Ajax while suggesting that prowess in flyting is accompanied by incompetence at all else (23.483-84). Achilles interrupts the escalating flyting match with a command to focus attention on nikē rather than neikos (23.496), deflecting blame onto those who would use the genre: "Get angry at another, whoever would do such things" (23.494) (Martin 1993:75-76).

For the broader analysis of the flyting genre, see the comment on Iliad 4.336-421.

References

Martin, R. P. 1993. The Language of Heroes: Speech and Performance in the Iliad. Ithaca.

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