Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Theodor Braun (Translator), 8.43

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Auf die Nachricht von der Schlacht fuhren die Athener
von Samos mit allen Schiffen nach Sinne, ohne sich gegen
die Flotte bei Knidos zu wenden oder von ihr angegriffen zu
werden. In Syme erbeuteten sie das dort vorgefundene Schiffs
gerät, machten dann noch einen Angriff auf Loryma am Fest
lande und kehrten darauf nach Samos zurück. Die Schiffe
der Peloponnesier, die nunmehr alle bei Knidos vereinigt waren,
wurden, soweit nötig, dort wieder instand gesetzt. Die elf
Lakedämonier aber besprachen sich mit Tissaphernes, der sich
dort ebenfalls eingefunden hatte, sowohl über die bisherige
Kriegführung und die dabei ihrer Ansicht nach gemachten Fehler,
als auch darüber, wie man den Krieg im beiderseitigen Inter
esse von nun an werde führen müssen. Namentlich Lichas
unterzog das bisherige Verfahren einer scharfen Kritik und
erklärte, daß die beiden Verträge, sowohl der des Chalkideus
als der des Therimenes, sehr ungeschickt gefaßt seien. Es sei
doch unerhört, wenn der König die Herrschaft über alle Länder
beanspruchen dürfe, die er selbst oder seine Vorfahren früher
mal besessen; denn dann würden ja alle Inseln wieder unter
das persische Joch kommen, ja selbst Thessalien, die Lokrer und
ganz Griechenland bis Böotien, die Lakedämonier also den
Griechen nicht die Freiheit, sondern Perserherrschaft gebracht
haben. Er verlangte deshalb, man solle einen anderen, besseren
Vertrag schließen oder wenigstens den früheren als nicht vor
handen betrachten; an dem Unterhalt für die Truppen sei ihm
obendrein nichts gelegen. Tissaphernes aber nahm das sehr
übel und zog verstimmt und unverrichteter Dinge wieder ab.

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Theodor Braun (Translator). Leipzig. 1917.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.)

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 8.43.1 focus

[1] οἱ δὲ Ἀθηναῖοι ταῖς ἐκ τῆς Σάμου ναυσὶ πάσαις, ὡς ᾔσθοντο τὰ τῆς ναυμαχίας, πλεύσαντες ἐς τὴν Σύμην καὶ ἐπὶ μὲν τὸ ἐν τῇ Κνίδῳ ναυτικὸν οὐχ ὁρμήσαντες, οὐδ᾽ ἐκεῖνοι ἐπ’ ἐκείνους, λαβόντες δὲ τὰ ἐν τῇ Σύμῃ σκεύη τῶν νεῶν καὶ Λωρύμοις τοῖς ἐν τῇ ἠπείρῳ προσβαλόντες ἀπέπλευσαν ἐς τὴν Σάμον.

[2] ἅπασαι δ’ ἤδη οὖσαι ἅμα ἐν τῇ Κνίδῳ αἱ τῶν Πελοποννησίων νῆες ἐπεσκευάζοντό τε εἴ τι ἔδει καὶ πρὸς τὸν Τισσαφέρνην (παρεγένετο γάρ) λόγους ἐποιοῦντο οἱ ἕνδεκα ἄνδρες τῶν Λακεδαιμονίων περί τε τῶν ἤδη πεπραγμένων, εἴ τι μὴ ἤρεσκεν αὐτοῖς, καὶ περὶ τοῦ μέλλοντος πολέμου, ὅτῳ τρόπῳ ἄριστα καὶ ξυμφορώτατα ἀμφοτέροις πολεμήσεται.

[3] μάλιστα δὲ ὁ Λίχας ἐσκόπει τὰ ποιούμενα, καὶ τὰς σπονδὰς οὐδετέρας, οὔτε τὰς Χαλκιδέως οὔτε τὰς Θηριμένους, ἔφη καλῶς ξυγκεῖσθαι, ἀλλὰ δεινὸν εἶναι εἰ χώρας ὅσης βασιλεὺς καὶ οἱ πρόγονοι ἦρξαν πρότερον, ταύτης καὶ νῦν ἀξιώσει κρατεῖν· ἐνεῖναι γὰρ καὶ νήσους ἁπάσας πάλιν δουλεύειν καὶ Θεσσαλίαν καὶ Λοκροὺς καὶ τὰ μέχρι Βοιωτῶν, καὶ ἀντ’ ἐλευθερίας ἂν Μηδικὴν ἀρχὴν τοῖς Ἕλλησι τοὺς Λακεδαιμονίους περιθεῖναι.

[4] ἑτέρας οὖν ἐκέλευε βελτίους σπένδεσθαι, ἢ ταύταις γε οὐ χρήσεσθαι, οὐδὲ τῆς τροφῆς ἐπὶ τούτοις δεῖσθαι οὐδέν. ἀγανακτῶν δὲ ὁ μὲν Τισσαφέρνης ἀπεχώρησεν ἀπ’ αὐτῶν δι’ ὀργῆς καὶ ἄπρακτος,

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The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 8.43.1 focus

[1] The Athenians, when they understood what had passed in this battle, went from Samos with their whole navy to Syme. But neither went they out against the navy in Cnidus, nor the navy there against them. Whereupon they took up the furniture of their galleys at Syme, and assaulted Loryma, a town in the continent, and so returned to Samos. The whole navy of the Peloponnesians, being at Cnidus, was [now] in repairing and refurnishing with such things as it wanted;

[2] and withal those eleven Lacedaemonians conferred with Tissaphernes (for he also was present) touching such things as they disliked in the articles before agreed on, and concerning the war, how it might be carried for the future in the best and most advantageous manner for them both.

[3] But Lichas was he that considered the business more nearly, and said that neither the first league nor yet the later by Theramenes was made as it ought to have been; and that it would be a very hard condition that whatsoever territories the king and his ancestors possessed before he should possess the same now; for so he might bring again into subjection all the islands, and the sea, and the Locrians, and all as far as Boeotia; and the Lacedaemonians, instead of restoring the Grecians into liberty, should put them into subjection to the rule of the Medes.

[4] Therefore he required other and better articles to be drawn, and not to stand to these; as for pay, in the new articles they would require none. But Tissaphernes, chafing at this, went his way in choler, and nothing was done.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 8.43.1 focus

[1] As soon as the Athenians knew of the sea-fight they sailed with all the ships at Samos to Syme , and without attacking or being attacked by the fleet at Cnidus , took the ships' tackle left at Syme , and touching at Lorymi on the main land sailed back to Samos .

[2] Meanwhile the Peloponnesian ships being now all at Cnidus , underwent such repairs as were needed; while the eleven Lacedaemonian commissioners conferred with Tissaphernes, who had come to meet them, upon the points which did not satisfy them in the past transactions, and upon the best and mutually most advantageous manner of conducting the war in future.

[3] The severest critic of the present proceeding was Lichas, who said that neither of the treaties could stand, neither that of Chalcideus, nor that of Therimenes; it being monstrous that the king should at this date pretend to the possession of all country formerly ruled by himself or by his ancestors—a pretension which implicitly put back under the yoke all the islands, Thessaly , Locris , and everything as far as Boeotia , and made the Lacedaemonians give to the Hellenes instead of liberty a Median master.

[4] He therefore invited Tissaphernes to conclude another and a better treaty, as they certainly would not recognise those existing and did not want any of his pay upon such conditions. This offended Tissaphernes so much that he went away in a rage without settling anything.

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 8.43 focus

Die Athener nun in Samos, als sie von dem Seegefecht
Nachricht erhielten, fuhren mit sämmtlichen Schiffen gegen Syme
auS, machten aber keinen Angriff auf die Flotte in Knidos, wie auch
diese nicht auf sie, sondern nahmen nur das Schiffsgeräthe^) auf
Syme weg, machten einen Angriff auf Bryma am Festland und
segelten dann wieder nach Samos zurück.

Sämmtliche Peloponnesische Schiffe vor Knidos setzten sich jetzt
wieder in guten Stand, wo Ausbesserung nöthig geworden war, und
die Eilsmänner der Lakedämonier verhandelten unterdessen mit
TissapherneS, — denn dieser war angekommen — sowohl über das bereits
Geschehene, .falls ihnen etwas nicht gefiel, als auch über die weitere
Kriegführung, auf welche Weise nämlich dieselbe für beide Theile
auf's'Beste und Vortheilhafteste eingerichtet werden könnte. Vor
Allen war es Lichas, der das Geschehene scharf in's Auge faßte und ¹
auch erklärte, daß keiner der beiden Verträge, weder der des Chalki ²
deus, noch der des Theramenesj.aufweine.'ihrer Ehre entsprechende
Weise "abgefaßt sei; vielmehr sei es sehr bedenklich, wenn der König
den Anspruch erhebe, auch jetzt noch über, all das Land zu herrschen,
über welches er und. seine Vorfahren früher einmal geherrscht hätten.
Denn darin liege, daß auch sämmtliche Inseln und Thessalien und die
Lokrer und das Land bis zu den Böotern hin^) wiederum'der
Knechtschaft verfallen sollten,- und auf diese Weise würden die
Lakedämonier den Hellenen, anstatt der Freiheit,'die Medische Herrschaft
bringen. Er verlangte demnach, daß andere verbesserte Verträge
abgeschlossen, oder wenigstens die bestehenden außer Kraft gesetzt würden;
und auch eines Unterhaltes auf solche Bedingungen hin bedürften sie
durchaus nicht. Tissaphernes aber ward darüber unwillig und reiste
erzürnt ab, ohne daß es zu einer Vereinbarung gekommen wäre..

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 8.42 focus

XLII. Astyochos cingla donc aussitôt vers Symé, avant que le bruit de son arrivée fût répandu, pour tâcher de surprendre la flotte ennemie en pleine mer. Mais la sienne, contrariée par la pluie et la brume, s’égara dans les ténèbres; le désordre s’y mit; au point du jour elle était dispersée, et déjà l’aile gauche était en vue des Athéniens que le reste errait encore autour de l'ile. Charminos et les Athéniens s’élancent aussitôt à leur rencontre, sans même réunir leurs vingt bâtiments, dans la persuasion que cette flotte est celle de Caune qu’ils guettaient. Ils attaquent à l’instant, coulent trois vaisseaux, et en endommagent d’autres. L’affaire en était là et ils avaient l’avantage, lorsque la plus grande partie de la flotte apparut inopinément et les enveloppa de toutes parts. Ils prirent la fuite, et perdirent six vaisseaux. Le reste se réfugia à l’île de Teutlousse, et gagna de là Halicarnasse. Après ce succès les Peloponnésiens relâchèrent à Cnide, où ils furent rejoints par les vingt-sept vaisseaux de Caune; les deux flottes réunies firent voile pour Symé, y élevèrent un trophée et regagnèrent ensuite le port de Cnide.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 8.43 focus

A la nouvelle de ce combat naval, les Athéniens stationnés à Samos appareillèrent avec toutes leurs forces et firent voile vers Symé. Ils n’attaquèrent point la flotte qui était à Cnide et n’en furent pas attaqués ; mais ils prirent les gros bagages qu’elle avait déposés à Symé , touchèrent à Lorymes sur le continent et regagnèrent Samos.

Les vaisseaux péloponésiens rassemblés à Cnide reçurent les réparations dont ils avaient besoin. Tissapherne s’y trouvait aussi. Les onze commissaires de Lacédémone entamèrent avec lui des conférences sur les points qu’ils n’approuvaient pas dans les conventions déjà faites, de même que sur la meilleure direction à donner aux affaires militaires dans l’intérêt com-paun. Lichas était celui qui apportait à cet examen l’attention la plus scrupuleuse. Il soutint que les deux traités, celui de Chalcidéus aussi bien que celui de Théraménès, étaient défectueux. Selon lui, il était inadmissible que le roi se prétendît maître de tous les pays que lui ou ses ancêtres avaient jadis possédés : c’était dire en effet que toutes les îles, la Thessalie, la Locride et jusqu’à la Béotie rentreraient sous sa domination ¹,et que les Lacédémoniens, au lieu d’affranchir les Grecs, devraient leur imposer le joug des Mèdes. Lichas voulait donc un nouveau traité, fait sur de meilleures bases ; autrement le précédent serait nul et non avenu; il ajoutait qu’à ce prix on n'avait que faire des subsides, Tissapherne indigné se retira plein de colère et sans avoir rien conclu.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 8.43.1 focus

[1] When the Athenians heard about the sea-fight, they sailed to Syme with all the ships they had at Samos. They did not, however, make an attack upon the fleet at Cnidos, nor the Peloponnesians upon them, but took aboard the naval stores that were at Syme and, after touching at Lorymi on the mainland, sailed back to Samos.
All the Peloponnesian ships were now at Cnidos and were engaged in making the necessary repairs;

[2] and as Tissaphernes had arrived, the eleven Lacedaemonian advisers were holding conferences with him touching matters that had already been negotiated, if any point in the agreements was unsatisfactory to them, as well as concerning future hostilities, in what way the war might be waged best and most advantageously for both parties. And it was Lichas who examined most closely what was being done, saying that neither of the treaties, neither that of Chalcideus nor that of Therimenes, was wisely framed;

[3] nay, he said that it was monstrous that the King should even now claim authority over all the territory which he and his ancestors had formerly ruled—for that would mean that all the islands should again be in slavery, as well as Thessaly, Locri and everything as far as Boeotia—and that instead of bringing freedom the Lacedaemonians would place the Persian yoke upon the Hellenes. Accordingly he urged that another and better treaty be concluded;

[4] at any rate, the Lacedaemonians would not abide by this, nor did they want his support at all upon such terms. Tissaphernes was offended at this and went away from the conference in a rage without having settled anything.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 8.43.1 focus

[1] The Athenians, on hearing the particulars of the engagement, having sailed with all their ships from Samos to Syme, made no attack on the fleet at Cnidus, or that on them, but took their ¹ naval stores, which were at Syme, and after touching at Lorymi on the continent, sailed back to Samos. And now all the Peloponnesian ships at Cnidus were refitted, so far as they required it;

[2] and the eleven Lacedaemonian commissioners held a conference with Tissaphernes, (for he had come to meet them,) both respecting what had already been done, if there was aught that did not please them, and with reference to future hostilities, in what way they might be conducted most to the benefit and advantage of both parties.

[3] Lichas, more especially, kept an eye on the transactions, and said, that neither of the two treaties was properly drawn up, Neither that of Chalcideus, nor that of Theramenes, but it was a shameful thing that the king should even now claim to be master of all the country over which he and his ancestors had formerly had dominion. For in that was involved the re-subjugation of all the islands, with Thessaly, Locris, and as far as Boeotia; and so, instead of freedom, the Lacedaemonians would be putting the Median yoke on the Greeks. He told them therefore to conclude another and a better treaty, or at any rate they would not act according to this;

[4] nor did they want any of his supplies on these terms. But Tissaphernes, being offended at this, went away from them in a rage, and without settling any thing.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 8.43.1 focus

[1] Athenienses vero cum omnibus navibus, quae ad Samum stabant, postquam de navali proelio commisso nuncium acceperunt, in Symam iverunt, et quum nec ipsi classem, quae ad Cnidum stabat, invasissent, nec illi illos, sed navium armamenta, quae erani in Syma, sumpsissent, et Loryma, quae sunt in continente, oppugnas-sent, Samum redierunt.

[2] Quum autem jam universae Peloponnesiorum naves in Cnido essent, reficiebantur, si quid oportebat, et cum Tissapherne (aderat enim) undecim illi Lacedaemoniorum viri agebant et de rebus jam transactis, si quid iis non placeret, et de futuro bello, qua ratione optime et maxime ex utrorumque utilitate gerendum esset.

[3] Praecipue vero Lichas considerabat ea, quae fiebant, et neutrum foedus, neque a Chalcideo, neque a Therimene factum, bene habere dicebat, sed vero nimium esse, si, cuicumque provinciae rex ejusque majores prius imperassent, huic nunc etiam imperare vellet; ita enim licere etiam, ut iAsulae omnes et Thessalia et Locri et regiones usque ad Boeotorum fines pertinentes in servitutem rursus redirent, et Lacedaemonios pro libertate imperium Medorum Graeciae imponere.

[4] Alia igitur foedera meliora fieri jubebat, aut istis quidem ee non usurum, nec stipendium se his conditionibus requi- rere. Indignatus aulem Tissaphernes ab iis per iram et infecto negotio abscessit;

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 8.43 focus

E gli Ateniesi poiché seppero l' esito di quel combattimento navale, recaronsi a Sime con tutte le navi di Santo; e senza assalire la flotta di Cnido od esser da quella assaliti, presero gli attrezzi delle navi restate in Sime ; quindi dato l' assalto a Lorima in terraferma si ricondussero a Samo. Le navi peloponnesie che tutte erano già a Cnido si andavano raddobbando secondo che bisognava ; e gli undici consiglieri dei Lacedemoni tenevano parola con Tissaferne arrivato colà , intorno alle cose operate , se qualcuna nou attagliava loro , e intorno al modo onde potrebbesi guerreggiar meglio e più utilmente per entrambi. Rifletteva Lica principalmente alle operazioni presenti, e diceva i due concordati (senza escluder quello di Teramene) non essersi stipulati con dignità di Sparta ; essere anzi cosa strana che il re pretenda di signoreggiar tutte quelle terre le quali egli adesso ed i suoi maggiori prima signoreggiavano ; essendoché quest’ articolo porterebbe nuovamente al servaggio tutte le isole , e la Tessaglia ed i Locrii con gli altri luoghi fino a’ Beozii ; ed i Lacedemoni invece che in libertà metterebbero i Greci sotto il dominio de’ Medi. Però proponeva che altri patti migliori si stabilissero, od egli certamente non istarebbe a questi ; che a tali condizioni non avea bisogno de'suoi stipendii. Questi discorsi turbarono l’animo di Tissaferne che partì sdegnato senza effettuata cosa alcuna.

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 8.43

Theodor Braun (Translator)

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