Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Theodor Braun (Translator), 5.87

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Athener: „Wenn ihr euch hier in Vermutungen über die
Zukunft ergehen oder, statt die in diesem Augenblick zur Siche
rung eures Landes gebotenen Schritte zu erörtern, von anderen
Dingen reden wollt, so können wir nur aufhören. Wollt ihr
aber bei der Sache bleiben, so wollen wir fortfahren."

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Theodor Braun (Translator). Leipzig. 1917.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.)

Editions (1)

Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.87.1 focus

ΑΘ.

εἰ μὲν τοίνυν ὑπονοίας τῶν μελλόντων λογιούμενοι ἢ ἄλλο τι ξυνήκετε ἢ ἐκ τῶν παρόντων καὶ ὧν ὁρᾶτε περὶ σωτηρίας βουλεύσοντες τῇ πόλει, παυοίμεθ’ ἄν· εἰ δ’ ἐπὶ τοῦτο, λέγοιμεν ἄν.

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The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.87.1 focus

[1] Ath. Nay, if you be come together to reckon up suspicions of what may be, or to any other purpose than to take advice upon what is present and before your eyes, how to save your city from destruction, let us give over. But if this be the point, let us speak to it.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.87.1 focus

‘If you have met to reason about presentiments of the future, or for anything else than to consult for the safety of your state upon the facts that you see before you, we will give over; otherwise we will go on.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 5.87 focus

Athener: -j,Wenn:ihr,denn also hier zusammengekommen
seid, um argwöhnischen Vermuthungen'über das, was kommen kann,
nachzuhängen, oder wenn euch irgend ein anderer Zweck hieher
geführt hat als der: nach Maßgabe der wirklichen Verhältnisse, wie ihr
sie vor-Augen seht, übet die Erhaltung eures Staates zu berathen,
so können wir.gleich aufhören.^. Wollt ihr aber Nichts als dieses, .so
können wir weiter reden.". i s

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.87 focus

LXXXVII. L es A théniens. « Si vous êtes assemblés pour raisonner sur vos défiances de l’avenir; si vous n’avez pas pour but unique d’aviser au salut de votre ville, en partant du présent, de ce qui est sous vos yeux, nous n’insisterons pas; mais si telle est au contraire votre intention, nous parlerons.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.87 focus

Les Athéniens. Si vous êtes réunis pour calculer les chances d’un avenir incertain, au lieu d’aviser au salut immédiat de votre patrie, nous garderons le silence ; autrement nous parlerons.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.87.1 focus

[1] ATH. “Well, if you have met to argue from suspicions about what may happen in the future, or for any other purpose than to consult for the safety of your city in the light of what is present and before your eyes, we may as well stop; but if you have this end in view, we may speak on.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.87.1 focus

[1] Ath.

If now you have met to argue upon suspicions of the future, or to do any thing else but to ¹ consult for your country with a view to its preservation, according to what is present and before your eyes, we will stop; but if for this object, we will speak.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.87.1 focus

[1] Ath. Si igitur rerum futurarum suspiciones, aut aliquid aliud enumeraturi convenistis potius,quam pro statu rerum praesentium, et quas cernitis, de civitatis salute consultaturi, finem dicendi faciemus; sin ad hoc venistis loquemur. *

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.87 focus

Aten. « Se dunque siete venuti a consesso per iscandagliare i sospetti del futuro, o per tutt’altro che per deliberare della salvezza della patria nel modo che vogliono le presenti cose che avete sott’occhio , ci taceremo : se poi vi siete adunati per quest’ ultimo fine, parleremo ».

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.87

Theodor Braun (Translator)

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