Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Theodor Braun (Translator), 5.112

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Hierauf verließen die Athener die Sitzung. Die Metier
aber, jetzt unter sich, beschlossen in dem Sinne, wie sie sich
schon vorher ausgesprochen hatten, und gaben ihnen folgende
Antwort: „Wir stehen noch jetzt nickt anders wie vorher,
Athener, und können die Unabhängigkeit unseres seit sieben
hundert Jahren bestehenden Gemeinwesens nicht im Hand
umdrehen aufgeben, werden vielmehr im Vertrauen auf die
Gottheit, die uns bisher in Schutz genommen hat, und auf
menschliche Hilfe, namentlich von seiten der Lakedämonier,
unser Heil versuchen. Wir bieten euch Frieden und Freund
schaft an, wünschen aber im Kriege neutral zu bleiben und
fordern euch hiermit auf, nach Abschluß eines uns beiden an
nehmbaren Vertrags unser Land zu verlassen."

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Theodor Braun (Translator). Leipzig. 1917.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.)

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.112.1 focus

[1] καὶ οἱ μὲν Ἀθηναῖοι μετεχώρησαν ἐκ τῶν λόγων· οἱ δὲ Μήλιοι κατὰ σφᾶς αὐτοὺς γενόμενοι, ὡς ἔδοξεν αὐτοῖς παραπλήσια καὶ ἀντέλεγον, ἀπεκρίναντο τάδε.

[2] ‘οὔτε ἄλλα δοκεῖ ἡμῖν ἢ ἅπερ καὶ τὸ πρῶτον, ὦ Ἀθηναῖοι, οὔτ’ ἐν ὀλίγῳ χρόνῳ πόλεως ἑπτακόσια ἔτη ἤδη οἰκουμένης τὴν ἐλευθερίαν ἀφαιρησόμεθα, ἀλλὰ τῇ τε μέχρι τοῦδε σῳζούσῃ τύχῃ ἐκ τοῦ θείου αὐτὴν καὶ τῇ ἀπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ Λακεδαιμονίων τιμωρίᾳ πιστεύοντες πειρασόμεθα σῴζεσθαι.

[3] προκαλούμεθα δὲ ὑμᾶς φίλοι μὲν εἶναι, πολέμιοι δὲ μηδετέροις, καὶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς ἡμῶν ἀναχωρῆσαι σπονδὰς ποιησαμένους αἵτινες δοκοῦσιν ἐπιτήδειοι εἶναι ἀμφοτέροις.’

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The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.112.1 focus

[1] So the Athenians went aside from the conference; and the Melians, after they had decreed the very same things which before they had spoken, made answer unto them in this manner:

[2] Men of Athens, our resolution is no other than what you have heard before; nor will we, in a small portion of time, overthrow that liberty in which our city hath remained for the space of seven hundred years since it was first founded. But trusting to the fortune by which the gods have preserved it hitherto and unto the help of men, that is, of the Lacedaemonians, we will do our best to maintain the same.

[3] But this we offer: to be your friends, enemies to neither side, and you to depart out of our land, after agreement such as we shall both think fit.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.112.1 focus

The Athenians now withdrew from the conference; and the Melians, left to themselves, came to a decision corresponding with what they had maintained in the discussion, and answered,

‘Our resolution, Athenians, is the same as it was at first. We will not in a moment deprive of freedom a city that has been inhabited these seven hundred years; but we put our trust in the fortune by which the gods have preserved it until now, and in the help of men, that is, of the Lacedaemonians; and so we will try and save ourselves.

Meanwhile we invite you to allow us to be friends to you and foes to neither party, and to retire from our country after making such a treaty as shall seem fit to us both.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 5.112 focus

Hiemit brachen die Athener die Unterredung ab und
zogen sich zurück. Die Melier aber, nachdem sie unter sich einen
Beschluß gefaßt hatten, wie er mit ihren Entgegnungen
übereintsimmte,'gaben die folgende Antwort: „Weder sind wir jetzt anderer
Meinung geworden, ihr Athener, als Anfangs, noch werden wir in
so kurzer Frist unsern Staat, der schon sieben Jahrhunderte.besteht, ¹
seiner Freiheit berauben lassen, vielmehr werden wir den Versuch zu
unserer Rettung machen, vertrauend, wie auf das Glück, das von den
Göttern kommt und uns so lange erhalten hat, so auch aus die Hülse
der Menschen und besonders der Lakedämonier. Wir erbieten uns,
euch Freund werden zu wollen, .keinem Theil aber Feind, und ihr
sollt dann anS unserem Gebiet-abziehen, nachdem ihr einen Vertrag
mit uns geschlossen, der für beide Theile ersprießlich ist."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.112 focus

CXII. Les Athéniens quittèrent alors la conférence. Les Méliens, restés seuls, prirent une décision conforme au langage qu’ils avaient tenu, et firent cette réponse : « Athéniens, rien n’est changé à notre première résolution : nous ne nous laisserons pas ravir en un moment la liberté d’une ville que nous habitons déjà depuis sept cents ans; mais, confiants dans les dieux et dans les hommes, dans la fortune qui nous a conservés libres jusqu’à ce jour, et dans le secours des Lacédémoniens, nous essaierons de nous sauver. Nous vous demandons d’être vos amis et de garder la neutralité; nous vous invitons à sortir de notre territoire moyennant un traité qui concilie les intérêts des uns et des autres. »

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.112 focus

Là-dessus les Athéniens quittèrent rassemblée. Le Méliens, demeurés seuls, prirent une décision conforme am principes émis par eux dans la conférence et répondirent :

« Athéniens, notre manière de voir n’a pas changé. Il ne sera pas dit qu’une ville qui compte sept siècles d’existence¹ se soit laissé en quelques instants ravir sa liberté. Reins de confiance dans la protection divine qui nous a préservés jusqu’à ce jour, dans le secours des hommes et notamment des Lacédémoniens, nous essayerons de pourvoir à notre salut. Nous ne vous demandons qu’une chose : c’est de consentir à ce que nous soyons vos amis, tout en gardant la neutralité. Nous vous invitons à évacuer notre territoire, après avoir fait un traité aux conditions qui seront agréées par les déni partis. »

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.112.1 focus

[1] So the Athenians retired from the conference; and the Melians, after consulting together in private, finding themselves of much the same opinion as they had expressed before, answered as follows:

[2] “Men of Athens, our opinion is no other than it was at first, nor will we in a short moment rob of its liberty a city which has been inhabited already seven hundred years¹; but trusting to the fortune which by divine favour has preserved her hitherto, and to such help as men, even the Lacedaemonians, can give, we shall try to win our deliverance.

[3] But we propose to you that we be your friends, but enemies to neither combatant, and that you withdraw from our territory, after making such a truce as may seem suitable for both of us.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.112.1 focus

[1] So the Athenians retired from the conference; and the Melians, having been left to themselves, as they still thought pretty nearly the same as they had maintained in the discussion, gave the following answer:

[2]

We neither think differently from what we did at first, Athenians, nor will we in a short space of time rob of its liberty a city which has now been inhabited seven hundred years; but trusting to the fortune which, by the favour of heaven, has hitherto preserved it, and to the help of man, especially of the Lacedaemonians, we will endeavour to save ourselves.

[3]

But we propose to you that we should be your friends, and the enemies of neither party; and that you should retire from our country after making such a treaty as may appear suitable for both sides.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.112.1 focus

[1] Post haec Athenienses quidem ex colloquio discesserunt; Melii vero quum soli remansissent, postquam ipsis eadem, atque contra dixerant, visa sunt, haec responderunt.

[2] « Neque alia nobis quam initio videntur, Athenienses, neque brevi temporis spatio urbi, quae jam per septingentos annos habitatur, libertatem eripiemus, sed et fortuna, quae divinitus eam nuc usque conservavit, et auxiliis hominum Lacedaemoniorumque freti, nostram salutem tueri conabimur.

[3] Vos tamen provocamus, ut amici quidem simus, hostes vero neutris, utque foederibus initis, quae utrisque commoda videbuntur, ex agro nostro discedatis. »

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.112 focus

Quindi gli Ateniesi uscirono dal consesso, ei Melii rimasti soli tra loro persistettero presso appoco nella opinione manifestata colle repliche agli Ateniesi, e risposero così : « Ateniesi, il consiglio nostro non è niente diverso da quel di prima , nè vogliamo in picciol tempo torre la libertà a questa patria nostra abitata ornai da settecento anni. Anzi confidando nella fortuna che per favore divino la sostenne fino ad ora, e nel soccorso umano dei Lacedemoni, faremo ogni sforzo per salvarci. Nondimeno v’ invitiamo ad averci per amici, senza che siamo nemici d’alcuna parte ; e a ritirarvi dalla nostra terra fermando quell’accordo che più sembri opportuno per entrambi

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.112

Theodor Braun (Translator)

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