Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Theodor Braun (Translator), 5.101

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Athener: „Bei vernünftiger Überlegung keineswegs. Denn
es handelt sich für euch nicht darum, eure Tapferkeit zu be
weisen und einen Kampf mit gleichen Waffen ehrenvoll zu
bestehen, sondern um Sein und Nichtsein und um die Not
wendigkeit, euch einem ungleich Mächtigeren nicht zu wider
setzen."

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Theodor Braun (Translator). Leipzig. 1917.

Current edition First1KGreek

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.)

Editions (1)

Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 5.101.1 focus

ΑΘ.

οὔκ, ἤν γε σωφρόνως βουλεύησθε· οὐ γὰρ περὶ ἀνδραγαθίας ὁ ἀγὼν ἀπὸ τοῦ ἴσου ὑμῖν, μὴ αἰσχύνην ὀφλεῖν, περὶ δὲ σωτηρίας μᾶλλον ἡ βουλή, πρὸς τοὺς κρείσσονας πολλῷ μὴ ἀνθίστασθαι.

Translations (9)

The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 5.101.1 focus

[1] Ath. No, if you advise rightly. For you have not in hand a match of valour upon equal terms, wherein to forfeit your honour, but rather a consultation upon your safety that you resist not such as be so far your overmatches.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 5.101.1 focus

‘Not if you are well advised, the contest not being an equal one, with honor as the prize and shame as the penalty, but a question of self-preservation and of not resisting those who are far stronger than you are.’

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 5.101 focus

Athener: „Keineswegs, wenn.ihr eure Lage nur
vernünftig anseht; denn, es handelt sich hier, nicht um einen, Kampf,
durch. welchen ihr euch dem gleich tsarken Gegner gegenüber als tapfere
Männer zeigen müßtet, um nicht Schande einzuärnten, sondern.ihr'
habt.euch zu berathen, ob ihr euch dadurch retten wollt, daß ihr dem
weit Ueberlegenen keinen Widerstand leistet."

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 5.101 focus

CI L es A théniens, « Vous n’en ferez rien, si vous êtes sages : car il ne s’agit pas pour vous d’échapper à la honte en disputant le prix de la valeur, dans une lutte à forces égales; il s’agit bien plutôt d’aviser à votre salut, et de ne pas vous commettre avec des forces de beaucoup supérieures.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 5.101 focus

. Les Athéniens. Non, si vous délibérez sagement. Π ne s’agit pas ici de courage ni d’une lutte d’égal à égal, où vous ne pourriez succomber sans ignominie ; il s'agit d’aviser à votre conservation, sans vous hasarder contre des forces infiniment supérieures.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 5.101.1 focus

[1] ATH. “No, not if you take a sensible view of the matter; for with you it is not a contest on equal terms to determine a point of manly honour, so as to avoid incurring disgrace; rather the question before you is one of self-preservation—to avoid offering resistance to those who are far stronger than you.”

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 5.101.1 focus

[1] Ath.

No; not at least if you take a sensible view of the case. For you are not on equal terms contending for honour, to avoid incurring disgrace; but you are rather deliberating for your preservation, to avoid resisting those who are far stronger than yourselves.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 5.101.1 focus

[1] Ath. Non, siquidem sapienter consultetis; neque enim vobis ex aequo nobiscum est de virorum virtute certamen, ne in dedecus incurratis, sed potius de salute consultatio , ne multo polentioribus resistatis.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 5.101 focus

Aten. et No; se pur deliberate con senno: non si tratta per voi di combattimento a forze eguali in prova di valore per non ricevere scorno. Dovete anzi deliberare sulla vostra salvezza, per non opporvi a chi di gran luuga è più potente di voi ».

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5.101

Theodor Braun (Translator)

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