Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Theodor Braun (Translator), 1.87

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Nach diesen Worten ließ er, da er selbst Ephor war, in
der Versammlung der Lakedämonier abstimmen. Nach der Ab
stimmung, die bei ihnen nicht durch Marten, sondern mündlich
erfolgt, aber sagte er, er sei zweifelhaft, wofür die Mehrheit
gewesen sei, und um sie um so auffälliger Farbe bekennen zu
lassen und dadurch erst recht zum Kriege zu Hetzen, fügte er
hinzu: „Wer dafür stimmt, Lakedämonier, daß ein Friedens-
bruch vorliegt und die Athener die Schuldigen sind, trete auf
jene Seite," - indem er mit dem Finger dahin zeigte, - „wer
dagegen stimmt, hier auf die andere." Hierauf standen sie
alle auf und traten nach beiden Seiten auseinander, und eS
ergab sich, daß die, welche den Frieden für gebrochen erklärten,
die große Mehrheit bildeten. Darnach ließ man die Bundes
genossen wieder vortreten und eröffnete ihnen, man habe sich
dafür entschieden, daß die Athener im Unrecht seien, wolle
aber auch sämtlichen Bundesgenossen Gelegenheit geben, dar
über ebenfalls abzustimmen, um den Krieg gegebenenfalls in
allseitigem Einverständnis führen zu können. Nachdem die
Sache abgemacht, reisten die Bundesgenossen wieder ab, und
darauf, nachdem sie das Geschäft, welches sie hergeführt, er
ledigt hatten, auch die athenischen Gesandten. Diese Ent
scheidung der Versammlung, wodurch der Friede für gebrochen
erklärt wurde, erfolgte im vierzehnten Jahre des dreißig-''
jährigen Friedens, welcher nach dem Euböischen Kriege ge-j ^
schlossen war.

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Theodor Braun (Translator). Leipzig. 1917.

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Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs (German) (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.)

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 1.87.1 focus

[1] τοιαῦτα λέξας ἐπεψήφιζεν αὐτὸς ἔφορος ὢν ἐς τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τῶν Λακεδαιμονίων.

[2] ὁ δέ (κρίνουσι γὰρ βοῇ καὶ οὐ ψήφῳ) οὐκ ἔφη διαγιγνώσκειν τὴν βοὴν ὁποτέρα μείζων, ἀλλὰ βουλόμενος αὐτοὺς φανερῶς ἀποδεικνυμένους τὴν γνώμην ἐς τὸ πολεμεῖν μᾶλλον ὁρμῆσαι ἔλεξεν ‘ὅτῳ μὲν ὑμῶν, ὦ Λακεδαιμόνιοι, δοκοῦσι λελύσθαι αἱ σπονδαὶ καὶ οἱ Ἀθηναῖοι ἀδικεῖν, ἀναστήτω ἐς ἐκεῖνο τὸ χωρίον,’ δείξας τι χωρίον αὐτοῖς, ‘ὅτῳ δὲ μὴ δοκοῦσιν, ἐς τὰ ἐπὶ θάτερα.’ ἀναστάντες δὲ διέστησαν,

[3] καὶ πολλῷ πλείους ἐγένοντο οἷς ἐδόκουν αἱ σπονδαὶ λελύσθαι.

[4] προσκαλέσαντές τε τοὺς ξυμμάχους εἶπον ὅτι σφίσι μὲν δοκοῖεν ἀδικεῖν οἱ Ἀθηναῖοι, βούλεσθαι δὲ καὶ τοὺς πάντας ξυμμάχους παρακαλέσαντες ψῆφον ἐπαγαγεῖν, ὅπως κοινῇ βουλευσάμενοι τὸν πόλεμον ποιῶνται, ἢν δοκῇ.

[5] καὶ οἱ μὲν ἀπεχώρησαν ἐπ’ οἴκου διαπραξάμενοι ταῦτα, καὶ οἱ Ἀθηναίων πρέσβεις ὕστερον ἐφ’ ἅπερ ἦλθον χρηματίσαντες·

[6] ἡ δὲ διαγνώμη αὕτη τῆς ἐκκλησίας, τοῦ τὰς σπονδὰς λελύσθαι, ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ τετάρτῳ καὶ δεκάτῳ ἔτει τῶν τριακοντουτίδων σπονδῶν προκεχωρηκυιῶν, αἳ ἐγένοντο μετὰ τὰ Εὐβοϊκά.

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The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 1.87.1 focus

[1] Having thus spoken, being himself Ephor, he put it to the question in the assembly of the Lacedaemonians;

[2] and saying afterwards that he could not discern whether was the greater cry (for they used there to give their votes viva voce and not with balls) and desiring that it might be evident that their minds were inclined most to the war, he put it unto them again and said, to whomsoever of you it seemeth that the peace is broken and that the Athenians have done unjustly, let him arise and go yonder, and withal he showed them a certain place, and to whomsoever it seemeth otherwise, let him go to the other side.

[3] So they arose and the room was divided, wherein far the greater number were those that held the peace to be broken.

[4] Then calling in the confederates they told them that for their own parts their sentence was that the Athenians had done them wrong; but yet they desired to have all their confederates called together, and then to put it to the question again that if they would, the war might be decreed by common consent.

[5] This done, their confederates went home; and so did also afterwards the Athenians when they had dispatched the business they came about.

[6] This decree of the assembly that the peace was broken was made in the fourteenth year of those thirty years for which a peace had been formerly concluded after the actions past in Euboea.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 1.87.1 focus

[1] With these words he, as Ephor, himself put the question to the assembly of the Lacedaemonians.

[2] He said that he could not determine which was the loudest acclamation (their mode of decision is by acclamation not by voting); the fact being that he wished to make them declare their opinion openly and thus to increase their ardor for war. Accordingly he said, ‘All Lacedaemonians who are of opinion that the treaty has been broken, and that Athens is guilty, leave your seats and go there,’ pointing out a certain place; ‘all who are of the opposite opinion, there.’

[3] They accordingly stood up and divided; and those who held that the treaty had been broken were in a decided majority.

[4] Summoning the allies, they told them that their opinion was that Athens had been guilty of injustice, but that they wished to convoke all the allies and put it to the vote; in order that they might make war, if they decided to do so, on a common resolution.

[5] Having thus gained their point, the delegates returned home at once; the Athenian envoys a little later, when they had despatched the objects of their mission.

[6] This decision of the assembly judging that the treaty had been broken, was made in the fourteenth year of the thirty years' truce, which was entered into after the affair of Euboea .

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 1.87 focus

Nach diesen Worten ließ er, da er selbst Ephore war, die
Abstimmung in der Versammlung der Lakedämonier vornehmen, sagte
aber dann, weil-sie durch Zuruf die Entscheidung geben und nicht
durch Stimmzeichen ^): er könne nicht untershceiden, welcher Ruf
der stärkere sei, — und um sie durch recht augenfällige Darlegung ihrer
Meinung noch mehr für den Krieg zu reizen, rief er: Wer von euch,
ihr Lakedämonier, der Meinung ist, daß die Verträge gebrochen sind,
und die Athener Unrecht thun, der trete auf den Platz dort,—indem
er mit dem Finger daraus hinwies —, wer, aber der Meinung nicht
ist, der stelle sich hier auf die andere Seite. Es standen nun Alle auf
und traten nach den zwei Seiten aus einander, und die Zahl derer,
welche den Vertrag für gebrochen erachteten,.war viel größer. Dann
riefen sie die Bundesgenossen herzu und erklärten, daß ihnen die
Athener dünkten Unrecht zu thun, und sie wollten jetzt auch die
sämmtlichen Bundesgenossen zur Abstimmung einladen, damit sie, wenn es
sich so ergebe, den Krieg gemeinsam führten. Nachdem dies Geschäft
beendigt war, ging ein Jeder wieder in seine Heimat,, und auch die
Athenischen Gesandten kehrten nach Haus zurück, als die Aufträge
besorgt waren, wegen derer man sie geschickt hatte. Diese
Entscheidung der Versammlung, daß.der Friede, gebrochen sei, ereignete'sich
im vierzehnten Jahre des dreißigjährigen Waffenstillstandes, welcher ¹
nach dem Euböiichen Krieg geschlossen worden war '"). ²³

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.) — 1.87 focus

LXXXVII. Après ces paroles, il mit lui-même la question aux voix en sa qualité d’éphore : mais, comme à Lacédémone on vote par acclamation au lieu de déposer un suffrage, il déclara ne pas reconnaître dans quel sens était l’acclamation la plus forte ; il voulait que l’assemblée, en manifestant explicitement son opinion pour la guerre, fût par cela même plus irrévocablement engagée. « Que ceux d’entre vous, ditil, qui pensent que le traité est rompu et que les Athéniens nous ont manqué, passent de ce côté (et il indiquait la place) ; que ceux qui sont d’une opinion contraire passent du côté opposé. » On se leva, et, après partage, ceux qui jugeaient le traité rompu furent, de beaucoup, les plus nombreux. Les Lacédémoniens rappelèrent alors les alliés¹ et leur dirent qu’ils jugeaient les Athéniens coupables ; mais qu’ils voulaient convoquer tous les alliés à donner leur suffrage, afin de n’entreprendre la guerre que si elle était décidée dans une délibération générale. Cette affaire réglée, les alliés se retirèrent : les députés d’Athènes partirent après eux, lorsqu’ils eurent réglé l’affaire pour laquelle ils étaient venus. Ce vote, par lequel l’assemblée déclarait le traité rompu, eut lieu la qua- torzième année de la trêve de trente ans², conclue après les affaires d’Eubée.

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 1.87 focus

Il dit, et, en sa qualité d’éphore, il mit lui-même la question aux voix dans l’assemblée des Lacédémoniens. Or, comme ceux-ci votent par^ acclamation et non au scrutin, il prétendit ne pas discerner quel était le cri le plus fort; et voulant les exciter encore plus à la guerre en rendant le suffrage manifeste : « Que ceux de vous, dit-il, qui regardent la paix comme rompue et les Athéniens comme coupables, se lèvent et passent de ce côté; que ceux qui sont d’un avis contraire passent de l’autre. » Les Lacédémoniens se levèrent et se partagèrent; une majorité imposante déclara le traité rompu. En conséquence, ils rappelèrent les alliés, et leur dirent qu’ils donnaient tort aux Athéniens; mais qu’ils voulaient, avant de leur déclarer la guerre, réunir tous les alliés et leur soumettre la question, afin d’agir d’un commun accord. Là-dessus les alliés s’en retournèrent; les députés d’Athènes partirent plus tard, après s’être acquittés de leur mandat. Ce vote de l’assemblée, qui déclarait le traité rompu, eut lieu la quatorzième année de la paix de trente ans, conclue après la conquête de l'Eubée¹.

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 1.87.1 focus

[1] When Sthenelaidas had thus spoken, he himself, since he was an ephor, put the vote to the assembly of the Lacedaemonians.

[2] Now in their voting they usually decide by shout and not by ballot, but Sthenelaidas said that he could not distinguish which shout was the louder, and wishing to make the assembly more eager for war by a clear demonstration of their sentiment, he said: "Whoever of you, Lacedaemonians, thinks that the treaty has been broken and the Athenians are doing wrong, let him rise and go to yonder spot (pointing to a certain spot), and whoever thinks otherwise, to the other side." Then they rose and divided,

[3] and those who thought the treaty had been broken were found to be in a large majority.

[4] Then they called in the allies and told them that, in their opinion, the Athenians were doing wrong, but that they wished to summon the whole body of the allies¹ and put the vote to them, in order that they might all deliberate together and together undertake the war, if it should be so decided.

[5] And so the allies who were there went back home, having brought these matters to a settlement, and so did the Athenian envoys later, after they had finished the business on which they had come.

[6]
This decision of the assembly, that the treaty had been broken, was made in the fourteenth year² from the beginning of the thirty years' truce, which was made after the Euboean war.³

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 1.87.1 focus

[1] Having spoken to this effect he himself, as ephor, put the question to the assembly of the Lacedaemonians.

[2] As they decide by acclamation and not by vote, he said that he did not distinguish on which side the acclamation was greater; but wishing to instigate them the more to war ¹ by their openly expressing their views, he said,

Whoever of you, Lacedaemonians, thinks the treaty to have been broken, and the Athenians to have been guilty, let him ² rise and go yonder

(pointing out a certain place to them);

and whoever does not think so, let him go to the other side.

[3] They arose and divided, and there was a large majority who thought that the treaty had been broken.

[4] And having summoned the allies, they told them that their own opinion was that the Athenians were in the wrong; but that they wished to summon all the allies also, and to put it to the vote; that after general consultation they might declare war, if they thought fit.

[5] They then, after having settled this, returned home; as did the ambassadors of the Athenians afterwards, when they had despatched the business they had gone on.

[6] This decision of the assembly, that the treaty had been broken, was made in the fourteenth year of the continuance of the thirty years' truce, which had been concluded after the war with Euboea.

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 1.87.1 focus

[1] Haec locutus, quoniam ipse Ephorus erat, in Lacedaemoniorum concione sententias rogavit.

[2] Tunc autem (nam voce, non calculis suffragia (erunt) negavit se discernere, utra tox esset major; sed quia volebat ipsos sententiam aperte dicentes ad bellum movendum promptiores esse, dixit: « Cui vestrum, Lacedaemonii, foedera rupta esse, et Athenienses injuriam facere videntur, surgat, et in locum illum (quemdam locum ipsis ostendens) discedat; cui non videutur, in alterum. »

[3] Illi autem, quum surre-xissent, discessionem fecerunt, et longe plures fuere, quibus foedera rupta videbantur.

[4] Accitisque sociis, dixerunt, sibi quidem videri, Athenienses injuste agere, velle tamen et socios omnes ad suffragia ferenda accire, ut de communi consilio, si videretur, bellum facerent.

[5] Atque illi quidem, his confectis, domum abienint; et postea etiam Atheniensium legati, rebus transactis j quarum causa venerant.

[6] Hoc autem illius concionis decretum, foedera esse rupta, factum est anno ab initis tricennalibus foederibus decimo quarto, quae post res jn Euboea gestas inita erant.

Vier Staatsreden aus Thucydides First1KGreek (Thucydides. Vier Staatsreden aus Thucydides. Gürsching, Heinrich, translator. Augsburg: Wirth, 1856.) — 1.85.1 focus

[1] Diesen Grundsätzen, die wir von unsern Vätern überkommen und selber stets bewährt erfunden haben, lasst uns nicht ungetreu werden und nicht binnen weniger Stunden über so viel Menschenleben und Eigenthum, über Staatenglück und Ehre einen übereilten Beschluss fassen, sondern uns Zeit nehmen. Wir haben den Vortheil der Macht, um nichts zu versäumen. Nach Athen also sendet wegen Potidäas und wegen der Beschwerden der Bundesgenossen, besonders da sie eine gerichtliche Entscheidung nicht ablehnen. Wer diese anbietet, den hat man kein Recht als bereits Verurtheilten anzugreifen. Aber zugleich rüstet euch auch zum Kriege. Dies ist das Beste, was ihr beschliessen könnt, und wird bei dem Feind am meisten Eindruck machen.

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 1.87 focus

Detto ciò , egli stesso come Eforo ne propose il partito all9 adunanza dei Lacedemoni ; ed avvegnaché si desse il voto a voce e non col lapillo, disse non distinguere qual voce fosse maggiore: e volendo che col dichiarare scopertamente il loro voto fossero più animati per la guerra , ordino così : « Chi di voi, o Lacedemoni, crede rotti gli accordi e rei d’ oltraggio gli Ateniesi, si porti colà (additando il posto), altrimenti vada dall’altra parte », Alzaronsi, presero posto distintamente , ed assai più furono quelli che opinavano per la rottura degli accordi. Allora introdussero anche gli alleati, e dissero aver quanto a sé deciso , l’ingiustizia essere dal lato degli Ateniesi, ma che invitati tutti gli alleati , gradivano vi aggiugnessero essi pure il loro voto, perchè fosse comune la deliberazione di far guerra, se così loro piacesse. Ciò fatto i legati dei confederati tornarono a casa , e quindi quelli ancora degli Ateniesi, dopo trattati gli affari per i quali erano venuti. Questo decreto dell’ assemblea che dichiarava rotte le tregue fu fatto correndo l' anno quattordicesimo delle convenzioni stipulate dopo i fatti dell' Eubea.

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 1.87

Theodor Braun (Translator)

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