Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, Marie Charles Zévort (Translator), 6.19

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XIX. Ainsi parla Alcibiade. Entraînés par ce discours, émus par les prières des exilés d’Égeste et de Léontium, qui étaient venus à l’assemblée et suppliaient, au nom de la foi jurée, de ne par les laisser sans secours, les Athéniens embrassèrent l’expédition avec plus d’ardeur encore qu’auparavant. Nicias sentit bien qu’il ne les ébranlerait pas en revenant sur les mêmes raisonnements; mais il espérait encore, par l’immensité des préparatifs et la longue énumération qu’il en ferait, changer leurs dispositions. Il s’avança de nouveau et leur parla ainsi :

History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides. Marie Charles Zévort (Translator). Paris. 1852.

Current edition First1KGreek

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponèse (French) (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése, Vol. 1-2. Zévort, Marie Charles, translator. Paris: Charpentier, 1852.)

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Ἱστορίαι Perseus (Thucydides. Historiae, Vol 1-2. Jones, Henry Stuart, editor. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1910. (1942 printing).) — 6.19.1 focus

[1] τοιαῦτα μὲν ὁ Ἀλκιβιάδης εἶπεν· οἱ δ’ Ἀθηναῖοι ἀκούσαντες ἐκείνου τε καὶ τῶν Ἐγεσταίων καὶ Λεοντίνων φυγάδων, οἳ παρελθόντες ἐδέοντό τε καὶ τῶν ὁρκίων ὑπομιμνῄσκοντες ἱκέτευον βοηθῆσαι σφίσι, πολλῷ μᾶλλον ἢ πρότερον ὥρμηντο στρατεύειν.

[2] καὶ ὁ Νικίας γνοὺς ὅτι ἀπὸ μὲν τῶν αὐτῶν λόγων οὐκ ἂν ἔτι ἀποτρέψειε, παρασκευῆς δὲ πλήθει, εἰ πολλὴν ἐπιτάξειε, τάχ’ ἂν μεταστήσειεν αὐτούς, παρελθὼν αὐτοῖς αὖθις ἔλεγε τοιάδε.

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The History of the Grecian War Perseus (Thucydides. The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury. Hobbes, Thomas. translator. London: John Bohn, 1843.) — 6.19.1 focus

[1] Thus spake Alcibiades. The Athenians, when they had heard him, together with the Egestaeans and Leontine outlaws, who being then present entreated, and objecting to them their oath, begged their help in form of suppliants, were far more earnestly bent upon the journey than they were before.

[2] But Nicias, when he saw he could not alter their resolution with his oration, but thought he might perhaps put them from it by the greatness of the provision, if he should require it with the most, stood forth again and said in this manner.

History of the Peloponnesian War Perseus (Thucydides. History of the Peloponnesian War. Crawley, Richard, translator. London and Toronto: J. M. Dent and Sons Ltd.; New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1914.) — 6.19.1 focus

[1] Such were the words of Alcibiades. After hearing him and the Egestaeans and some Leontine exiles, who came forward reminding them of their oaths and imploring their assistance, the Athenians became more eager for the expedition than before.

[2] Nicias, perceiving that it would be now useless to try to deter them by the old line of argument, but thinking that he might perhaps alter their resolution by the extravagance of his estimates, came forward a second time and spoke as follows:—

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Wahrmund, Adolf, translator. Stuttgart: Krais and Hoffmann, 1864.) — 6.19 focus

So redete Alkibiades. Die Athener aber, nachdem sie
ihn gehört hatten und nach ihm die Egestaner und etliche Leontinische
Verbannte, welche bittend auftraten und mit Erinnerung an die
Eidschwüre für sich um Hülfe flehten, da drangen sie noch viel stärker auf
den Kriegszug, als vorher. Nikias nun sah wohl ein, daß er sie mit
seinen Gründen nicht mehr auf andere Ansichten bringen würde,
dachte aber, daß er sie durch großen Umfang der Kriegsrüstungen,
wenn er diese in hohem Maße von ihnen fordere, leicht anderes Sinnes
machen werde. So trat er denn zum zweiten Male auf und redete,
wie folgt:

Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs First1KGreek (Thucydides. Geschichte des Peloponnesischen Kriegs. Braun, Theodor, translator. Leipzig: Insel-Verlag, 1917.) — 6.19 focus

So Alkibiades. Die Athener wurden unter dem Eindruck
seiner Rede und der Bitten der Egester und der vertriebenen
Leontiner, welche nun auch auftraten und sie bei ihrem Eide
beschworen, ihnen zu Hilfe zu kommen, noch weit mehr als
schon vorher auf den Zug versessen. Nikias aber, welcher
einsah, daß er mit seinen früheren Gründen nichts mehr aus
richten würde, sie jedoch, wenn er ihnen die gewaltigen An
forderungen und Kosten einer solchen Unternehmung vorstellte,
vielleicht noch anderes SinneS zu machen hoffte, trat nun
nochmals auf und sagte:

Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése First1KGreek (Thucydides. Histoire de la Guerre du Péloponnése. Bétant, Élie-Ami, translator. Paris: Librairie de L. Hachette, 1863.) — 6.19 focus

Ainsi parla Alcibiade. Après lui, les Athéniens entendirent les Égestains et les exilés léontins, qui les supplièrent, au,nom de la foi jurée, de venir à leur secours. Aussi l’ardeur des Athéniens fut-elle visiblement accrue. Nicias, jugeant désormais impossible de les dissuader par la même argumentation, mais espérant encore les effrayer par la grandeur de l'armement qu’il réclamerait, prit une seconde fois la parole et dit:

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides, Vol. 1-4. Smith, Charles Foster, translator. London and Cambridge, MA: Heinemann and Harvard University Press, 1919-1923.) — 6.19.1 focus

[1] Thus Alcibiades spoke. After hearing him and the Egestaeans and some Leontine exiles, who coming forward, besought them and implored them for succour, reminding them of their oaths, the Athenians were far more eager for the expedition than before.

[2] And Nicias, seeing that he could no longer deter them with the same arguments, but thinking that by the magnitude of the armament, if he insisted upon a large one, he might possibly change their minds, came forward and spoke as follows:

History of the Peloponnesian War First1KGreek (Thucydides. The history of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1-2. Dale, Henry, translator. London: Heinemann and Henry G. Bohn, 1851-1852.) — 6.19.1 focus

[1] To this effect spoke Alcibiades. When the Athenians had heard him and the Segestans and some Leontine exiles, who, coming forward, begged and entreated them to assist them, reminding them of their oaths, they were much more eager for the expedition than before.

[2] So Nicias, perceiving that he could not now turn them from it by the same arguments as he had used before, but might perhaps change their purpose by the amount of armament, if he should command a numerous one to be prepared; he came forward again, and addressed them as follows:

Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci First1KGreek (Historia Belli Peloponnesiaci. Haase, Friedrich, translator. Paris: Firmin Didot, 1869.) — 6.19.1 focus

[1] Atque Alcibiades quidem naec dixit; Atheniensesvcn), quum audissent et illum et EgesUeos et Leontinos exsules, qui in medium progressi orabant, et foederis jusjurandum in memoriam revocantes supplices obsecrabant, ut opem sibi ferrent, longe majore, quam ante, studio ad hanc expeditionem suscipiendam ferebantur.

[2] Nicias vero quum animadvertisset, fore, ut non amplius iisdem rationibus revocaret, sed apparatus magnitudine, si magnum imperaret, fortasse ipsos de sententia deduceret, rursus progressus dicebat haec:

La storia di Tucidide First1KGreek (Thucydides. Della storia di Tucidide volgarizzata libri otto. Anonymous translator. Florence: Tipografia Galileiana, 1835.) — 6.19 focus

Con tanto calore parlò Alcibiade : e gli Ateniesi udito lui e le domande degli Egestei e de’fuorusciti Montini, che fattisi avanti rammentavano loro le giurate convenzioni ed imploravano soccorso, molto più di prima s’invogliarono della spedizione. Di che Nicia avvistosi che con quelle sue medesime ragioni non li potrebbe più distorre, ma che forse, se ordinasse molti apparecchi, la grandiosità di questi farehbe loro mutar pensiero , di nuovo presentatosi ad essi parlò così :

Commentary

Commentary on Thucydides: Book 6 (Thucydides, Book VI. Marchant, Edgar C., editor. London: Macmillan and Company, 1909.) focus

φυγάδων —this and the rel. clause belong to Αεοντίνων only.

ὁρκίων —see e. 6, 2.

σφίσι —being the indirect reflexivc, this refers to the subject of ἱκέτευον.

εἰ πολλὴν ἐ —this hope of N. was, as Freeman says, ‘not quite honest.’ It is strange that he did not resign.

αὐτοῖς αὖθις —with παρελθών.

Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 6.19

Marie Charles Zévort (Translator)

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