Titus Livius (Livy), Ab urbe condita, Benjamin Oliver Foster, Ph.D. (Editor), Frank Gardener Moore (Editor), Evan T. Sage, Ph.D. (Editor), Alfred C. Schlesinger, Ph.D. (Editor), 36.28.2

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[2] When the consul heard this he replied,

Consider again and again, Aetolians, whether you are submitting on these conditions.

Then Phaeneas displayed the decree in which this was explicitly stated in writing.¹

Ab urbe condita. Titus Livius (Livy). Benjamin Oliver Foster, Ph.D. (Editor), Frank Gardener Moore (Editor), Evan T. Sage, Ph.D. (Editor), Alfred C. Schlesinger, Ph.D. (Editor). Medford, MA. .

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Current edition Perseus

History of Rome (English) (Foster, Benjamin Oliver; Moore, Frank Gardener; Sage, Evan T.; Schlesinger, Alfred C., translators. Cambridge, Mass.; London: Harvard University Press; William Heinemann, Ltd., 1919-1959. (Loeb Classical Library))

Editions (3)

Ab urbe condita Perseus (Pars I-IV, Libri I-XL. Editio Stereotypica. Weissenborn, Wilhelm; Mueller, Moritz, editors. Leipzig: Teubner, 1884-1911.) — 36.28.2 focus

[2] id consul ubi audivit, “etiam atque etiam videte” inquit, “Aetoli, ut ita permittatis.” tur tum decretum Phaeneas, in quo id diserte scriptum erat, ostendit.

Ab urbe condita Perseus (Livy in Fourteen Volumes. Foster, Benjamin Oliver; Moore, Frank Gardener; Schlesinger, Alfred C., editors. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press; London: William Heinemann, Ltd., 1919-1959 (printing).) — 30.28.2 focus

[2] locum nimirum, non periculum mutatum; cuius tantae dimicationis vatem, qui nuper decessisset, Q. Fabium haud frustra canere solitum graviorem in sua terra futurum hostem Hannibalem quam in aliena fuisset.

Ab urbe condita libri, erklärt von M. Weissenborn Perseus (Weissenborn, W.; Müller, H. J., editors. Berlin: Weidmannsche Buchhandlung, 1873-1883.) — 36.28.2 focus

[2] id consul ubi audivit, “etiam atque etiam videte” inquit, “Aetoli, ut ita permittatis.” tum ¹ decretum Phaeneas, in quo id diserte scriptum erat, ostendit.

Translations (2)

History of Rome Perseus (Spillan, D.; Edmonds, Cyrus; McDevitte, William A., translators. London: Henry G. Bohn, 1849-1868. (Bohn's Classical Library)) — 36.28.2 focus

[2] The consul, on hearing this, said,

Aetolians, consider well whether you will yield on these terms:

and then Phaeneas produced the decree, in which the conditions were expressly mentioned.

History of Rome Perseus (Volumes 1-2. Roberts, Canon, Rev, translator. London, New York: J. M. Dent and Sons; E. P. Dutton and Co., 1912.) — 36.28.2 focus

[2] When the consul heard that he said, "Be quite sure that these are the terms on which you surrender." Phaeneas showed him the decree in which they were expressly stated.

Notes on the current edition

Ab Urbe Condita With An English Translation, books 1-10, 21-45, with periochae 11-20

1. There was then a mental reservation in the submission of the Aetolians which was consistent enough with Greek institutions: it bound the Romans to show them the consideration due to suppliants, but left the Aetolians free to break off the relations when an opportunity presented itself. One wonders how much of this Flaccus understood and accepted as part of the proposal. On the other hand, as Polybius (XX. ix) shows, the Aetolians did not understand that to the Romans in fidem se permittere meant complete and unconditional surrender. In consequence the two parties are at cross purposes in the following debate until the national definitions are made clear.

Titus Livius (Livy) Ab urbe condita 36.28.2

Benjamin Oliver Foster, Ph.D. (Editor), Frank Gardener Moore (Editor), Evan T. Sage, Ph.D. (Editor), Alfred C. Schlesinger, Ph.D. (Editor)

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