Aristotle Poetics 5.7

Thomas Twining (Translator)

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Epic Poetry agrees so far with Tragic, as it is an imitation of great characters and actions, by means of words: but in this it differs, that it makes use of only one kind of metre throughout; and that it is narrative.

Poetics. Aristotle. Thomas Twining (Translator). London, UK. 1789.

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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 5 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 5 focus
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and imitating things of importance by means of language; but it differs from it in only using simple verse and being narrative;
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 5.7 focus
The epopee, therefore, is an attendant on tragedy, [with the exception of the long metre 4,] since through this it is an imitation of worthy characters and actions. But it differs from tragedy in that it has a simple metre, and is a narration.
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L'Epopée a cela de commun avec la Tragedie, qu'elle eſt un diſcours en vers, & une imitation des actions des plus grands perſonnages.
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7. mvp-aristotle-comment-181

ἡ μὲν οὖν ἐποποιία κτέ. At this point, the evolution of the Drama having been sketched, Aristotle inserts a provisional note on the points of agreement and difference between Tragedy and epic poetry, which anticipates to a certain extent the longer statement in chaps. 23-24 . The two points of agreement had been already intimated, the first in 4, 1448 b 34 , and the second in 5, 1449 a 20 .

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-182

1449b10 μέχρι μὲν τοῦ ... εἶναι : 7, 1451 a 10
μέχρι τοῦ σύνδηλος εἶναι
. — Top. 8. 1, 155 b 7
μέχρι μὲν οὖν τοῦ εὑρεῖν τὸν τόπον ὁμοίως τοῦ φιλοσόφου καὶ τοῦ διαλεκτικοῦ ἡ σκέψις
. The construction συνακολουθεῖν μέχρι occurs in Phys. 1. 5, 188 b 26
μέχρι μὲν οὖν τούτου σχεδὸν συνηκολουθήκασι καὶ τῶν ἄλλων οἱ πλεῖστοι
—where also συνακολουθεῖν, just like ἀκολουθεῖν here, is the opposite of διαφέρειν ( 188 b 30 : comp. Bon. Ind. 26 a 23 ). In these and similar instances the preposition μέχρι is to be understood as inclusive of that which is mentioned as the limit (comp. Eucken, Sprachgebr. p. 17 ).
A difficulty has been found in ἠκολούθησεν (by Thurot and Spengel), on the ground that it would be more natural to speak of Tragedy following the Epic than of the Epic following Tragedy. This view assumes that ἀκολουθεῖν must mean to 'follow after' in order of time, whereas the word may very well mean 'go with' (comp. Rhet. 1. 6, 1362 b 29 ), i. e. 'agree with'. The aorist seems to imply that the fact has been already recognized. With the traditional reading μόνου (retained by Vahlen) the infinitive εἶναι which follows is out of construction.

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-183

1449b10 διὰ μέτρου μεγάλου For the preposition comp. 1, 1447 a 27
διὰ τῶν σχηματιζομένων ῥυθμῶν
. — 4, 1449 a 11
διὰ τριμέτρων
. — 4, 1449 a 16
διὰ τῶν μέτρων
. — 6, 1449 b 30
διὰ μέτρων
. As here used, μέτρον μέγα seems to mean a large kind of verse, one fitted for a large subject (comp. 4, 1449 a 6
μείζονα σχήματα
).
The hexameter is a metre of this description ( 24, 1460 a 3 ); and Aristotle may be presumed, I think, to have taken the same view of the tragic iambic as corresponding to the μέγεθος of the tragic stories, and the gravity of the tragic diction (comp. 4, 1449 a 19 ). Vahlen, retaining the manuscript reading μέχρι μόνου μέτρου μεγάλου, takes μέτρον μέγα to mean
spatium magnum sive fines ampli
; this, however, is hardly probable with τὸ μέτρον in the sense of 'metre' in the very next line (comp. Gomperz, Zu Aristoteles' Poetik 1 p. 25 ).
The following are some of the attempts at emending this passage: μέχρι μόνου μέτρου μετὰ λόγου (the Aldine, and corr. Parisinus 2038); μέχρι μὲν τοῦ μέτρῳ [μετὰ λόγου] (Tyrwhitt); μέχρι μόνου τοῦ διὰ λόγου ἐμμέτρου μεγάλου (Ueberweg); μέχρι μὲν τοῦ [μέτρου μεγάλου] (Christ).

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-184

μίμησις . . . σπουδαίων : as was said in 4, 1448 b 34.
σπουδαίων
is presumably neuter (comp. 4, 1448 b 34 , and the note on 3, 1448 a 19 ).

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-185

1449b11 τῷ δὲ τὸ μέτρον ἁπλοῦν ἔχειν scil. τὴν ἐποποιίαν. ἁπλοῦν is the opposite of ποικίλον (comp. Bon. Ind. 76 b 12 ) ; the contrast is between the one metre of the Epic (v. 24, 1459 b 32 ) and the variety of metres in Tragedy.

7. mvp-aristotle-comment-186

ταύτῃ In illustration of the construction Vahlen quotes 23, 1459 a 30
ταύτῃ θεσπέσιος ἂν φανείη τῷ μηδὲ τὸν πόλεμον ἐπιχειρῆσαι ποιεῖν ὅλον
. — Pol. 7. 15, 1334 a 41
οὐ ταύτῃ διαφέρουσι τῶν ἄλλων, τῷ μὴ νομίζειν
. — Plato Rep. 605 C
τῷ πρὸς ἕτερον τοιοῦτον ὁμιλεῖν ταύτῃ ὡμοίωται
.
1449b12

Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

15. mvp-aristotle-comment-131

5.7 15. L'Epopée a cela de commun avec la Tragedie.] 1

16. mvp-aristotle-comment-132

5.7 16. En ce qu'elle eſt un diſcours en vers.] 2

17. mvp-aristotle-comment-133

5.7 17. Et une imitation des actions des plus grands perſonnages.] 3

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42. mvp-aristotle-comment-42

NOTE 42.

5.7 P. 74. EPIC POETRY AGREES SO FAR WITH TRAGIC, &C.
Of the corruption of this passage I have no doubt. It has been proposed to eject the words,
μετα λογε
. My suspicion rather falls upon the word
μετρε
; which, as it adds nothing but embarrassment to the sense, (
λογο
, speech, or words, being a general term, and including metre, as in ch. i. ) I have omitted. It appears to me, likewise, that the only meaning, which can reasonably be given to the expression,
μεχρι ΜΟΝΟΥ μετρα
, is—as far as metre alone; i. e.
"without considering the other means of imitation, melody and rhythm."
And, accordingly, some commentators, by
μετρον ῾ΑΠΛΟΥΝ
, understand verse alone, without music. But had this been Aristotle's meaning, he would probably have used the appropriated and clear word,
$\psi u\lambda ov$
. The proper and obvious sense of
μετρον άπλεν
, is, a simple, or single, kind of metre. 1 This sense seems also supported by what he says of the metrical difference of the Epic and Tragic Poems, cap. xxiv. where melody and rhythm are not taken into the comparison, but the different kinds of metre only, and their being one, or many:—
ἐι γαρ τις ἐν ἀλλῳ τινι μετρῳ διηγηματικην μιμησιν ποιοιτο, ἐν ΠΟΛΛΟΙΣ, ἀπρεπες ἂν φαινοιτο.
And farther, that Aristotle did not mean to express by
μετρον άπλεν
, the exclusion of melody and rhythm, appears the more probable, because he sufficiently expresses this presently afterwards, when he says, that some of the parts of Tragedy were peculiar to it. Now these parts are no other than the decoration, (
oψις
), and the Melopæia, which included melody and rhythm.
On the whole, it seems not improbable, that the passage originally stood in some such way as this:
Ἡ μεν ἐν Εποποϊία τη Τραγω δια μέχρι μονα ΤΟΥ μετα λογε μιμησιΝ ἐἶναι σπεδαιων ἠκολεθησεν.

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4. mvp-aristotle-comment-35

Ritter, cap. 5 § 4

ἡ μὲν οὖν ἐποποιία τῇ τραγῳδίᾳ μίμη - σις εἶναι σπουδαίων ἠκολούθησεν: epopoeia iuxta tragoediam ita incessit aequo gradu ( ἠκολούθησεν) ut hominum gravium imitatio esse permaneret. utrumque poesis genus temporis intervallo plures mutationes ( μεταβολάς) subiit, sed ita alteri alterum simile esse accidit, ut utrumque graves imitaretur. quibus rebus discrepet epopoeia a tragoediacontinuo explicatur. sed quid fiet de illis μέχρι μόνου μέτρου μεγάλου ? scilicet differre a tragoedia epopociam nonnisi versibus longis 3) edocemur. falsissimum esse et pugnare cum ceteris Aristotelis verbis primo adspectu in oculos incurrit: ipse enim non unum quoddam sed tria continuo affert, quibus epopoeia diversa sit a tragoedia. ineptissimum sane emblema non usque ad hunc diem tolerassent editores, nisi pro omnium codicum scriptura μεγάλου novi interpolatores (aut Aldus ipse aut qui eius codicem correxerant) substituissent μετὰ λόγου, quod idem valere ac καὶ λόγου 4) videntur credidisse. sed et repugnat usus Graeci sermonis neque, si addiceret, vel sic sana sententia prodiret: sermone enim differre utrumque genus tam universe ac simpliciter pronuntiari nequit. sed sic ut μετὰ λόγου post μέρχι μόνου μέτρου additum legitur, id vix aliud potest esse nisi cum ratione, quod alienissimum est. inepto hoc additamento inepto auctori restituto, facilis est loci explanandi ratio. nam primum affertur qua in re tragoedia et epopoeia consentiant, deinde epopoeiam et metro differre et enarrandi ratione et temporis ambitu recte monetur. a narrando poesis τῷ μήκει, h. e. μέτρον ἁπλοῦν est quam compositionem κατὰ στίχον grammatici appellant. - καὶ ἀπαγγελίαν εἶναι : duae ἀπαγγελίας species c. 3, 1. definiuntur, una quae simpliciter narrat, altera quae inducit narrantes. epica διηγηματική vocatur c. 23, 1. teraporis spatio quo res gestae a poeta sive epico sive tragico propositae comprehenduntur. μάλιστα πειρᾶται: hoc dicit, quoniam plures tragicorum poetarum hanc legem egressos esse non ignorabat. - ἡ δὲ ἐποποιία ἀόρι- 3) Quaesitum est num voci μέχρι insit vis excludendi. non inest praepositioni potestas excludendi, sed inest nomini negativo μόνου. 4) Hermannus cum καὶ λόγου scriberet pro μετὰ λόγου, Graecitati sermonis opem tulit, sed non cogitavit se interpolare scripturam iam interpolatam. στος τῷ χρόνῳ: dicit temporis ambitum epopoeiae convenientem definiri certo dierum vel annorum numero non posse. noli credere hoc Aristotelem docere, poetae epico licere vel longissimi temporis res gestas enarrare: veriora enim ipse docuit c. 8 et praecipue c. 23.