Aristotle Poetics 24.5

Thomas Twining (Translator)

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With respect to length, a sufficient measure has already been assigned 1 . It should be such, as to admit of our comprehending at one view the beginning and the end: and this would be the case, if the Epic Poem were reduced from its antient length, so as not to exceed that of such a number of Tragedies, as are performed successively at one hearing 2 .

Poetics. Aristotle. Thomas Twining (Translator). London, UK. 1789.

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Poetics (Thomas Twining, 1789) (OCR draft) (English) (Thomas Twining's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1789 and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.)

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Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) (Aristotle, Poetics. Immanuel Bekker, editor, Aristotelis Opera, volume 2. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1837.) — 24 focus
Περὶ ποιητικῆς (OCR draft) Perseus (Aristotle, De arte poetica liber. Rudolf Kassel, editor. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1965. Reference edition for passage alignment.) — 24 focus
Poetics, Greek text (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's Greek text of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 24 focus
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Poetics (W. H. Fyfe) (OCR draft) Perseus (William Hamilton Fyfe's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, Loeb Classical Library, 1939 printing.) — 24 focus
Arabic Poetics (Badawī edition, 1953) (OCR draft) (The ancient Arabic translation of Aristotle's Poetics in ʿAbd al-Raḥmān Badawī's 1953 edition.) — 24 focus
Poetics (S. H. Butcher, 1911) (OCR draft) Experimental (S. H. Butcher's English translation from Aristotle's Theory of Poetry and Fine Art, fourth edition, 1911.) — 24 focus
Aristotle on the Art of Poetry (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) Experimental (Ingram Bywater's English translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1909.) — 24 focus
The Poetic of Aristotle (Henry James Pye, revised 1792) (OCR draft) Experimental (Henry James Pye's revised 1792 English translation, corrected against the 1788 first edition, aligned to the Kassel reference edition, and supplied with a selective apparatus of substantive 1788 readings.) — 24.5 focus
Its proper length has been mentioned already; there should be a possibility of comprehending the beginning and end in one view and this would be attained if they were a little shorter than the compositions of the earlier poets and reduced to the same length with the number of tragedies that are performed at one time. 1 2 3 4
The Poetic of Aristotle (Theodore Alois Buckley) (OCR draft) Experimental (Theodore Alois Buckley's English translation, first published in 1850 and represented from the Henry G. Bohn 1857 printing; corrected against a second OCR and aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 24.5 focus
But the proper boundary of its length has been before described ; for it should be such that the beginning and the end may be seen at one view. [And this will be effected if the compositions are shorter than those of the ancient poets, and brought to the same length with the multitude of tragedies that are recited at one hearing3.] 1 But it is the peculiarity of the epopee to possess abundantly the power of extending its magnitude ;
Poetica Latine conversa (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) Experimental (Franz Ritter's Latin translation, corrected against OCR of the represented copy and aligned to the conventional Perseus chapter-and-subchapter sequence.) — 24 focus
La poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) Experimental (André Dacier's French translation of Aristotle's Poetics, published in 1692.) — 24.5 focus
Il ſuffit qu'on puiſſe voir d'un coup d'œil ſon commencement & ſa fin, & on le fera ſans doute, ſi l'on dreſſe des plans plus courts que ceux des Anciens, & ſi l'on fait en ſorte que le recit d'un Poëme Epique n'occupe pas plus de temps que les repreſentations des differentes Tragedies qu'on joüe dans un ſeul jour.
Poetica d'Aristotile (Bernardo Segni, 1549) (OCR draft) Experimental (Bernardo Segni's 1549 Florentine Italian translation, aligned to the Kassel reference passage sequence.) — 24 focus
De poetica (Antonio Riccobono, 1587) (OCR draft) Experimental (Antonio Riccobono's Latin translation, first published in 1587; text represented from Immanuel Bekker's 1831 edition.) — 24 focus
De arte poetica liber (William of Moerbeke, ca. 1277) (OCR draft) Experimental (William of Moerbeke's medieval Latin translation, represented by the 1953 Aristoteles Latinus edition.) — 24 focus
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Notes on the current edition

Poetics

1. See the preceding Sect. and Part II. Sect. 4.
2. In the dramatic contests. See the NOTE. "Hearer," See Dissert. I. p. 42, 43.

Commentary

Commentary on the Poetics (Ingram Bywater, 1909) (OCR draft) (Ingram Bywater's English commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

1. mvp-aristotle-comment-888

1. mvp-aristotle-comment-889

7 ἔτι δὲ τὰ εἴδη κτέ. As a further point of resemblance Aristotle observes that epic poetry divides into the same species as Tragedy; and he illustrates this in b 14 by noting the difference between the Iliad and Odyssey. This statement about the four species is not quite consistent with that in 18, 1455b 32 (where see note); as there was no such thing as a 'spectacular' epic, Aristotle makes out the parallelism by recognizing the ἁπλῆ ἐποποιία as a distinct species of epic. The difficulty here is like that in τοσαῦτα γὰρ καὶ τὰ μέρη ἐλέχθη in 18, 1455b 32 (where see note); we have to admit that Aristotle has been carried away for the moment by his desire to find coincidences and correspondences.

1. mvp-aristotle-comment-890

b 8 δεῖ ἔχειν, 'must necessarily have', 'in the nature of things has', or 'involves'. ἔχειν stands in a certain antithesis to κέχρηται in b12 (comp. 6, 1450b13 ); epic poetry has in it these various possibilities; and they are all to be seen in actual use in Homer.

1. mvp-aristotle-comment-891

9 ἁπλῆν, scil. δεῖ εἶναι. δεῖ is easily supplied from what precedes, just as it is in 15, 1454b13 (where ποιεῖν = δεῖ ποιεῖν), and in Rhet. 3, 14, 1414b26 (where ἐκδοῦναι = δεῖ ἐκδοῦναι: comp. Bon. Ind. 146b50 ). The ellipse of εἶναι may perhaps seem more difficult to explain; it is, however, occasionally found in Aristotle not only after δεῖ (comp. 25, 1460b34 , and Bon. Ind. 239a46 ), but also in other constructions, as Vahlen shows in his note on this passage. A very strong instance of the omission of εἶναι is that in Eth. N. 7. 14, 1153b2
ἡ μὲν γὰρ ἁπλῶς κακόν, ἡ δὲ τῷ πῇ ἐμποδιστική
[ scil. εἶναι].

2. mvp-aristotle-comment-892

10 καὶ τὰ μέρη κτέ. This has been assumed from the first (see 5, 1449b16 ), and needs no demonstration. Aristotle, however, avails himself of the opportunity to add that a good epic, just as much as a tragedy, requires not only a story but also a powerful story, one with elements of surprise and suffering in it; and that the language and thought in it also demand the same care as in Tragedy. After this, reverting to the four μέρη indicated in b10, he reminds us that they are all to be found in perfection in Homer ( οἷς ἅπασιν Ὅμηρος κέχρηται, b12): (1) as regards the μύθος, the Iliad is a story of suffering ( παθητικόν), and the Odyssey a story of surprises ( πεπλεγμένον); (2) as regards the element of ἦθος, the Odyssey is full of character ( ἠθική); while as regards (3) the λέξις and (4) the διάνοια, Homer's two poems confessedly surpass everything of the kind in these matters.

2. mvp-aristotle-comment-893

b 10 καὶ γὰρ περιπετειῶν δεῖ καὶ ἀναγνωρίσεων, as is the case with the complex tragedy (comp. 10, 1452a16 ; 13, 1452b31 ).

2. mvp-aristotle-comment-894

b 11 ἔτι τὰς διανοίας καὶ τὴν λέξιν ἔχειν καλῶς. Aristotle adds as an afterthought ( ἔτι) that a good epic requires not only an effective story, but also effective language. In the speeches in an epic the same rhetorical art is wanted as in a play ( τὰς διανοίας ἔχειν καλῶς); and the diction, both in the speeches and elsewhere (comp. 24, 1460b3 ), demands the same care and elaboration ( την λέξιν ἔχειν καλῶς). It may perhaps be thought that Aristotle was logically bound to recognize the element of ἦθος also, so as to remind us in some way or other of the rules laid down in chap. 15 as equally applicable to the ἤθη in a good epic. To supply the supposed omission Bursian wished to restore in the text ἔτι (τὰ ἤθη καὶ) τὰς διανοίας καὶ τὴν λέξιν ἔχειν καλῶς. The difficulty arises from a misconception of the clause beginning καὶ γὰρ περιπετειῶν δεῖ καὶ ἀναγνωρίσεων καὶ παθημάτων, which is taken as a proof of the existence of the four μέρη in an epic—a point which hardly needed demonstration (see 5, 1449b16 ). The real purpose of the clause is to make us see the possibility of a πεπλεγμένη and a παθητικὴ ἐποποιία, as assumed in b9. A similar explanation of the ἠθικὴ ἐποποιία is not equally necessary (see on 18, 1455b34 ); and if it were, it would require a fuller statement than is supplied by Bursian's insertion.
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Remarques sur la poëtique d'Aristote (André Dacier, 1692) (OCR draft) (André Dacier's French commentary on Aristotle's Poetics.) focus

1. mvp-aristotle-comment-557

24.1 1. Ly a neceſſairement autant d'eſpeces d'Epopée, qu'il y a de fortes de Tragedie; car l'Epopée doit être ſimple, ou implexe; morale, ou pathetique.] 1

2. mvp-aristotle-comment-558

24.1 2. L'Epopée a auſſi les mêmes parties que la Tragedie, ſi on en excepte la Muſique & la Décoration.] 2

Commentarius in Aristotelis Poeticam (Franciscus Ritter, 1839) (OCR draft) (Ritter's Latin commentary, extracted from the 1839 volume, divided by Ritter's chapters and sections, and linked to the corresponding Perseus reference subsections.) focus

1. mvp-aristotle-comment-173

Ritter, cap. 24 § 1

Carminis epici formis et partibus breviter enumeratis, Homerum in utrisque praecellere docetur. a tragoedia differre epopoeiam et ambitu et versuum genere. porro propriae quaedam Homeri virtutes indicantur. ἔτι δὲ τὰ εἴδη - ἔχειν καλῶς: etiam quae hoc capite de epico carmine breviter et carptim monentur, ea cum non tam sua ipsorum causa dicta quam Homeri celebrandi gratia proposita sint, cumque haec ratio longe abhorreat ab ea quam Aristoteles in tragoedia explicanda secutus est (nempe illic poetas nihil curat, genus poesis unice amplectitur), genuinam Aristotelis commentationem ab interpolatore partim in epitomam contractam partim suis quibusdam observationibus dilatatam esse et hinc probabiliter coniici potest et alia indicia commonstrant. statim primum hoc disputationis segmentum fere totum ab auctore personato concinnatum esse tam mira explicandi brevitas quam sententiae ambiguitas argumento est. sed uncis tamen totum segmentum (§. 1) includere nolui, cum technicus non tam sua inculcasse quam Aristotelia male concinnasse videatur. ἢ γὰρ ἁπλῆν ἢ πεπλεγμένην ἢ ἠθικὴν ἢ παθητικήν: haec codices offerunt qui inspecti sunt et explorati omnes, et hisce ex puris fontibus restitutis, iam facile interpolator et sedulus enarrator (non ille antiquus sed paulo recentior ut videtur) deprehenditur: quippe ad explicanda illa τὰ εἴδη ταὐτὰ δεῖ ἔχειν τὴν ἐποποιίαν τῇ τραγῳδίᾳ posuit ἢ γὰρ ἁπλῆν ἢ πεπλεγμένην ἢ ἠθικὴν ἢ παθητι- κήν, secure respiciens nonnisi casum et genus nominis ἐποποιίαν, pro more eorum qui glossas adscribunt, non etiam structuram verborum et totius sententiae habitum. Aldus ad obscurandum sermonis vitium aut ipse aut alius corrector Italus δεῖ εἶναι apposuit, eaque coniectura cum ceteris editoribus, tum Bekkero placuit. καὶ γὰρ περιπετειῶν δεῖ καὶ ἀναγνωρίσεων καὶ παθημάτων: haec dicta sunt ut adprobarentur quae praecedunt, τὰ εἴδη ταὐτὰ δεῖ ἔχειν τὴν ἐποποιίαν. conf. c. 10 et 11 et supposita c. 18, 2. epitomator idemque interpolator propter festinationem nonnisi duas formas epopoeiae ( τὴν πεπλεγμένην et τὴν παθητικήν) nominare voluit, quibus statim in Homeri laudibus ex Aristotele transcribendis uteretur. item quattuor partium quae epico carmini cum tragoedia communes sunt ( μῦθος ἤθη διάνοια λέξις) duas postremas tantummodo nomine citavit in subsequentibus ἔτι τὰς διανοίας καὶ τὴν λέξιν ἔχειν καλῶς: haec enim pertinent ad illa καὶ τὰ μέρη ἔξω μελοποιίας καὶ ὄψεως ταὐτά, quamquam nonnisi mancam eorum explicationem exhibent. nonne manifesta epitomatoris vestigia agnoscis? cognosces etiam prius illud colon a nobis in adnotatione antecedente recentiori cuidam interpolatori tributum ab eo profectum esse qui totius loci rationem non perspexisset.